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juniper
2007-02-02, 14:03
Can anyone advise please?
My original plan was to buy wireless speakers to pick up sound from my PC. This was before my kids bought me the SB3 for my birthday - nice kids!.
My PC is in Room 1. My new (fantastic) SB3 is in Room 2. It is linked to my old stereo amplifier and speakers (also in room 2) and I am happy with the sound. I would also like to listen to "whatever" when I am working in the kitchen. How can my SB3 communicate with speakers in the Kitchen - room 3 or somewhere else room 4? I do not want to drag the SB3 + amplifier and speakers around the house every time I want to listen to "whatever" in a different room.

Any advice much appreciated before I make a stupid decision.

Rick B.
2007-02-02, 14:38
The SB3 won't communicate with your speakers - it's your amplifier that does that. If your SB3 is connected to this amplifier then you should be good to go.

juniper
2007-02-02, 14:44
I know I will sound v ignorant but how can I enable wireless speakers to communicate with my 10 year old stereo amplifier - now being fed by the SB3.

cshaida
2007-02-02, 14:48
Well, it depends on what you really want to be able to do. If you ever want to be able to play different music simultaneously in different rooms you need multplie SBs. Many of us have more than one. (I've got 4 in different parts of the house connected in various ways--through an 'old stereo', to powered speakers, one connected to a $20 amp which is connected to speakers).

But if all you really wanted to do was play the same music to speakers in a different room you could connect an a/b switch from your amp to the other speakers (wired or wirelessly). But as the previous poster says, that doesn't really have anything to do with the SB--that would all happen between the amp and the speakers.

Kyle
2007-02-02, 14:48
Wireless speakers have a transmitter that plugs into your audio-out connections and sends a signal to the speakers. I've never heard any that impressed me.

cshaida
2007-02-02, 14:59
Well again this is all happening between the amp and speakers rather than with the SB but you are either buying 'wireless speakers' or I think there is even a device that can make any speaker 'wireless' (http://www.x10.com/products/x10_vk59a.htm). In either case you would connect the amp to some sort of transmitter that would transmit to the speaker. No idea how well this works practically--ie, whether cordless phones, wireless networks, cell phones, microwaves interfere with the 'wireless' transmission?

Again though, none of that would let you play different music in different rooms. Your single SB is still only sending a single music stream to the amp.

If it helps at all you can get pretty decent quality powered speakers (speakers that have an amplifier built into them) for around $200/pair. SO...if you did actually want to be able to play different music simultaneously in different parts of the house you could accomplish that for less than $500/room (powered speakers+add'l SB).

Not sure you needed all that info but...

juniper
2007-02-02, 15:03
Thanks so far I am mulling over the input to date. I do not want to play diff music in diff rooms - just want to let the same music to follow me around in the house without a major upheaval of equipment. I thought a pair of wireless speakers being easily portable would achieve that.

cshaida
2007-02-02, 15:11
perhaps you will be the one to pioneer this as a solution(!) No reason why what you want to do won't work. There may be some logistical issues (I think wireless speakers generally need to be plugged in--but maybe there are battery powered ones out there) and there are very likely to be sound quality issues (but maybe that isn't that important?).

You do touch on what has been a widespread interest for a long time around here which is a SB 'boombox'. There are a number of threads that will get you up to speed on the (as yet unfulfilled) wish...

juniper
2007-02-02, 15:42
Thanks Cshaida. I really appreciate the interest and contributions over the past hour or so. I will look at the other threads and wherever else is worth looking. I must admit I thought that my need was not unusual, and was probably quite a key requirement for receiving internet audio information in a household. The idea of switching the audio feed from room to room as one moves around sounds quite appealing. The SB3 has enabled the first key step of enabling one to receive and control internet sourced audio at a distance from the PC.

What I think I like is the idea of the wireless router being the prime transmission coordinator, and the PC being nearly as much a peripheral as other equpment . I see this is achieved in Squeeze Networks which can run independent of the PC. Thus I would like the router to transmit signals to the SB3 and then onward via the amplifier to both local and wireless speakers.

CardinalFang
2007-02-02, 16:11
My PC is in Room 1. My new (fantastic) SB3 is in Room 2. It is linked to my old stereo amplifier and speakers (also in room 2) and I am happy with the sound. I would also like to listen to "whatever" when I am working in the kitchen. How can my SB3 communicate with speakers in the Kitchen - room 3 or somewhere else room 4? I do not want to drag the SB3 + amplifier and speakers around the house every time I want to listen to "whatever" in a different room.

It's a different type of wireless to what you are perhaps thinking, the SB uses 802.11g WiFi to communicate with the server, wireless speaker or headphones use other standards, like Bluetooth.

Why not get yourself a pair of wireless headphones, in fact I believe LogiTech do some that probably have enough range for you.

juniper
2007-02-02, 16:15
Following a lead from Cshaida I checked out the X10 web site www.x10.com - which looked interesting 'tho tacky and then checked user reviews in PC Mag. It is a long time since I read so many terrible reviews of a company and its products, software and support. Best to stay clear of that one - does anyone know of any other companies in this niche of the home automation business?

juniper
2007-02-02, 16:19
It is not often that I get to speak with a Cardinal! I have wondered about wireless headphones only thing is I do not want to isolate myself from other household sounds like kids arguing - well i do - but i am not allowed to.

aubuti
2007-02-02, 20:18
I thought about getting wireless speakers to transmit music from the audio system in the living room to the kitchen. But the reviews I read of various wireless speakers were all pretty negative: interference, static, difficulties tuning in to the transmitter on the hifi, etc. That, plus consideration of the hassle of having to go into the living room to change what was playing made the decision simple: get a separate SB for the kitchen, along with a pair of inexpensive powered (active) speakers.

Tell your kids they did such a great job with this birthday present that you want an advance on the next one!

juniper
2007-02-03, 00:20
Thanks Aubuti. Sadly extra SBs are out of the current budget. What I would really like to understand is how I could technically achieve this with wireless speakers. I have read that the Saitek A-250 is a reasonable wireless stereo speaker - possibly not at a quality that would appeal to Audiophiles but good enough in a busy household during the working day.

peter
2007-02-03, 07:23
juniper wrote:
> Thanks Aubuti. Sadly extra SBs are out of the current budget. What I
> would really like to understand is how I could technically achieve this
> with wireless speakers. I have read that the Saitek A-250 is a
> reasonable wireless stereo speaker - possibly not at a quality that
> would appeal to Audiophiles but good enough in a busy household during
> the working day.
>

I'm not an audiophile, but I would be surprised if this was an
acceptable solution. The sound quality will suffer greatly. I would only
use wired speakers myself. Please let us know if you're happy with the
results you achieve. I've already put a separate wireless SB3 in my
kitchen which works well, but I'm always open to alternatives.

Regards,
Peter

juniper
2007-02-03, 14:03
These two questions are probably so basic that I apologise. "but if you dont ask you will never know"

My 1 x SB3 is currently connected to my old stereo amplifier which feeds the speakers. Posters here have talked about having multiple SB3s (lucky them) - does this mean multiple amplifiers?

Q1. Must an SB3 be connected to an amplifier or can one connect an SB3 direct to speakers without a separate amplifier. If so disconnecting the SB3 in Room 2 and taking it to Room 3 and connecting it to the second set of speakers appears practical. Dragging other equipment around isn't.

Q2. Does the wireless bridge function of the SB3 help in any way with connecting additional speakers in other rooms?

jeffmeh
2007-02-03, 15:28
Yes, you need an amplifier to drive your speakers. The SB does not have an amplifier in it.

Michaelwagner
2007-02-03, 15:31
The SB3 has no amplifier (beyond the headphones amp). However, some wireless speakers take the headphone jack and use that. So it may be no amplifier is necessary.

I echo the sentiments about wireless speakers. They're low-fi. If that's all you want, great. We run them in one installation. But they hiss and pop and growl as people walk around the room. Luckily, in that setting, it's background noise to the people listening, not music.

aubuti
2007-02-03, 15:41
An SB needs to be connected to at least one of (a) an amplifier, (b) amplified speakers (aka powered or active speakers), or (c) headphones. Think of the SB like a CD player or tape deck in your stereo setup -- the output needs to be amplified to drive speakers.

So for Q1, the SB can be connected directly to speakers if, and only if, they are powered/active/amplified speakers. A simple example is the inexpensive "computer speakers" that are often connected to desktop computers. But there are also some very nice ones costing hundreds of dollars.

For Q2, the wireless bridge won't help with wireless speakers. It's used for extending your wireless home network to devices (eg, computers, game consoles) that support wired, but not wireless, networking.

peter
2007-02-04, 00:44
juniper wrote:
> These two questions are probably so basic that I apologise. "but if you
> dont ask you will never know"
>
> My 1 x SB3 is currently connected to my old stereo amplifier which
> feeds the speakers. Posters here have talked about having multiple SB3s
> (lucky them) - does this mean multiple amplifiers?
>

Yes. Most of my SB's use a very cheap but very good little amplifier
called the T-Amp. It looks as cheap as it is, so I have them hidden away.
http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html (available for around $30)

> Q1. Must an SB3 be connected to an amplifier or can one connect an SB3
> direct to speakers without a separate amplifier. If so disconnecting
> the SB3 in Room 2 and taking it to Room 3 and connecting it to the
> second set of speakers appears practical. Dragging other equipment
> around isn't.
>

They need amplifiers, but another option is to use active speakers that
have amplifiers built in. My living room setup uses those. A cheap
option is to buy so-called multimedia speakers that are meant to be
connect to PC's. They have amplifiers built in. Check out the Logitech
products:

http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/productlist/US/EN,crid=2171,categoryid=421

> Q2. Does the wireless bridge function of the SB3 help in any way with
> connecting additional speakers in other rooms?
>

Nope. Any wireless speakers that use wifi would be as expensive as a new
SB. BTW, have you considered picking up an older SB model
(SB1/SB2/SliMP3) second hand from Ebay? An SB1 can be picked up for <
$100 AFAIK.

Regards,
Peter

w4rren
2007-02-04, 02:48
This doesn’t really sound like the type of setup you’re after but… this is how I currently pipe music around the house (and car):

I already had an mp3 player (Creative Zen) and I convert my .flac to high-end .mp3 format for use with this. I just move this around the house with a set of cheap PC speakers (as suggested above). It works well, and the quality is fine for me as background music. The bonus with having the mp3 is being able to plug it into my car stereo. The only downside to this is converting the files, but to be honest it’s only right-click-and-go in foobar2000.

For serious listening, I have the decent amp / speakers / squeezebox and .flac files in the lounge. When money permits, I will try to buy up another Squeezebox, but for now this works for me.

juniper
2007-02-04, 04:39
I have just popped in to check the forum and I just want to say that I really appreciate the very useful advice that you have all given me. I will need a little time to digest etc. and when I get anywhere I will of course report back. In the meantime many thanks one and all.

Raptor
2008-03-04, 06:09
I know this thread is a year old but...I've got just the same requirement - SB3 connected to the hi-fi in the lounge and want to hear it in the kitchen/outside for BBQs.

juniper - did you find a satisfactory solution?

I also had a (wild?) thought - I've got Sennheiser RS 140 wireless headphones, would it be possible to use the transmitter base to connect to wireless speakers?