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glug
2007-01-17, 11:46
Anybody know if there's any truth to this?

http://ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/report-apple-to-open-up-fairplay-drm-to-accessory-makers/

It would be nice to play my itune purchases

tomjtx
2007-01-17, 11:53
Will Slim try to be one of the companies allowed to access fairplay?

andyg
2007-01-17, 12:02
I think you should take this with the big grain of salt most Apple rumors require.

tomjtx
2007-01-17, 12:07
2 of my fantasies:

Itunes ALAC dowloads

No DRM on ALAC downloads

As they say in Spain " De ilusion tan bien se vive"

" how well one lives with illusion"

schalliol
2007-01-17, 12:10
I agree I don't think this is likely...at least in a big way. I would however love to have the ability to use the few files I bought from them on my Squeezebox. I would buy more if I could use them on it.

Mark Lanctot
2007-01-17, 12:28
Why would Apple do this for Slim/Logitech? I bet iTunes tracks play really well on AppleTV, why would they allow the Squeezebox to compete with them? That certainly doesn't sound like Apple...

kdf
2007-01-17, 12:34
key thing:
"...to licensed iPod accessory makers"

so, who thinks squeezebox is an ipod accessory?

Why not wait until it's not a rumour to start stretching the reality.

-k

cliveb
2007-01-17, 12:54
I would however love to have the ability to use the few files I bought from them on my Squeezebox. I would buy more if I could use them on it.
Burn them to an audio format CDR (or CDRW if you don't want to waste blanks) - the licensing allows you to do this. Then rip them back in whatever non-DRM'd format you like. A bit of a pain, but it's do-able.

seanadams
2007-01-17, 13:05
key thing:
"...to licensed iPod accessory makers"


Not to get anyone's hope up, but we are already a licensed iPod accessory maker: http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/products/details/US/EN/,crid=2414,contentid=10785

However, the rumor makes no sense. Why would an iPod _accessory_ need to decode FairPlay?

snarlydwarf
2007-01-17, 13:09
Burn them to an audio format CDR (or CDRW if you don't want to waste blanks) - the licensing allows you to do this. Then rip them back in whatever non-DRM'd format you like. A bit of a pain, but it's do-able.

You mean "rip them back in whatever lossless non-DRM'd format you like or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of a 128k"

seanadams
2007-01-17, 13:11
Also, TFA suggests that licensed devices might soon be able to access song title and artist info through the docking connector... but they can already do that! (TuneView does it, for example)

tomjtx
2007-01-17, 13:21
You mean "rip them back in whatever lossless non-DRM'd format you like or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of a 128k"

OK, I'm confused ( as usual).
If you burn a 128 aac to disc and re-import at 128aac it's still 128, right? So it's still the same (bad) quality but at least not inferior to the original download.

Or am I missing something?

Robin Bowes
2007-01-17, 13:31
tomjtx wrote:
> snarlydwarf;171267 Wrote:
>> You mean "rip them back in whatever *lossless* non-DRM'd format you like
>> or you will further diminish the sound quality, converting that 128k AAC
>> into the equivalent of a 96k or lower but still taking the disc space of
>> a 128k"
>
> OK, I'm confused ( as usual).
> If you burn a 128 aac to disc and re-import at 128aac it's still 128,
> right? So it's still the same (bad) quality but at least not inferior
> to the original download.

It's 2nd generation 128.

You're encoding it twice with the resulting additional degradation of
the sound.

Analogy: record a CD to cassette, then record the cassette onto another
cassette. The same principle applies.

R.

tomjtx
2007-01-17, 13:41
Thanks for clearing that up , Robin.

So if it's re-imported ALAC or FLAC the sound is not degraded but you are using FLAC size file for 128 sound quality?

What a rip, so to speak.

autopilot
2007-01-18, 03:34
Or a better solution would be; don't buy your music from i-tunes.

schalliol
2007-01-18, 05:13
Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway. Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not.

egd
2007-01-18, 08:00
Or a better solution would be; don't buy your music from i-tunes.

Agreed. Forgive me, but I fail to see why people buy DRM audio and then bitch about it later. Best thing to do is avoid it in the first place.

tomjtx
2007-01-18, 08:15
Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway. Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not.

I never have bought music from Itunes because of the bad quality and DRM.
But my son gets itunes gift certificates and sometimes buys from them, so it would be nice to be able to stream that as well.

He is weaning homself from itunes now that he understands the DRM and quality issue.

sc53
2007-01-18, 08:38
I bought some "singles" from iTunes when I first got my iPod a couple of years ago, just to use in the gym, but now that I have my Main Squeeze I am not buying any more low bitrate, DRM music from iTunes.

SteveEast
2007-01-18, 09:18
You can use QTFairUse6 to remove the DRM from iTunes music without any further degradation in quality.

http://www.hymn-project.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1553

Steve.

peter
2007-01-19, 00:18
tomjtx wrote:
> schalliol;171491 Wrote:
>
>> Agreed that you could do the burn and re-rip, but the quality would
>> suffer. Personally, I'm not going below lossless these days anyway.
>> Apple's lossless works great and usually runs around 800kbps. Storage
>> is cheap, suffering through low-quality music is not.
>>
>
> I never have bought music from Itunes because of the bad quality and
> DRM.
> But my son gets itunes gift certificates and sometimes buys from them,
> so it would be nice to be able to stream that as well.
>
> IHe is weaning homself from itunes now that he understands the DRM and
> quality issue.
>

Well, I figure he got the listening rights to the tunes legally, so
what's to stop you from firing up edonkey and downloading the flac version?

Regards,
Peter

schalliol
2007-01-19, 05:15
I guess I'm just waiting for a download service that will allow me to grab CD quality (or hopefully better) sound and use it on my Squeezebox, Macs, and iPods. Until then, I'll be buying CDs and ripping them in ALC.