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roll - gybe
2006-12-26, 09:25
Hey, so here what my future setup will look like when complete.

Arcam amp; squeezebox: hidden windows pc as server; laptop. (plans for amp/sb3 in a second room as well.)

I would really like to run the whole setup from a device that is more handheld in nature, as opposed to the laptop. When I get this project done, I'll have enough gear to set up a second squeezebox in another room.

I would like to be able to browse slimserver with a handheld. I can't really see myself putting my laptop on my nightstand, and I don't want to sit around with it on my couch all the time.

The PSP looks like a convenient way to go. It seems like the joystick could be a good way to navigate. I read some comments about how just getting for the SB isn't a great idea. Why is that? I have a Pronto at work and it really sucks for me. I'm not a big touch-screen fan.

Do any of the Harmony or Universal remotes allow you to browse slimserver? Is there a good pocket pc alternative.

Would any of these alternatives let me carry the remote into the other room to drive a second SB?

What else should I be asking?

Without any feedback, I think a good setup would be a Universal mx500 for my AV setup and a PSP to browse slimserver.

tyler_durden
2006-12-26, 14:31
I have used my wifes Palm TX to control slimserver. It works OK, but the browser doesn't cache, so page switching is pretty slow. Otherwise, it works great.

Everyone needs a PDA, even if they think they don't.

TD

stinkingpig
2006-12-26, 15:22
....
PDAs suck even worse than computers, which suck pretty badly. The idea
of having to manage my remote control, put it on a charging cradle
when it's not in use, or wait for it to reload a web page fills me
with shuddering horror.

I've monkeyed around with the various options on an ipaq 4150 that I
have, trying to find some way to make the little PoS useful, but
instead it continues to gather dust on top of the bookshelf.
SlimRemote, TelCanto, Handheld skin, Nokia 770 skin, all of them made
me want to throw the little device away as soon as the "oh, that's
kind of nifty" feeling of getting it to work was gone.

The Squeezebox comes with a delightfully functional little remote that
is interchangeable throughout the house. For night stand use, I'd
upgrade to the lighted button remote. If you'd like something with
lots more buttons for controlling more things, the Harmony line seems
to make sense, though in my opinion the whole concept of a universal
remote is deeply flawed.

--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

roll - gybe
2006-12-26, 18:36
ok, that's good advice. kinda lame, but good to know. seems like the 770 works pretty well. a bit bigger than i would like...

azinck3
2006-12-26, 21:15
ok, that's good advice. kinda lame, but good to know. seems like the 770 works pretty well. a bit bigger than i would like...

I'm 100% with stinkingpig on this one. I have a nokia770. It's fun for the "wow" factor. But when it comes time to actually use the thing, I reach for the IR remote every time. It's really superior to all the other control methods, in my estimation (particularly if you're familiar with what's in your catalog).

bklaas
2006-12-27, 08:21
I'm 100% with stinkingpig on this one. I have a nokia770. It's fun for the "wow" factor. But when it comes time to actually use the thing, I reach for the IR remote every time. It's really superior to all the other control methods, in my estimation (particularly if you're familiar with what's in your catalog).

I wrote the Nokia770 slimserver skin code and I'm pretty proud of how it's turned out thus far but, believe it or not, I'm in complete agreement with the previous posters. Slim's IR remote is what I use to control my squeezeboxen about 99% of the time. Works great, it's responsive, does the job. Managing playlists and viewing cover art are the drawbacks of the IR remote, but those drawbacks don't outweigh the ease of use provided by the IR remote. Price tag is nice, too.

I see the UI endgame for me being a GUI, always-connected, touchscreen that sits close to (or is part of) the squeezebox, handles cover art, visually manages playlists, is silent, and is not as obtrusive as a full-size LCD. That product doesn't really exist right now (aside from the $12K Sooloos money pit), which is what drew me to start working on the Nokia 770. The 770 should be considered a first-generation device (even first in its class), and while loaded with "wow", it's not ideal as a slimserver controller. I will say, however, that the device drove some new thinking into slimserver skins, particularly with using AJAX for a more responsive user experience. That bodes well for the future.

I'd also like a knob on the squeezebox, but of course I've said that before...

cheers,
#!/ben

Paul_B
2006-12-27, 11:10
Ben,

I am sure I have asked this before but for the others as well, is the Ajax code of the Nokia skin in the 7.0 trunk only or is it in the 6.5.1 nightly as well?

tommypeters
2006-12-28, 05:27
I wonder how the "Archos 604 WIFI 30GB" would compare to a Nokia 770? The Archos would be useful as a mobile media player (and as a DVR with the DVR addon) and its use as a SB remote would only be secondary - but I wonder how the processor, responsiveness and the 4,3" 480*272 screen would compare to the Nokia...? Seems much more useful for me, except for the much lower resolution (Nokia has 800*480)

(the WIFI model is a new version of the Archos 604)

http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_604wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

bfg58simon
2006-12-28, 05:28
wonder how the "Archos 604 WIFI 30GB" would compare to a Nokia 770? The Archos would be useful as a mobile media player (and as a DVR with the DVR addon) and its use as a SB remote would only be secondary - but I wonder how the processor, responsiveness and the 4,3" 480*272 screen would compare to the Nokia...? Seems much more useful for me, except for the much lower resolution (Nokia has 800*480)

Co-incidentally I was just about to post the same comment!

tommypeters
2006-12-28, 05:31
It looks like you did! :)

slimpy
2006-12-28, 06:25
Ben,

I am sure I have asked this before but for the others as well, is the Ajax code of the Nokia skin in the 7.0 trunk only or is it in the 6.5.1 nightly as well?
already in 6.5.0

-s.

hunta
2006-12-28, 07:10
I wonder how the "Archos 604 WIFI 30GB" would compare to a Nokia 770? The Archos would be useful as a mobile media player (and as a DVR with the DVR addon) and its use as a SB remote would only be secondary - but I wonder how the processor, responsiveness and the 4,3" 480*272 screen would compare to the Nokia...? Seems much more useful for me, except for the much lower resolution (Nokia has 800*480)

(the WIFI model is a new version of the Archos 604)

http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_604wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

I'd be really interested to hear from anyone who's tried one of these. It looks like a great travel companion for taking tunes along and backing up digital photos - if it could be used properly as a wifi remote too that would be the dogs'!

thesil
2006-12-29, 13:13
I downloaded clicker to my Palm and it just does not make sense. It may be a cool thing to do, but the slimserver remote is the best;no recharging needed and no programs to scroll through.

little_scrote
2007-01-15, 09:10
I wonder how the "Archos 604 WIFI 30GB" would compare to a Nokia 770? The Archos would be useful as a mobile media player (and as a DVR with the DVR addon) and its use as a SB remote would only be secondary - but I wonder how the processor, responsiveness and the 4,3" 480*272 screen would compare to the Nokia...? Seems much more useful for me, except for the much lower resolution (Nokia has 800*480)

(the WIFI model is a new version of the Archos 604)

http://www.archos.com/products/video/archos_604wifi/index.html?country=global&lang=en

hi. i'm new to the forum.

my squeezebox arrived from amazon this afternoon, so haven't set it up yet.

i also bought an archos 604 wifi last week that i've set up on a wireless network at home. browsing t'internet is pretty difficult on the small screen, but is ok when in the docking station (will be better when i get round to buying a 32" tv!)

i'll report back on how well it works as a remote in a couple of days hopefully - if i can get it all up and running.

what i also wanted to ask (but maybe a separate thread would be a better place to do so?) is, can i setup a playlist so that both squeezebox (in my kitchen) and archos (in my lounge) can play the same tracks at the same time (for a party)?

thanks, and hope to get to know you a bit better as time goes on.
cheeRS,
nick

mherger
2007-01-15, 09:25
> i'll report back on how well it works as a remote in a couple of days
> hopefully - if i can get it all up and running.

Try http://yourserver:9000/Handheld for a skin optimised for small
screens. Though it features Opera I doubt it will like Touch...

> what i also wanted to ask (but maybe a separate thread would be a
> better place to do so?)

You're right. But I'll answer anyway :-)

> is, can i setup a playlist so that both
> squeezebox (in my kitchen) and archos (in my lounge) can play the same
> tracks at the same time (for a party)?

Syncing is only possible between SD hardware players and less reliable
with the Softsqueeze.

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Michael

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little_scrote
2007-01-15, 09:35
thanks for the reply michael

will try that skin and report back on how it cooperates with the archos and touch screen

i thought that might be the case with syncing. if it's a deliberate tactic by slimdevices to make me buy another squeezebox, it might not work ;-)

mherger
2007-01-15, 10:28
> i thought that might be the case with syncing. if it's a deliberate
> tactic by slimdevices to make me buy another squeezebox,

It's not. There's a technical reason: slimserver can't control other
player's buffering.

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little_scrote
2007-01-15, 13:35
well, that was all pretty easy. after looking at all the help resources and forum etc, i expected to have more difficulty than i did in setting the squeezebox up. i csn very happily say that it was a completely painless experience and i love it.

the user interface is so simple and intuitive, it's superb.

the only things i don't like are that the power supply cable intereferes with my DAB aerial (easily moved), and that the squezzebox does not have a detachable foot and slots for wall wall mounting.

getting back on topic, i tried this with my archos 604 wifi, but no success :-(


> i'll report back on how well it works as a remote in a couple of days
> hopefully - if i can get it all up and running.

Try http://yourserver:9000/Handheld for a skin optimised for small
screens. Though it features Opera I doubt it will like Touch...
[color=blue]

Michael

i can defintely connect to the network with the archos and browse a shared drive on my server pc (called upstairspc), and i can connect to the slimserver on my laptop on the same wireless network using address http://upstairspc:9000/(with or without handheld/ for the different skins).

but with the archos, it's a case of "computer says no". it says "the address is not available from this machine". any ideas what i'm doing wrong please?

mherger
2007-01-15, 14:01
> getting back on topic, i tried this with my archos 604 wifi, but no
> success :-(

How did you fail? Error message?

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Michael

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little_scrote
2007-01-15, 14:08
> getting back on topic, i tried this with my archos 604 wifi, but no
> success :-(

How did you fail? Error message?

--

Michael

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it says "the address is not available from this machine".

????????????????????

mherger
2007-01-15, 14:21
>> it says "the address is not available from this machine".

DNS problem? Try to open http://123.123.123.123:9000/Handheld where you
replace 123.123.123.123 by your server's actual IP address.

--

Michael

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http://www.herger.net/slim - AlbumReview, Biography, MusicInfoSCR

little_scrote
2007-01-15, 14:37
you're a genius. thank you very much :-D

can now use my archos 604 wifi as a remote control. will have a play over the next few days and post back up to say how i've got on.

in my very limited playig so far, i would say that it's hard to beat the original remote though

tommypeters
2007-02-04, 04:22
When you know what to look for, the original remote is the best. But when you don't, it's nice to be able to browse "mindlessly" among the cover art. Seldom-played CD's are difficult to remember by name, but when you see the cover you often either *feel* "like it" or "don't like it".

What's interesting is that Archos will present a new model in March, better suited for SlimServer browsing. Wifi, 7" screen, 800*600 resolution.

tyler_durden
2007-02-04, 08:42
Check my Fujitsu Stylistic 3500 tablet PC set up as a remote here: http://mark.rehorst.com/Audio_System/index.htm
I've been using it for a couple weeks now and it rocks!

The tablet runs win2k and I use firefox to access slimserver via wireless network card.

ST3500s go for about $200-250 on ebay.

I did some testing and it plays video very smoothly so it will be good to keep my son entertained during long car trips. It is also great for reading ebooks.

TD

Mark Lanctot
2007-02-04, 10:37
I'm curious why the OP doesn't want the Nokia 770.

What's wrong with it? Would the new N800 be any better?

bklaas
2007-02-05, 07:47
Check my Fujitsu Stylistic 3500 tablet PC set up as a remote here: http://mark.rehorst.com/Audio_System/index.htm
I've been using it for a couple weeks now and it rocks!


Tyler-- looks really cool. How much noise does it produce?
cheers,
#!/ben

tyler_durden
2007-02-05, 21:00
It is quieter than my wife's Sony Vaio laptop. If there is music playing, or if the refrigerator is running, the small noise it makes is drowned out completely. I am usually using it to control slimserver for a few minutes at a time while I select music, then I put it to sleep (unless I am reading a book on it). In sleep mode it is completely silent.

I will be replacing the HDD this week - going from 5.1 GB with 512k buffer to 80GB with 8 MB buffer. It is sort of silly to put so much storage in that machine, but it is hard to find an HDD smaller than about 40 GB anymore unless you get a refurb or used drive, then it costs as much as a new, larger capacity drive.

I'm getting a Seagate Momentus drive which is supposed to be very quiet and very low power but also pretty fast (5 year warranty, too!). You can get a 60 GB 5400 rpm 2nd generation drive for $60 or pay $65 and get 80 GB 5400 rpm 3rd generation drive. Computer economics are strange. I ordered from newegg.

It should arrive tomorrow or Wednesday, then I have to figure out how to install the OS on it without a FDD, CDROM, or network connection on the tablet. I will be updating my web site with the exact procedure once I figure it out.

TD

tommypeters
2007-02-06, 03:37
Move your old HDD to a PC, back it up, move the stuff to the new HDD and put in your tablet PC...

thepainter
2007-02-06, 12:25
I don't think it's quite that easy, but as soon as Tyler does it let us know. I too got a Fujitsu tablet the 3400 (ebay $150). I saw someone who skinned his bezel so I tried with a Mohogany veneer (my first try). I then got into Netremote which controls my AV system via tcp/ip. If I can figure out how to attach the pics I will.....here goes

thepainter
2007-02-06, 12:44
I should say I borrowed "MOE'S" netremote skin and am in the progress of customizing it to my needs, for instance I don't have SAGETV or an LD but I need to change those, but MOE is a Photoshop expert and changing the buttons are a little more difficult for me, so moe if you are a squeezebox owner and happen to see this thanks for a great skin but I need help with the buttons :). Also I was a little vague regarding the OS but I actually wanted to do something similar and just transfering the OS to the HD won't do it (googled it and it was way more in depth). Has something to do with the Digitizer and I believe the OS on it is a special tablet version. I have or mine came with Win 2000.

Paul

FLMike
2007-02-06, 13:17
Just curious if the Tablet PC is where you are storing your library and if it is wireless? I've actually considered the tablet PC option--It really is a great happy medium between a PDA and a laptop. I like the SB remote fine....most of the time. It really is one of the most intutive remotes I have ever used. But what I also want is to leave the Slimserver PC wired to the internet, in another room, continue to use it to serve music to the SB3, but use the tablet for browsing and control functions via wireless. This is especially true as Squeezenetwork becomes more rich, with more options to browse. Any ideas as to how to accomplish that?

Mike

thepainter
2007-02-06, 13:57
Actually I use a mac mini for my server both audio and video. The tablet I have max's out on RAM at I believe 256 and the HD is a 4G. I have it running wirelessly with a PCMCIA adapter. I suppose if you wanted you could have a NAS drive with huge HD for the storage and the tablet with the slimserver.You can also get a cradle for the tablet which has USB, Serial, Ethernet etc

gweempose
2007-02-06, 22:20
My friend has one of these (http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcategory/notebooks/ux-series). He uses it to trade commodities on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade. Would something like this be well suited for controlling a Squeezebox?

tyler_durden
2007-02-06, 22:54
My friend has one of these (http://b2b.sony.com/Solutions/subcategory/notebooks/ux-series). He uses it to trade commodities on the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade. Would something like this be well suited for controlling a Squeezebox?

It should work, however, the screen is small so cover art and text would probably shrink to unacceptably small sizes. The ST3400/3500 tablets have 10.4", 800x600 screens giving good size to cover art, control buttons (touch screen), and text.

My tablet is used for control and book reading. It is a little quieter than a laptop, but still makes a little noise and the whole reason to use the SB over a laptop or desktop PC is to get the noise out of the listening space. I typically just select a bunch of music then put the tablet to sleep. Sometimes I read ebooks, or browse the web for lyrics when I hear something interesting that I can't quite understand ("rockin' the cat box!"). If you tried to store music on the tablet it would have to be powered all the time which means power cord plugged in otherwise the battery would die in a couple hours.

The tablet provides a much better user interface to internet radio than the IR remote. You can see directories of the stations by location, genre, network, etc.

My 80 GB HDD should arrive tomorrow, so I'll start working on the install. Once I have the whole prcedure worked out I'll post it on my web page.

TD

tommypeters
2007-02-07, 04:50
It should work, however, the screen is small so cover art and text would probably shrink to unacceptably small sizes. The ST3400/3500 tablets have 10.4", 800x600 screens giving good size to cover art, control buttons (touch screen), and text.
Yes, I think a 4,5" screen is on the border of being too small to make it useful - the sole reason the replace the original remote for me is to be able to browse cover art. Since the resolution of the Sony Vaio UX however is a very decent 1024*600 it depends on your eye-sight.

12" 1024*768 is Great (for this usage), 10.4" 800*600 is Very Good, I believe the 7" 800*600 (as the coming Arhos I reported on above) is the minimum for being rated "Good" by me, the Nokia 770/800 4.1" 800*480 the limit for being "Usable" (meaning as good as the included remote). The current Archos 604 Wi-Fi with 4,3" 480*272 is too small for me to use it instead of the original remote.

For the small-screen, low-resolution devices (800*600 and less), I'm assuming a special skin like the Nokia 770 skin - otherwise it wouldn't be "Good".

FLMike
2007-02-07, 07:49
Tyler,
It really sounds as if you are doing almost exactly what I want to achieve, but I am still having a hard time understanding how your network is put together and exactly where the applications are being run. If I understand correctly from what you are saying, your music is stored remotely (on another device) but you are utilizing the Tablet PC to run Slimserver and to browse Internet radio/control the SB via wireless? How? Is the Interente radio streamed via the tablet, or via the other server where your music is stored? And how is the music storage device connected to the Internet and to the SB?

Mike

tommypeters
2007-02-07, 07:54
No, he doesn't run SlimServer on the Tablet PC - he says it's just used for control (open web browser, give the URL to the SlimServer on the server PC, browse and add songs to the playlist, turn off tablet PC and listen to music)

FLMike
2007-02-07, 09:08
Thanks for the reply. I think I finally get it. Basically remote control of SLIM Server. Everything--music, Internet connection, SLIM Server application-- stays on the server, but you get the benefit of a more robust GUI, album art, etc. without use of a remote control application. Just browse to a URL. I've wanted to do this for a while, but I was not aware that you could acually run SLIM Server this way. Are any changes to SLIM config necessary to allow this? And what would the URL be?

bklaas
2007-02-07, 09:20
Thanks for the reply. I think I finally get it. Basically remote control of SLIM Server. Everything--music, Internet connection, SLIM Server application-- stays on the server, but you get the benefit of a more robust GUI, album art, etc. without use of a remote control application. Just browse to a URL. I've wanted to do this for a while, but I was not aware that you could acually run SLIM Server this way. Are any changes to SLIM config necessary to allow this? And what would the URL be?

find out what the IP address of your slimserver is. If you were accessing the web UI from your slimserver PC with this:

http://localhost:9000

replace the word 'localhost' with the ip address. for example, if your slimserver PC's IP address were 192.168.1.2, the URL for the web GUI would be:

http://192.168.1.2:9000

anything with a web browser (desktop PC, laptop, tablet, nokia 770/800, pepperPad, PDA, iPhone, etc.) that has network connectivity to the slimserver PC can access the web UI. Some of those devices have crappier web browsers than others, so your mileage may vary, but that's another story.

cheers,
#!/ben

Rick B.
2007-02-07, 12:33
I'm hoping that Logitech, now that they own both Harmony Remotes ans Slim Devices, will put out a new Harmony Remote with a big screen on it that is fully compatible with the Squeezebox and slimserver.

325xi
2007-02-07, 14:46
I was wondering why noone mentioned Harmony? :)

Really, I'm considering getting 880 - are they that bad so noone uses it? It has all the codes for SB, so what better compatibility can we talk about?

tommypeters
2007-02-07, 15:10
I was wondering why noone mentioned Harmony? :)

Really, I'm considering getting 880 - are they that bad so noone uses it? It has all the codes for SB, so what better compatibility can we talk about?
We don't mention Harmony because it's not usable for what we want. You can't browse album art on it, or ues the screen for any other presentation of SlimServer info, since it has no wi-fi capability.

tyler_durden
2007-02-07, 22:41
Thanks for the reply. I think I finally get it. Basically remote control of SLIM Server. Everything--music, Internet connection, SLIM Server application-- stays on the server, but you get the benefit of a more robust GUI, album art, etc. without use of a remote control application. Just browse to a URL. I've wanted to do this for a while, but I was not aware that you could acually run SLIM Server this way. Are any changes to SLIM config necessary to allow this? And what would the URL be?

As you have now figured out, I am merely using the wireless connection between the tablet and Slimserver to control slimserver via its own web interface. The ST3500 tablet is just a small PC with a wireless network connection running a web browser. The only thing that needs to be done to the server is to select the "touch-screen" skin in the "interface" page of the "server settings" page group.

The URL is just the URL of the machine running slimserver followed by a ":9000".

TD

325xi
2007-02-08, 08:17
We don't mention Harmony because it's not usable for what we want. You can't browse album art on it, or ues the screen for any other presentation of SlimServer info, since it has no wi-fi capability.

Interesting, quite a few people here mentioned that most of the time they're satisfied with the remote coming with SB...

Large screen is nice, but I remember many people complain that even tiny LED on my amp, being a bit too bright, may present a distraction from listening. Because of that displays on all my rig are off after few seconds of last change. I can imagine what could be said about constantly glowing 10" screen...

tyler_durden
2007-02-08, 08:24
I can imagine what could be said about constantly glowing 10" screen...

The screen is off except when I am selecting music or reading a book on it. The unit is battery powered so it is impractical to leave the screen on constantly unless you want to be dragging the charger cable along with it.

TD

tommypeters
2007-02-08, 12:42
Interesting, quite a few people here mentioned that most of the time they're satisfied with the remote coming with SB...
Yes, when you know what to look for the original remote is good (for anything but "mindless browsing"). For anything to be significantly better you need it to support cover art browsing (meaning wi-fi + large enough screen).

Ur[s]uS
2007-02-12, 06:36
I was wondering why noone mentioned Harmony? :)

Really, I'm considering getting 880 - are they that bad so noone uses it? It has all the codes for SB, so what better compatibility can we talk about?

harmony 885 works a treat with all of my tv, amp, stb, htpc and sb3
but am still interested in wifi options to show cover art etc. and random browsing of music collection

tyler_durden
2007-02-12, 20:07
I have installed a new 80GB HDD in my ST3500 and it is very quiet. Previously I said the machine made a little less noise than my wife's Sony Vaio laptop. Now it is much quieter, but the disk is a higher speed (5400 rpm 8 MB cache vs 4500 rpm 512k cache) so performance is better. It is now so quiet I have to put my ear right up to it to hear it running. The new drive is a Seagate ST980815A. Got it here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148128

I tried Opera but found that it doesn't display the Slimserver control pages very well. Back to Firefox for now...

TD

thepainter
2007-02-12, 22:00
So TD when are you going to put up the "How-to". I'm looking to do the same.

Thanks

azinck3
2007-02-12, 22:03
I tried Opera but found that it doesn't display the Slimserver control pages very well. Back to Firefox for now...

TD

Opera will work well with the Nokia770 skin

tyler_durden
2007-02-12, 22:31
So TD when are you going to put up the "How-to". I'm looking to do the same.
Thanks

Here's the summary:
You need a PC with a FDD and CDROM drive, a 3.5" to 2.5" HDD cable converter, a floppy disk, and a USB hub, keyboard, and mouse to connect to the tablet during installation.

1) DL a win98 boot disk image from bootdisk.com and make a disk.
2) Install the HDD in the PC using the cable adapter.
3) Boot the PC using the win98 boot floppy.
4) Use fdisk to partition the HDD. Format it (it will be FAT32).
5) Copy system files from the boot floppy to the HDD using the sys command. The HDD will now be bootable.
6) Take out the boot floppy and reboot the PC to its normal operating system. You should be able to see your newly partitioned and formatted HDD in the "my computer" window.
7) Put the Win2K install CD into the CDROM drive and copy the i386 directory to the new HDD. Copy all the Fujitsu tablet specific driver files to the HDD as well.
8) Shut down the PC, remove the new HDD, and install it in the tablet.
9) Boot the tablet. Run C:\i386\\winnt.exe and win2K will install itself. If you want to watch DVDs on the tablet, convert to NTFS because it has bigger file size limits than FAT32.

After that you load the drivers.

I'll post details on my web page in the next day or two.

TD

Smiley Dan
2007-02-13, 01:37
I get the feeling that problems with the 770 skin are more to do with the skinning framework than the device. The device itself can be made to do some pretty cool things from a UI perspective, e.g. the Canola project.

tyler_durden
2007-02-13, 17:27
I have updated my web site with the detailed procedure for installing the HDD and loading the OS and drivers. I also repaired the flaky power connector. I took lots of photos as I took things apart and put them back together. See it all here:
http://mark.rehorst.com/Fujitsu_ST3500/index.htm

TD