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Phillip Kerman
2003-12-22, 22:34
It seems that this question has more to do with the compression tools and
the nature of the music being compressed--but I'm curious what data rate
most people use for their MP3s:
128, 192 etc.



Thanks,
Phillip

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_H=FCbner?=
2003-12-23, 01:08
Phillip Kerman wrote:
> It seems that this question has more to do with the compression tools and
> the nature of the music being compressed--but I'm curious what data rate
> most people use for their MP3s:
> 128, 192 etc.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Phillip

I started out with 128 went up to 192 realised that I had no problems
with HD-space and settled for 256. But - the only rational is the more
the better sound - however it may be subject to change if someone gives
good reasons :-)

/Johan

Roy M. Silvernail
2003-12-23, 04:22
On Tuesday 23 December 2003 00:34, Phillip Kerman wrote:
> I'm curious what data rate most people use for their MP3s:
> 128, 192 etc.

Initially 192. Then I re-ripped at 256 because I also was not hurting for
disk space. But I'm planning on one more rip trip at lame's '--alt-preset
extreme' after testing the VBR results. (still need to check VBR in the
in-dash player, though)

rpgoldman@real-time.com
2003-12-23, 08:56
>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Holtzapple <jasonholtzapple (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:

Jason> lame 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard (or --alt-preset
Jason> extreme for the occasional album of electronic music
Jason> that needs extra bits for high frequencies).

Jason> This is a high-quality VBR preset that averages
Jason> about 192 Kbps for most music.

--alt-preset?

At least in my copy of lame (3.93), it's just --preset....

R

Roy M. Silvernail
2003-12-23, 09:08
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 09:56:50AM -0600, rpgoldman (AT) real-time (DOT) com wrote:
> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Holtzapple <jasonholtzapple (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:
>
> Jason> lame 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard (or --alt-preset
> Jason> extreme for the occasional album of electronic music
> Jason> that needs extra bits for high frequencies).
>
> Jason> This is a high-quality VBR preset that averages
> Jason> about 192 Kbps for most music.
>
> --alt-preset?
>
> At least in my copy of lame (3.93), it's just --preset....

Try 'lame --alt-preset help'.
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Robert P. Goldman
2003-12-23, 11:47
>>>>> "Roy" == Roy M Silvernail <roy (AT) rant-central (DOT) com> writes:

Roy> On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 09:56:50AM -0600, rpgoldman (AT) real-time (DOT) com wrote:
>> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Holtzapple <jasonholtzapple (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> writes:
>>
Jason> lame 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard (or --alt-preset
Jason> extreme for the occasional album of electronic music
Jason> that needs extra bits for high frequencies).
>>
Jason> This is a high-quality VBR preset that averages
Jason> about 192 Kbps for most music.
>>
>> --alt-preset?
>>
>> At least in my copy of lame (3.93), it's just --preset....

Roy> Try 'lame --alt-preset help'.

I did, but all I see is explanation about --preset. Is --alt-preset
just a synonym for --preset ?

R

Caleb Epstein
2003-12-23, 12:01
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 10:52:38AM -0800, Jason Holtzapple wrote:

> Well yes and no. The --alt-presets in 3.90.x were tested with
> double-blind listening tests for the best possible sound. The
> presets in later versions of lame are based on these but haven't
> been subjected to the same rigorous testing. As always when it comes
> to these sort of subjective comparisons, let your ears be the judge.

From "man lame" on my system (for LAME 3.93.1):

--alt-preset [fast] type | [cbr] kbps
Use one of the built-in presets.

This option is deprecated and offers the same as the --preset
option above. Do not use it anymore, it will go away in a later
version.

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Caleb Epstein
2003-12-23, 12:36
On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 11:27:00AM -0800, Jason Holtzapple wrote:

> lame 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard and lame 3.93.1 --preset standard
> result in different mp3s on my system, and not just in the LAME
> header! There may or may not be audible differences, but they are not

Apples != oranges.

What about 3.93.1 --alt-preset standard compared to the same
version's --preset standard? Presumably they have tweaked the
encoding algorithm between the different releases.

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Jack Coates
2003-12-23, 12:51
On Tue, 2003-12-23 at 11:36, Caleb Epstein wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 23, 2003 at 11:27:00AM -0800, Jason Holtzapple wrote:
>
> > lame 3.90.3 --alt-preset standard and lame 3.93.1 --preset standard
> > result in different mp3s on my system, and not just in the LAME
> > header! There may or may not be audible differences, but they are not
>
> Apples != oranges.
>

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