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2003-12-01, 11:35
....I have a few questions that I was wondering if this list could answer.

-How does the unit handle playlists? Are all of the playlists that are created in iTunes available via the squeeze box?

-Is it possible to put the unit on random?

-How does the unit handle gaps between songs? Is it possible to have a zero gap between songs or to fade the songs into each other? This becomes particularly important with mix cds.

-How does the unit handle music added to the library? Does it automatically pick up new songs when they are added to the hard drive with the music library? How does it do this- by monitoring the library file that the mp3 software (e.g. itunes) creates?

-I've heard that developers create extensions for the slimdevice software. Are there any particularly good sites to see a catalog of what is currently available?

BTW, I run iTunes on osX 10.3

Thanks all!
Tony Lopez

Kevin Deane-Freeman
2003-12-01, 11:59
Quoting spam spam <Spam (AT) swanpez (DOT) com>:

> ...I have a few questions that I was wondering if this list could answer.


> -How does the unit handle playlists? Are all of the playlists that are
> created in iTunes available via the squeeze box?

In Windows and on OSX, yes indeedy :)

> -Is it possible to put the unit on random?

There is a shuffle mode. Its not exactly "random" in some senses. What it does
is shuffle the current playlist in a random order, then plays that order. you
can shuffle by song, or by album (playing a whole album in order, but random
album order)

> -How does the unit handle gaps between songs? Is it possible to have a zero
> gap between songs or to fade the songs into each other? This becomes
> particularly important with mix cds.

There is no way currently to crossfade. FLAC formats support gapless playback.
MP3's can be made totally gapless by ripping the entire CD as one track, then
using a CUE sheet to tell the server where the breaks are.

>
> -How does the unit handle music added to the library? Does it automatically
> pick up new songs when they are added to the hard drive with the music
> library? How does it do this- by monitoring the library file that the mp3
> software (e.g. itunes) creates?

SlimServer monitors for changes in the iTunes Library every 5 seconds and
triggers a rescan if any change is found. The server also scans for music in
the music folder on each startup of the service, and can be done manually at any
time. If you do not use iTunes, then you have the ability to browse the
filesystem, which will scan each folder as you browse.


> -I've heard that developers create extensions for the slimdevice software.
> Are there any particularly good sites to see a catalog of what is currently
> available?

This is probably the single best source for a comprehensive list:
http://www.slimdevices.com/dev_third_party.html

There you will find some excellent case mods, skins, plugins and remote control
configs.

Hope that helps!
-kdf

Roy M. Silvernail
2003-12-01, 14:27
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 12:47:06PM -0800, Tony Lopez wrote:
> Thanks for the super-helpful replies.
>
> Regarding the Random feature: Is it possible to play the entire music
> library on random without creating a playlist with the entire music
> library?

Yes! In fact, I do that a *lot*. It's been a great way for me to
rediscover music that I'd literally forgotten I owned.
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David Cantrell
2003-12-02, 02:45
On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:59:03AM -0800, Kevin Deane-Freeman wrote:
> Quoting spam spam <Spam (AT) swanpez (DOT) com>:
> > ...I have a few questions that I was wondering if this list could answer.
> > -How does the unit handle playlists? Are all of the playlists that are
> > created in iTunes available via the squeeze box?
> In Windows and on OSX, yes indeedy :)

I have a follow-up question ;-)

I maintain my library and play music through itunes on a Mac, but all its
files live on a Linux box, mostly because the Linux box has a LOT more
disk space. iTunes gets at the data using appletalk. When I buy my
squeezebox, I'll want to run the server on that Linux box. Given that
all of iTunes databases are on there, will the server be able to use
them?

--
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The Carthaginian Peace is not what Carthage did, but what was done unto
Carthage - total destruction and elimination of its power, the sale of
its people into slavery, salting the fields, burning the city to the
ground and saying rude things about it on Radio Romulus.
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Kevin Deane-Freeman
2003-12-02, 03:24
Quoting David Cantrell <david (AT) cantrell (DOT) org.uk>:

> On Mon, Dec 01, 2003 at 10:59:03AM -0800, Kevin Deane-Freeman wrote:
> > Quoting spam spam <Spam (AT) swanpez (DOT) com>:
> > > ...I have a few questions that I was wondering if this list could
> answer.
> > > -How does the unit handle playlists? Are all of the playlists that are
> > > created in iTunes available via the squeeze box?
> > In Windows and on OSX, yes indeedy :)
>
> I have a follow-up question ;-)
>
> I maintain my library and play music through itunes on a Mac, but all its
> files live on a Linux box, mostly because the Linux box has a LOT more
> disk space. iTunes gets at the data using appletalk. When I buy my
> squeezebox, I'll want to run the server on that Linux box. Given that
> all of iTunes databases are on there, will the server be able to use
> them?

now that is a good question. it can be done, but there are limits. The iTunes
XML file uses absolute pathnames, so your iTunes will see the files in a
different location than your linux server sees. In Windows iTunes, this is
something the server can convert, if you map your mp3 folder to ...say j:, or
any other drive letter. Then copy the XML file to the mp3 folder. On mac, I'm
not sure how you can do an automatic conversion, but you can use a simple find
and replace for the paths.

the limits of any methods above are that you can only have ONE mp3 path. While
itunes lets you scan your entire system, you can't map paths into linux for
multiple locations. Also, you can lose the live aspect, if your iTunes Music
Library.xml isn't automatically stored in the root of your mp3 folder. If you
want to work for it, it can be done. I can certainly help you if you need.

For the easy solution, I would recommend moving a drive to your OSX system. You
could also look into some fancy NFS linking for trick OSX into thinking the path
from your mac is the same as what the server would see from the Linux box.

-kdf

David Cantrell
2003-12-03, 02:52
On Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 02:24:40AM -0800, Kevin Deane-Freeman wrote:
> Quoting David Cantrell <david (AT) cantrell (DOT) org.uk>:
> > I maintain my library and play music through itunes on a Mac, but all its
> > files live on a Linux box, mostly because the Linux box has a LOT more
> > disk space. iTunes gets at the data using appletalk. When I buy my
> > squeezebox, I'll want to run the server on that Linux box. Given that
> > all of iTunes databases are on there, will the server be able to use
> > them?
> now that is a good question. it can be done, but there are limits. The iTunes
> XML file uses absolute pathnames, so your iTunes will see the files in a
> different location than your linux server sees.

So iTunes sees them as (eg) /Volumes/Server/media/music/... when they
are really in /home/username/media/music. Easily fixed with a symlink
or two on the server so that /Volumes/Server is valid. Hooray!

--
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