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scalesr1
2006-11-02, 11:19
Hello all,



I have been a keen user of Slimp3 then SB and now SB2's and it has
completely revolutionised the way we listen to music here - total access to
entire collection etc.etc.etc we know all this!



There is another gadget that has had a similar effect on home entertainment
in our household and I thought I would share it with the forum (this is most
relevant to UK viewers).



I was a Sky subscriber for years but gave up before SkyPlus came out and
defected to the FreeView service. Now we have a TopField 5800 PVR Hard Disk
recorder - which as well as allowing me to trash the VCR (and that mountain
of tapes) has revolutionised the way we watch TV here. I know that SkyPlus
folk will know all about hard disk recording - and there is the TiVo
community but the Topfield 5800 product sits well in our setup.



There are 3rd party 'plugins' that extend the functionality of the basic
unit and it is partly because of this that I thought I would bring it to the
attention of this community as I know that some of us like that sort of
thing!



There is a user group at www.toppy.org.uk <http://www.toppy.org.uk/>



It might be interesting to know how many other Slimp3/Squeezebox users are
also Toppy owners!



Regards



Richard Scales

dSw
2006-11-02, 13:59
It might be interesting to know how many other Slimp3/Squeezebox users are
also Toppy owners!

Me for one!

It's definitely in the same category as the Squeezebox i.e. if you have the technical know-how and can be bothered spending time on it then it will work wonders, but there are other devices out there that do similar things and are more user friendly.. but aren't quite as good.

I actually use my SB2 as a wireless bridge to allow WLAN access to my Toppy - they work very well together!

scalesr1
2006-11-02, 22:22
Would I be right in thinking that you have got some device doing the
Ethernet<>USB connection at the Toppy end?
I have heard that the next version of the product will be networkable which
would open the door to all sorts of opportunities!


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Subject: [slim] Re: Slimp3 - a life changer!


Richard Scales;151983 Wrote:
> It might be interesting to know how many other Slimp3/Squeezebox users
> are
> also Toppy owners!

Me for one!

It's definitely in the same category as the Squeezebox i.e. if you have
the technical know-how and can be bothered spending time on it then it
will work wonders, but there are other devices out there that do
similar things and are more user friendly.. but aren't quite as good.

I actually use my SB2 as a wireless bridge to allow WLAN access to my
Toppy - they work very well together!


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Fifer
2006-11-03, 01:09
Not a Toppy user, I went for the Humax 9200T instead. We've had it a year now and it has transformed the way we watch TV.

Greg Erskine
2006-11-03, 01:12
hi scalesr1,

I have only had my SB for a few months but have also been trying to purchase TF6000PVRt (5000 with WLAN) but with no luck. Even though it has been released it hasn't quite become generally available.

dSw,

How do you connect your TP to the SB? TP have a USB port, don't they? I read some people are using an IceBox2.

regards

http://www.topfield-australia.com.au/phpbb2/

dSw
2006-11-03, 01:36
Would I be right in thinking that you have got some device doing the
Ethernet<>USB connection at the Toppy end?

Yeah, a little VIA Epia-based linux box sits below my toppy to provide the USB connectivity and also to run SlimServer. This is connected to my SB2 using a Cat5 cable.

cliveb
2006-11-03, 02:37
It might be interesting to know how many other Slimp3/Squeezebox users are also Toppy owners!
Guilty as charged.

2005 was the year that I grudgingly dragged myself into the 21st century, and purchased the "holy trinity" of AV equipment that seems especially suited to us geeks: Topfield 5800, Squeezebox 2, Rio Karma.

Re. the Toppy: the feature that has most revolutionised our TV watching habits is chase-play. (I hear from a friend that a recent firmware update has now added chase-play to the Humax).

Fifer
2006-11-03, 02:49
Yes, chase play now works perfectly on the Humax. It's a very robust box since the last firware upgrade.

There's a theme here. I have a Karma too.

smc2911
2006-11-03, 02:57
I'm another Toppy user (there are a lot of Australian-oriented TAPs).

Warren
2006-11-03, 03:05
I'm a Sky+ devotee!

The days I received SKY+ and my Squeezebox are in my top five of all time, only to be eclipsed by getting married, the birth of my children and losing my virginity!

Stuffed a 250gb in the box and we have 100 hours capacity in the original broadcast quality.

What are the bebefits of a Toppy over Sky+?

scalesr1
2006-11-03, 03:37
Toppy is only for FREEview - hence no subscription charges - which benefits
me immensely!

Richard


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I'm a Sky+ devotee!

The days I received SKY+ and my Squeezebox are in my top five of all
time, only to be eclipsed by getting married, the birth of my children
and losing my virginity!

Stuffed a 250gb in the box and we have 100 hours capacity in the
original broadcast quality.

What are the bebefits of a Toppy over Sky+?


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chuckiebear
2006-11-03, 03:40
MythTV user here - its a bit cheaper :) Awesome program IMHO - http://mythtv.org/modules.php?name=MythFeatures

dSw
2006-11-03, 03:51
What are the bebefits of a Toppy over Sky+?

Being able to copy recordings off the box onto a PC for editing, burning to DVD, archiving etc. (I believe you can't do this with Sky+).

Fifer
2006-11-03, 05:35
You can with a Humax though. ;)

Warren
2006-11-03, 06:04
Being able to copy recordings off the box onto a PC for editing, burning to DVD, archiving etc. (I believe you can't do this with Sky+).

True that you can't copy recordings to PC, but you can archive to DVD if required......

Personally if I like something enough to want to copy to DVD then (as long as it's available) I'll just buy the DVD!

Of course SKY+ records the raw MPEG stream straight from the satellite feed so what you see is identical to the original broadcast, just like FLAC via your Squeezebox...........

Paul Webster
2006-11-03, 06:33
From what users have told me - the Toppy does seem like a good device.
I adapted my software for initiating recordings on it from DigiGuide (for both direct PC connected and NSLU2 connected users) some time ago.

Fifer
2006-11-03, 06:47
Of course SKY+ records the raw MPEG stream straight from the satellite feed so what you see is identical to the original broadcast, just like FLAC via your Squeezebox...........
It's not really like FLAC from your squeezebox unless the FLAC was transcoded from a lossy MP3. Most digital broadcasters compress material significantly before transmission.

Incidentally, both Toppy and Humax record the raw MPEG stream too.

dSw
2006-11-03, 07:04
True that you can't copy recordings to PC, but you can archive to DVD if required......

Personally if I like something enough to want to copy to DVD then (as long as it's available) I'll just buy the DVD!

Of course SKY+ records the raw MPEG stream straight from the satellite feed so what you see is identical to the original broadcast, just like FLAC via your Squeezebox...........

Copying to a PC is handy when you just want to lend a recording to a friend. True you could just use a DVD recorder, but a PC provides much better editing facilities.

As someone has already said, the Toppy also records the digital stream.

The other MAJOR advantage over $ky+ is the ability to extend the functionality of the Toppy by running custom software applications on it. This has resulted in a sizeable community of software developers dedicated to improving the box. A couple of them impressed Topfield so much they are now employed directly!

Warren
2006-11-03, 07:05
Thanks for clarifying Fifer, it looks a nifty bit of kit, but you'd still need to prize my SKY+ remote from my dying hands!

My SKY+ box sits comfortably above my Transporter, any sign of yours yet?...........

Fifer
2006-11-03, 07:29
Unfortunately not. :( It's all getting a bit silly now, especially the deafening silence from SD.

How's yours?

cbemoore
2006-11-03, 07:47
Never had a Toppy, but I was a TiVo evangelist before I upgraded to Windows Media Center HTPC.

Now the only bits of kit in my lounge are a plasma, the HTPC, a set of active speakers, and a Squeezebox2. Lovely....

Andy_W
2006-11-03, 08:05
I think Sky+ has to be the most useful gadget ever, closely followed by my SB3/QNAP combination.

I have also just bought a Kiss DP600 DVD player which will play recordings in high definition at full HD resolution via HDMI (I am not talking about HD-DVD or BluRay). It is really good for playing avi (MPEG-4) files, particularly as it has a USB socket that takes flash drives. You can also stream directly from your PC (ethernet or wireless). I have also read somewhere that it possible to stream directly from a QNAP TS101 with a bit of tweaking. It's pretty cool!

The only problem is that it is a bit quirky and build quality is not great.

ceejay
2006-11-03, 08:56
I'll just jump in to say that the best two bits of kit I've ever bought are my PVR (an early Humax in my case) and my first SB2. Both completely changed they way we do something (watching TV and listening to music, that is!).

I am now getting to the point where I want to upgrade the Humax PVR to something newer with a bigger disc, two tuners, and an easy means to move the recorded files over to my PC for editing (NB - I don't consider having to have an extra box to do USB-Ethernet connection "easy"!). Maybe the next Toppy will be close enough to make me get my credit card out.

Trouble is there are so many toys and upgrades out there and only so much cash! Maybe I need a really good bonus, I can usually get permission to spend that on almost anything...

Ceejay

Andy_W
2006-11-03, 09:01
Trouble is there are so many toys and upgrades out there and only so much cash! Maybe I need a really good bonus, I can usually get permission to spend that on almost anything...


Easy mate! You equate every gadget you want to the value of pairs of shoes that your partner buys "because she has to". Works everytime for me!

ceejay
2006-11-03, 09:05
Easy mate! You equate every gadget you want to the value of pairs of shoes that your partner buys "because she has to". Works everytime for me!

Hmm, so how many pairs of shoes = one transporter??

Ceejay

Andy_W
2006-11-03, 09:16
Hmm, so how many pairs of shoes = one transporter??

Ceejay

Two pairs of Jimmy Choos and a pair of Manolos I think! (I used to watch Sex & the City)

cbemoore
2006-11-03, 09:32
One in 10 women spend more than 1,000 [that's about $2000] a year on shoes while 8% own more than 100 pairs each....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4779211.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4790079.stm

Does that mean we can buy a Transporter every year?

autopilot
2006-11-03, 10:00
I am actually planning to by a Toppy this month, but what's this about a new Topfield due with networking capabilities?

Maybe i should wait, even if it just mean the current model gets cheaper.

Fifer
2006-11-03, 11:00
I am now getting to the point where I want to upgrade the Humax PVR to something newer with a bigger disc, two tuners, and an easy means to move the recorded files over to my PC for editing (NB - I don't consider having to have an extra box to do USB-Ethernet connection "easy"!). Maybe the next Toppy will be close enough to make me get my credit card out.

I can recommend the Humax 9200T.

ceejay
2006-11-03, 11:56
I can recommend the Humax 9200T.


Like the current Toppy, it only has a USB port for PC connection, and I have no PC anywhere near. I'm looking for an ethernet connection, which the alleged new Toppy (6000) seems to have. Wireless would be nice, but I could live with wired as my SB2 is nearby and I could use that as a bridge.

Ceejay

Axegrinder
2006-11-03, 11:58
Another Toppy user here (had it for over 12 months). Great machine, but as I don't have a PC anywhere near it it's a pain to copy recordings over for archiving. I did it last year for Pink floyd at Live8 but haven't bothered since.

I do all my TV hard disk recording now on my iMac using a Miglia TVMini with EyeTV software. Works great.

cliveb
2006-11-04, 01:56
Like the current Toppy, it only has a USB port for PC connection, and I have no PC anywhere near.
For anyone who may be considering the Toppy, I'll just make the point that the USB connection is very slow. (I think it's described as USB2, but it seems more like USB1 to me). So transferring recordings to a PC takes a long time. I sometimes do it, using my laptop, but it's frankly a bit of a pain. Also, after you've copied them across, although they are in standard MPG format, the files also have a ".REC" wrapper (program info, etc) which a lot of video software doesn't understand. VideoReDo will handle them, though.

autopilot
2006-11-07, 04:11
Questions for the Toppy owners;

The Topfield 58000 has an ethernet connection right?

Can the Toppy added to my WiFi network by using my SB3 is a wireless bridge?

Can TAP's be installed over the network?

scalesr1
2006-11-07, 05:42
The TF5800PVR only has a USB port - lots of people network to this via
various devices which effectively provide the USB to Ethernet link including
small linux/windows PC's and other devices.

Assuming that you are connected in this way then yes you can then install
TAPs etc via the link as it is simply a matter of sending the required file
to the correct folder.

Richard Scales


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Questions for the Toppy owners;

The Topfield 58000 has an ethernet connection right?

Can the Toppy added to my WiFi network by using my SB3 is a wireless
bridge?

Can TAP's be installed over the network?


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SteveC
2006-11-07, 08:24
I run an SB1, SB2, SB3 and a Transporter. I also have a Toppy, but I admit a) I have only transferred programmes off it to a laptop once (it is slow) and b) I haven't installed any TAPs at all. In spite of that I still love it. I'm beginning to feel a bit limited by the 80 GB hard rive, but on the other hand that encourages good programme hygiene :)

cliveb
2006-11-07, 09:04
I also have a Toppy, but I admit ... b) I haven't installed any TAPs at all.
How do you cope with the awful standard Toppy EPG? Given how frequently programmes run late, it's almost obligatory to add some padding to the record timers, and it's a pain to do that with the standard EPG. The various 3rd party EPGs have automatic padding facilities.

The other TAP I couldn't do without is QuickJump, in order to rapidly skip over adverts.