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alderash
2006-08-11, 14:20
Hi,

I just hooked up my Squeezebox and am disappointed to hear that the first second of every song is cut off during playback, especially when I search for a particular song or use the FWD or REW buttons to move to another song.

Is this a known issue?

If there's a thread that already addresses this, please point me to the right spot.

Thank you

Mark Miksis
2006-08-11, 14:59
Do you have crossfade or fade-in set for the player?

alderash
2006-08-11, 15:01
No, it's set to None.

chaz
2006-08-11, 18:44
What format are you ripping to?

alderash
2006-08-11, 21:14
I'm ripping to FLAC.

I just tried switching from a coaxial to an RCA cable it it works fine. Kinda' stinks 'cause I figured digital out would be the way to go.

How many of you use RCA?

seanadams
2006-08-11, 21:40
what kind of receiver do you have?

It really sounds like the receiver is malfunctioning - it seems it is losing the s/pdif signal when it goes silent. It's not something I've heard of but I can think of a few possible ways it might happen. You might want to try the optical connection instead.

seanadams
2006-08-11, 21:45
Also do you see any indicator lights on the receiver changing as the sound comes in and out?

pfarrell
2006-08-11, 21:54
alderash wrote:
> I'm ripping to FLAC.
> I just tried switching from a coaxial to an RCA cable it it works fine.
> Kinda' stinks 'cause I figured digital out would be the way to go.

It really depends on the quality of the DAC in your receiver. Which
depends a lot on the age of it, since DACs get better following Moore's
Law, new designs are a lot better than old ones, even fairly high end.

The SqueezeBox 3 has a pretty good DAC. I would expect it to be better
than a four or five year old 'theater receiver' I would not expect it
to be better than something like a Meridian Control center, but
the Meridian costs at least $8,000

> How many of you use RCA?

First of all, there is little point in asking such a poll question.
The user community is not the same as the folks on the forums and
mailing lists. So it is not at all clear what the answer would mean,
even if you got a decent statistical sample.

Do you mean how many folks use the SqueezeBox analog output RCA jacks?
A lot, probably the majority. Or do you mean how many use the RCA jack
for digital out (S/PDIF)? A lot of folks do that, but I do not expect it
to be a majority. I have tested both the coax/rca digital out and the
toslink (optical) link to my external DAC, and I can tell absolutely
no difference between them.

YMMV

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

alderash
2006-08-12, 03:55
First off, I'm using a Harman Kardon AVR-635.

I was told on another forum that some receivers, if connected via digital, will take a small amount of time to figure out what type of signal they are getting before outputting sound. I suppose that's why I don't have that problem with the RCA connection.

seanadams
2006-08-12, 05:48
First off, I'm using a Harman Kardon AVR-635.

I was told on another forum that some receivers, if connected via digital, will take a small amount of time to figure out what type of signal they are getting before outputting sound. I suppose that's why I don't have that problem with the RCA connection.

Right, but it shouldn't _lose_ the signal (or mute its outputs, or whatever its doing) just because the input goes silent. Squeezebox does not interrupt the s/pdif signal when changing tracks.

So, do you see any indicators changing on the front panel when this happens?

Mark Lanctot
2006-08-12, 08:11
Player Settings - Audio - Audio Startup Time can introduce a delay:


Audio Startup Time

Some audio receivers and D/A converters need a little extra time to start decoding audio from the player when playing back MP3 audio. You can specify how much time, in seconds, to wait after pressing play to start sending MP3 audio. The default value is 0, a value of 0.25 seconds works for many receivers.

However I believe it only works when the SB starts up, not between tracks because the SB isn't stopping.

Mark Lanctot
2006-08-12, 08:29
Also a few months ago on AVS Forum they were discussing a firmware update for the AVR-635.

I believe the problem with the original firmware was a long pause switching between DSP modes. Not entirely related to your problem but worth looking into.

seanadams
2006-08-12, 14:11
Player Settings - Audio - Audio Startup Time can introduce a delay:


Right, however this is ONLY needed with Squeezebox1. SB2 and SB3 do not drop the s/pdif signal, so there is no resyncing invovled. If sync is lost during silence, then sending more silence would not make a difference. Maybe I should not have assumed that he had a new Squeezebox... unless it is an SB1, this is almost certainly a bug in the receiver.

Robert_W
2006-08-12, 20:15
Sean, just for the sake of discussion I too have a similar problem, but ONLY on start up of the first song played after turning the player on. SB3. The first 1/2 second or so of the song is cut off. All songs played after that play just fine no matter how I play them.....search, browse, playlist etc. This also happens if Pandora is the first thing to be played after the SB3 is turned on. I have thought about it being my pre amp too, could be I guess. I have tried turning the pre amp on and off while leaving the SB3 on and the problem does not occur so I really think that it's the SB3.
And not that it's a huge problem, just a bit annoying. Over all I love the device.

I have an Outlaw 990. SB3 is connected via coax playing all FLAC except Pandora obviously. Everything over Gigabit Ethernet, NO wireless. And no I haven't tried analog, doesn't bother me that much. Just FYI. Thanks.