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GungHo
2006-11-28, 02:19
Yes you are right I have again a request for uPnP with SlimServer.

I am trying to find the best solution for my multi room
Video/Sound network.
It seem like the SqeezeBox/Slimserver is the best for
the audio part of the network.

My only problem is that I would like to have the possibility
of a fancy remote for connecting to the SlimServer
as far as I understand this would only be possible with a uPnP
compliant server. The remote I am thinking about is the
Philips RC9800I.
http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/catalog/product.jsp?language=en&country=GB&catalogType=CONSUMER&productId=RC9800I_05_GB_CONSUMER

I realize that making the SqeezeBox uPnP would not be a good idea
(hardware architecture etc.)

Would it not be possible to make only Slimserver uPnP compatible
or at least controllable from a uPnP compatible remote.

I realize that the Nokia 770 would be an option but not the best to control the rest of the hardware AMPS etc.

oreillymj
2006-11-28, 07:57
The remote control aspect of the Philips product and uPNP bit are separate functions from what I can tell.

You install the Philips media server on your PC and you can stream audio to the actual remote for playback. It has a headphone socket for use as a portable audio device.
There's nothing to stop you installing this software and pointing it at the same music directory as your Slim box is configured to use.
Don't know how great the streaming would be over it's 802.11B wireless adapter.

My PSP struggles to stream using it's 802.11B adapter. It isn't able to stream 224Kb VBR MP3's without break ups.

I'm not sure if it has web browsing functionality to mimic what people are using the Nokia 770 for.

GungHo
2006-11-28, 22:02
The remote control aspect of the Philips product and uPNP bit are separate functions from what I can tell.

You install the Philips media server on your PC and you can stream audio to the actual remote for playback. It has a headphone socket for use as a portable audio device.
There's nothing to stop you installing this software and pointing it at the same music directory as your Slim box is configured to use.
Don't know how great the streaming would be over it's 802.11B wireless adapter.

My PSP struggles to stream using it's 802.11B adapter. It isn't able to stream 224Kb VBR MP3's without break ups.

I'm not sure if it has web browsing functionality to mimic what people are using the Nokia 770 for.

It is true that you can stream music with the Phillips RC9800,
but the quality is quite poor !

What I want is to be able to control the SlimServer and see music folders which you can do with the phillips server software.

So it seem like if the SlimServer where uPnP compliant the same would be possible with SlimServer.

netim3
2006-11-29, 14:01
Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the software UPnP compatible.

Have you looked at Telcanto as a solution for controling your system? I use it with a library of 1,000 albums and a multi-room setup (6 rooms), and also use it to access AlienBBC.

GungHo
2006-11-29, 18:10
Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the software UPnP compatible.

True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they will sell !


Have you looked at Telcanto as a solution for controling your system? I use it with a library of 1,000 albums and a multi-room setup (6 rooms), and also use it to access AlienBBC.

That looks nice but what it lacks is a profesional approax for controling the rest of the A/V system that you only get from
a good 2 way universal remote !

stinkingpig
2006-11-29, 23:08
On 11/29/06, GungHo
<GungHo.2i29uz1164849301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> netim3;158436 Wrote:
> > Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the
> > software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the
> > software UPnP compatible.
>
> True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I
> think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they
> will sell !
>

there's actually a respectable number of people who say they're using
it with softsqueeze only. You can also stream to any media player that
takes mp3 streams.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Marc Sherman
2006-11-30, 08:08
GungHo wrote:
> netim3;158436 Wrote:
>> Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the
>> software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the
>> software UPnP compatible.
>
> True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I
> think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they
> will sell !

I'm sure that if you or someone else were to code up working UPnP server
support in slimserver, the patch would be happily accepted. The point is
that you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for Slim Devices to fund
development of UPnP support, because doing so doesn't sell them more
Squeezeboxes.

- Marc

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_HUCK?=
2006-11-30, 08:17
What would help them sell more SqueezeBoxes would be to add support for
UPnP in the firmware.

It's too bad the SqueezeBoxes don't support UPnP, whereas most of the
other hardware players do, because it beats them on all the features,
apart from UPnP.

Mt-daap or Gmediaserver are great UPnP/AV servers, and are coded in C,
so they can easily be embedded in memory limited devices. It's a lot
more difficult to embed SlimServer, it has been done, but it's not
possible to integrate it on a wireless router for example with 4Mb of
flash. Gmediaserver takes less than 200kb, and libupnp 130kb...

--Raphael HUCK


> GungHo wrote:
>> netim3;158436 Wrote:
>>> Given that SlimDevices only make money when you buy their hardware (the
>>> software is free), they have little economic incentive to make the
>>> software UPnP compatible.
>>
>> True that the slimserver is free but can only be used with SqeezeBox (I
>> think). And the more flexible the server is the more SqeezeBoxes they
>> will sell !
>
> I'm sure that if you or someone else were to code up working UPnP server
> support in slimserver, the patch would be happily accepted. The point is
> that you shouldn't hold your breath waiting for Slim Devices to fund
> development of UPnP support, because doing so doesn't sell them more
> Squeezeboxes.
>
> - Marc
>
>

Marc Sherman
2006-11-30, 11:11
RaphaŽl HUCK wrote:
> What would help them sell more SqueezeBoxes would be to add support for
> UPnP in the firmware.

You're changing the subject. The OP is talking about a UPnP _server_
integrated into Slimserver. That is possible, but not in any current
plan I've ever seen. What you're talking about is a UPnP _client_ in
squeezebox firmware, which is a completely different feature, and a lot
less likely to ever happen, I think.

The third option, a UPnP _client_ integrated into slimserver, is already
available as a plugin, I think.

- Marc

=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Rapha=EBl_HUCK?=
2006-11-30, 11:54
>> What would help them sell more SqueezeBoxes would be to add support for
>> UPnP in the firmware.

> You're changing the subject.

You were talking about UPnP, and the fact that this feature would not
help them sell more Squeezeboxes.

I just gave my opinion which is that UPnP would be more useful as a
client in the Squeezebox firmware.

> The OP is talking about a UPnP _server_ integrated into Slimserver.

As I had been playing with a Roku SoundBridge, a SqueezeBox, mt-daap,
SlimServer and Gmediaserver, and was disappointed with the Squeezebox
only supporting SlimServer instead of being UPnP compatible.

Apart from that, it is my favourite network player (best sound, best
design, best user interface, supports WPA....).

But as the server of my network audio player must fit in less than 800kb
(my embedded system, a SOHO, has 6Mb of flash and is running Linux), I
cannot use SlimServer as it is too big and uses Perl.

So I'm using gmediaserver (it takes less than 300kb, is coded in C, and
supports UPnP), so I can use the Roku Soundbridge (but gmediaserver also
supports NETGEAR Wireless Digital Music Player, Linksys Wireless-B Music
System, Philips Streamium, D-Link DSM-520, Terratec NOXON audio,
Pinnacle ShowCenter... as they are all UPnP compatible).

> What you're talking about is a UPnP _client_ in squeezebox firmware

Exactly.

> which is a completely different feature, and a lot
> less likely to ever happen, I think.

It is also about UPnP, and a lot more useful IMHO.

--Raphael

Marc Sherman
2006-11-30, 12:59
RaphaŽl HUCK wrote:
>> What you're talking about is a UPnP _client_ in squeezebox firmware
>
> It is also about UPnP, and a lot more useful IMHO.

Well, sure, it would be pretty damn useful if I could grow wings out of
my back so that I could fly to work in the morning and avoid the
rush-hour traffic, but it's not very likely to happen.

- Marc

GungHo
2006-11-30, 23:21
The third option, a UPnP _client_ integrated into slimserver, is already
available as a plugin, I think.

- Marc

Do you know which plugin that is ?

mherger
2006-12-01, 00:57
> Do you know which plugin that is ?

I think it's the rhapsody plugin.

--

Michael

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Paul Webster
2006-12-01, 08:41
> Do you know which plugin that is ?

I think it's the rhapsody plugin.
It is in the base Slimserver 6.5
If you have a UPnP server on the network and Slimserver can find it - then it will appear in the Browse dialogue.

In fact - I've noticed some problems with it recently ... so I must have another look and report back
(things that I can play with XBMC, don't play via Slimserver)