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ftlight
2007-02-06, 17:40
Apple CEO Steve Jobs on Feb. 6 called on the four major record companies
to start selling songs online without copy protection software known as
digital rights management.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,2090998,00.asp


Slim Devices' latest Squeezebox is extremely attractive,
super-customizable, and packed with features for streaming MP3s and
Internet radio to your stereo. Just don't expect easy-as-pie track
navigation.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2090929,00.asp


--
Bill Burns
Long Island NY USA
http://ftldesign.com

sleepysurf
2007-02-06, 20:00
Apple/Jobs comments on DRM are a welcome breath of fresh air! They have enough clout that record companies just *MIGHT* take notice. Now, us consumers, need to rise up and demand the same!

Steven Moore
2007-02-07, 02:33
I always thought that DRM was forced on Apple. In order to get the ipod/itms business of the ground they (Apple) had to agree to the record companies terms.
Maybe the record companies will see common sense get rid or DRM although it's doubtful.
Apple sells it's products on style and ease of use it doesn't need DRM to sell ipods and music.

peter
2007-02-07, 03:29
Steven Moore wrote:
> I always thought that DRM was forced on Apple. In order to get the
> ipod/itms business of the ground they (Apple) had to agree to the
> record companies terms.
> Maybe the record companies will see common sense get rid or DRM
> although it's doubtful.
> Apple sells it's products on style and ease of use it doesn't need DRM
> to sell ipods and music.
>

Come on, the reality is more complex. Yes, DRM is more or less forced on
Apple, but they in turn make good use of it by locking out the
competition. To preserve their cool image and appease customers that get
bitten by the DRM they pay lip service to 'unrestrictive music'. It's
highly doubtful that the record companies are going to listen anyway.

Apple are under attack from the mobile phone companies, the iPhone is a
*defensive* product. This is where their real worries lie. The
competition is getting better and better as new music phones by Nokia
and Sony-Ericsson show. In the end, people will prefer to carry one
device. Perhaps the iPhone will be a great success in the market, but I
personally wouldn't want to buy one. Then again, I don't have an iPod
either, so who cares...?

Regards,
Peter

Mark Lanctot
2007-02-07, 12:18
Slim Devices' latest Squeezebox is extremely attractive,
super-customizable, and packed with features for streaming MP3s and
Internet radio to your stereo. Just don't expect easy-as-pie track
navigation.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2090929,00.asp

Hmm, and not one word about how it sounds?

Also we get the "it doesn't do video" gripe again. It also doesn't make pancakes.

ftlight
2007-02-07, 13:16
Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Bill Burns;178428 Wrote:
>> Slim Devices' latest Squeezebox is extremely attractive,
>> super-customizable, and packed with features for streaming MP3s and
>> Internet radio to your stereo. Just don't expect easy-as-pie track
>> navigation.
>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2090929,00.asp
>
> Hmm, and not one word about how it sounds?
>
> Also we get the "it doesn't do video" gripe again. It also doesn't
> make pancakes.

*And* it no longer comes with a pony.

--
Bill Burns
Long Island NY USA
http://ftldesign.com

kdf
2007-02-07, 13:39
Quoting Mark Lanctot
<Mark.Lanctot.2lng3b1170876001 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:


> Also we get the "it doesn't do video" gripe again. It also doesn't
> make pancakes.

It's PC Magazine. I'd half expect them put "no internal floppy drive"
as a con when they get a new laptop to review.

But tracks CAN be tricky to navigate. It depends on a lot on your
library and tags. They praise the flexibility, but this is the number
one reason WHY it can be so complex to navigate. To have flexibility,
you have to have good data going in. WEre there resources, it would
be nice to be able to go out of box with a "basic" mode, restricted
formats and very tightly defined, core tag reading only. If the
greater variety is desired, then you get "advanced".

Then again, you'd never hear in in here whether or not that worked out
to be a good method.

-kdf

Ian Whalley
2007-02-08, 06:33
>>Slim Devices' latest Squeezebox is extremely attractive,
>>super-customizable, and packed with features for
>>streaming MP3s and Internet radio to your stereo. Just
>>don't expect easy-as-pie track navigation.
>>http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2090929,00.asp

"Spec Data
...
Supports MP3: false"

!

Best;

inw

audio53
2007-02-08, 09:32
Great review (NOT!)

Spec page says it does not support MP3 (NOT TRUE), yet the review says it is MP3 compatible (TRUE.)

The spec page and the first page of the review says you can stream Internet radio with your PC off (TRUE.) At the end of the review he says "the Squeezebox already comes preconfigured to connect to the SqueezeNetwork, letting you tune in and rock out using your PC." Didn't he just say you don't need the PC for Internet radio?

The author says "Unfortunately, although it can play unprotected AAC files, the device doesn't support AAC content downloaded from Apple's iTunes Music Store." He makes it sound like this is a Squeezebox deficiency. He should carify that this is a DRM issue outside of the Squeezebox's control. It also can't play DRM crippled WMA files for the same reason.

He says "Like many users, my digital audio collection, though of decent size (about 12GB worth), consists largely of low-quality (128 Kbps) MP3 and AAC files." Well, would it be too much to ask how it sounded other than to say he was "grooving in no time"? He never once talks about audio quality. And, do "many" of us actually use 128 Kbps MP3 files with our SB?

And yes the whole video thing. What don't people understand about that this is an AUDIO streaming device. Why would he even say " it stands to face stiff competition from new challengers such as Apple TV." An apples and oranges comparison, mister (pun intended.)

I also found it interesting that they don't provide a link to Slim's website under the Buy It Here banner. The company that is listed, Compuplus.com, says others sell this device for $366.99. Huh? Anybody know of a place selling the Squeezebox for that price? BTW, Compuplus.com is not listed on Slim's website as an authorized reseller.

I don't know Mr. Bennett's background, but I am not impressed with his writing. Another example of Internet journalism gone awry or people writing about that which they know nothing about. Ugh!

Bob

peter
2007-02-08, 11:51
audio53 wrote:
> And yes the whole video thing. What don't people understand about that
> this is an AUDIO streaming device. Why would he even say " it stands to
> face stiff competition from new challengers such as Apple TV." An apples
> and oranges comparison, mister (pun intended.)
>


The Apple TV device doesn't play music?
If it does, it's competition.

Regards,
Peter

audio53
2007-02-08, 13:34
audio53 wrote:[color=blue]


The Apple TV device doesn't play music?
If it does, it's competition.

Regards,
Peter

I think it's a fine line, Peter. The review was for an audio only device. I don't think there is any validity or reasoning to compare it to a "do it all" video and audio device and say it is competition. Two different markets are in play. Aside from that, I think it was a meaningless review.

Bob

peter
2007-02-08, 13:49
On Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:34:38 -0800, "audio53"
<audio53.2lpe8b1170966901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> Peter;178897 Wrote:
> > audio53 wrote:[color=blue]
> >
> >
> > The Apple TV device doesn't play music?
> > If it does, it's competition.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Peter
>
> I think it's a fine line, Peter. The review was for an audio only
> device. I don't think there is any validity or reasoning to compare it
> to a "do it all" video and audio device and say it is competition. Two
> different markets are in play. Aside from that, I think it was a
> meaningless review.

I agree with that, but I'm afraid an Apple branded box that does video
as well as audio would take customers away from SD, if only because it
probably will play DRM'ed music. ;) The review was shallow, even more
than usual.

Regards,
Peter