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Tarn
2006-12-13, 18:00
I'm using SlimServer 6.5.0 on a Media PC, accessing it remotely from a Windows tablet with IE.

This works pretty well, but I keep hitting one of the 6.5.0 bugs (IE fails to refresh now playing pane) regularly.

I really don't want to switch to one of the daily drops of 6.5.1 if I don't have to, but I don't want to wait much longer either.

Anyone know of an approximate ETA for 6.5.1?

Failing that, is there a particular drop of 6.5.1 that is considered to be more stable than others?

Ross L
2006-12-13, 18:19
At this point I really think it's stable enough that you should give it a shot.

Sorry but I don't have an ETA for the official release.

mbonsack
2006-12-13, 23:04
I really don't want to switch to one of the daily drops of 6.5.1 if I don't have to, but I don't want to wait much longer either.

Anyone know of an approximate ETA for 6.5.1?


If you look at other postings and bugzilla, there's an impending firmware release (71) that is being internally tested that you may want to wait for. I've also been asking about an official 6.5.1 release date in the beta forum for quite some time; the replies have been mainly "It will be ready when it's ready." I do think that 3 months for a third-level dot release is a little long; but more frustrating is the lack of information about what is holding up the release (other than what can be gleaned via Bugzilla) and what particular bugs they feel must be fixed prior to release.

Though there are differing opinions on the matter, I feel that getting a reasonable 6.5.1 out there sooner for reviewers and the general public to feel better about the product makes sense, following up with a 6.5.2 or whatever to finish up.

ceejay
2006-12-14, 01:31
Not sure I understand the reluctance to try 6.5.1 ... the time to download, install and try out isn't very long: there is a good chance it will fix a bug that's annoying you: and you can easily go back if it introduces something you don't like.

Being "released" doesn't mean its been magically annointed with anti-bug pixie dust, it just means its been through a formal test -and-release cycle. And while this is undoubtedly valuable, the testing is certainly not as comprehensive as the testing that's going on in the hundreds (?) of live systems that are using it every day. If there is a lurking bug waiting to bite you that is still unknown and unreported, it will therefore probably still be there when "release" happens!

And you can be confident that no-one at slim is going to tell you "its unsupported" if you report a problem with 6.5.1 (which makes it entirely different from 7.0 at the moment - anyone trying that out is definitely on their own).

The main risk as I see it of picking up a nightly is that there is a chance that a "silly" bug has crept in to that particular nightly (something blatant like a bunch of files missing) which is always fixed immediately. If you're unlucky enough to get one of those, go back and get another one.

YMMV

Ceejay

peter
2006-12-14, 03:12
ceejay wrote:
> Not sure I understand the reluctance to try 6.5.1 ... the time to
> download, install and try out isn't very long: there is a good chance
> it will fix a bug that's annoying you: and you can easily go back if it
> introduces something you don't like.
>

That's a pretty insensitive remark. Imagine how that must sound to our
Irish mailing list mates who struggle to download dozens of MB's over
their puny Irish modem lines.. ;)

Regards,
Peter

tomjtx
2006-12-14, 04:06
ceejay wrote:
> Not sure I understand the reluctance to try 6.5.1 ... the time to
> download, install and try out isn't very long: there is a good chance
> it will fix a bug that's annoying you: and you can easily go back if it
> introduces something you don't like.
>

That's a pretty insensitive remark. Imagine how that must sound to our
Irish mailing list mates who struggle to download dozens of MB's over
their puny Irish modem lines.. ;)

Regards,
Peter

I thought the only thing the Irish downloaded was whiskey followed by a pint:=)

My middle name is McGinness BTW

mbonsack
2006-12-14, 10:09
Being "released" doesn't mean its been magically annointed with anti-bug pixie dust, it just means its been through a formal test -and-release cycle.

Then why not just run it through a formal cycle and release it so that folks not accustomed to the Slim "late beta is just as good as a final release" way of doing business can grab the release and be assured that it is reasonably up-to-date with respect to bug fixes? Many of us here know that we shouldn't be using 6.5.0 because the latest 6.5.1 nightlies are more stable and have many bug fixes -- but those not on this forum do not.

Bottom line -- why does slim feel that 6.5.1 is *not* ready to go through the formal testing/release cycle at this time?

kdf
2006-12-14, 10:15
Quoting mbonsack <mbonsack.2itfen1166116201 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:


> Bottom line -- why does slim feel that 6.5.1 is *not* ready to go
> through the formal testing/release cycle at this time?

who said it isnt?

ceejay
2006-12-14, 10:27
Then why not just run it through a formal cycle and release it so that folks not accustomed to the Slim "late beta is just as good as a final release" way of doing business can grab the release and be assured that it is reasonably up-to-date with respect to bug fixes? Many of us here know that we shouldn't be using 6.5.0 because the latest 6.5.1 nightlies are more stable and have many bug fixes -- but those not on this forum do not.

Bottom line -- why does slim feel that 6.5.1 is *not* ready to go through the formal testing/release cycle at this time?

Well, I'd rather they spent time fixing bugs and adding capability than in formal release cycles every month, say (which would be very expensive).

As for non-forum users ... well, if they're being troubled by a problem they can come here and find out about it, or they can call/email support who will presumeably suggest 6.5.1 if it seems relevant.

Ceejay

mbonsack
2006-12-14, 11:41
Well, I'd rather they spent time fixing bugs and adding capability than in formal release cycles every month, say (which would be very expensive).

Ceejay

I agree that formal release every month doesn't make sense, but 6.5.0 in my opinion was rushed due to a major hardware release; it has *many* issues and is crying for a formal maintenance update. More importantly, there is also a cost in distributing and maintaining a daily release. At some point the 6.5.1 development process will stop; I'm just wondering when that might be.

I'm simply asking for some insight into what Slim's criteria for the 6.5.1 (or any) release are and when *they* feel the release is ready. As kdf said, who says the current nightly isn't the one -- but *no one knows*.

Can someone from Slim please comment?

Thanks!

Ben Sandee
2006-12-14, 12:47
On 12/14/06, mbonsack <
mbonsack.2itjsz1166121901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Can someone from Slim please comment?


Ross from SlimDevices did comment... and he declined to predict when
6.5.1would be released. I'm sure if he wanted to offer more insight,
he would
have.

Ben

Steve Baumgarten
2006-12-14, 13:12
> Ross from SlimDevices did comment... and he declined to predict when
> 6.5.1 would be released. I'm sure if he wanted to offer more insight,
> he would have.

This reminds me of that famous Onion article:

God Answers Prayers Of Paralyzed Little Boy
'No,' Says God

December 9, 1998 | Issue 34.19

SAN FRANCISCO–For as long as he can remember, 7-year-old Timmy Yu has
had one precious dream: From the bottom of his heart, he has hoped
against hope that God would someday hear his prayer to walk again.
Though many thought Timmy's heavenly plea would never be answered, his
dream finally came true Monday, when the Lord personally responded to
the wheelchair-bound boy's prayer with a resounding no.

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/28812

;-)

SBB

ceejay
2006-12-14, 14:44
More importantly, there is also a cost in distributing and maintaining a daily release. At some point the 6.5.1 development process will stop; I'm just wondering when that might be.



Ummm .. no. The development process never stops (we hope!). The nightlies go on more or less uninterrupted. When 6.5.1 is finally released, I'd expect a new nightly stream to start more or less straight away - perhaps labelled 6.5.2, or 6.6, depending on how the plan is looking at the time. There always has to be *somewhere* to put the fixes and minor enhancements.

That's in addition to the more radical new version 7.0, of course, which continues in parallel... this is at the moment not at all stable and not to be touched by mere mortals unless feeling very brave indeed, though at some point it will be declared a "beta" and we will be invited to try it out.

The incremental cost of these nightlies is trivial - just the cost of maintaining the servers - and not in the slightest like the cost of doing a formal test and release cycle.

This principle of continuing parallel development of the "safe" nightly (6.5.1 at the moment) and the "potentially unstable" (7.0) is a great strength of the slimserver/open source development model and is not to be fiddled with lightly...

Ceejay

gsalton
2006-12-15, 01:41
With respect to the original poster's question, where IE would not refresh: if you have some reluctance to try 6.5.1, why not try a different browser? Firefox seems to refresh fine.

MelonMonkey
2006-12-15, 19:50
I think the consensus is that 6.5.1 (pick pretty much any date) is more stable than 6.5.0

I've only been running 6.5.1 - never tried anything previous, so I can't really confirm what I've read.

I will say that 6.5.1 is not ready to be called final however. There are obviously a number of bugs here and there with it (some were hopfully squashed with firmware 70 and more with 71).

My main problems right now are in sorting while browsing using Slimserver. Many of the 'views' are very (very) broken. As far as I know they are all filed in bugzilla already, so I hope they get some active cycles before 6.5.1 is deemed "final"

Nostromo
2006-12-15, 22:31
Not sure I understand the reluctance to try 6.5.1 ... the time to download, install and try out isn't very long: there is a good chance it will fix a bug that's annoying you: and you can easily go back if it introduces something you don't like.


Its still a pain in the ass: uninstall the current Slimserver, download the latest build, install it (and pray to God it works), if it works, download the plugins, install them, reconfigure everything... I tried to install 6.5.1 a while back and it was a disaster. So I returned to 6.5.0.

mherger
2006-12-15, 22:55
> Its still a pain in the ass: uninstall the current Slimserver, download
> the latest build, install it (and pray to God it works), if it works,
> download the plugins, install them, reconfigure everything...

There's no need to uninstall if you're staying within a minor version. And
absolutely no need to re-download the plugins. My disk is large enough to
keep that few kb in my download folder. You can heavily influence the
level of pain you're experiencing :-)

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Michael

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jimwillsher
2006-12-16, 08:25
IE *does* refresh if you use the Fishbone interface.

It takes a bit of gettig used to, but does have some useful advantages over the standard interface (notwithstanding the fact that it refreshes!).


Jim