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Jim W. Howard
2003-12-01, 09:24
> I've noticed since SlimServer v5.0 that my SLIMP3 is skipping a
> minuscule amount of the beginning of each MP3 I play. Is this
> intentional?

Interesting, since 5.0 for me, it skips the END of most songs, just a few
seconds before the end (like, during fadeout) it moves to the next song.
I posted this behavior over the weekend, hoping someone will have seen it
and know the answer, perhaps to both our questions!

-Jim

dean
2003-12-01, 09:49
Well, it shouldn't be skipping either the beginning or the end.

Does it happen with every song?

-dean

On Dec 1, 2003, at 8:24 AM, Jim W. Howard wrote:

>> I've noticed since SlimServer v5.0 that my SLIMP3 is skipping a
>> minuscule amount of the beginning of each MP3 I play. Is this
>> intentional?
>
> Interesting, since 5.0 for me, it skips the END of most songs, just a
> few
> seconds before the end (like, during fadeout) it moves to the next
> song.
> I posted this behavior over the weekend, hoping someone will have seen
> it
> and know the answer, perhaps to both our questions!
>
> -Jim
>
>
>
>

Jim W. Howard
2003-12-01, 10:12
> Well, it shouldn't be skipping either the beginning or the end.
>
> Does it happen with every song?

Hi, Dean:

For me (and mine is the end-skipping problem) it does NOT happen with
every song, but for the songs it happens to, it is repeatable, and will
happen whether I'm streaming to my Slimp3 or to a PC, say, running winamp
or Media Player.

I can take the same MP3s from my media library and play them directly on a
PC, and there is no skip, so I know my MP3's are not missing data.

For refence, my server is Redhat 8.0, Perl 5.8.0, Slimserver 5.0.1.

This started happening when I upgraded to 5.0, and still happens with 5.0.1.

I have tried doing a complete RPM uninstall of the software, deleting
additional files I could find, and then reinstalling, but that didn't
help.

If you'd like access to my library, or I could send you some offending
MP3's, I'd be happy to do either.

Thanks!
-Jim

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-01, 10:54
Hi Dean

> Well, it shouldn't be skipping either the beginning or the end.
>
> Does it happen with every song?
>

Yes, every song and it's very noticeable with tunes that start at the
exact start point of the file - it misses the entire first beat of the
song. I don't notice it when the track has a moment of silence at the
beginning.

Could this be due to the measures put in place to eliminate the
inter-track popping noise?

> From: Sean Adams
> Date: Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:49 pm
> We have a software fix in the works for this. Please sit tight.
>
> On Tuesday, October 28, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Kevin Deane-Freeman wrote:
>
> > Quoting Andreas <groups@s...>:
> >
> >> Hey...
> >>
> >> I just noticed some songs that makes the slimp3 pop/crack
> >> really loud when they're finished.
> > its a bug from the decoder.

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Kevin Deane-Freeman
2003-12-01, 11:17
Quoting Oscar Marsh <jigsaw250 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk>:

> Hi Dean
>
> > Well, it shouldn't be skipping either the beginning or the end.
> >
> > Does it happen with every song?
> >
>
> Yes, every song and it's very noticeable with tunes that start at the
> exact start point of the file - it misses the entire first beat of the
> song. I don't notice it when the track has a moment of silence at the
> beginning.
>
> Could this be due to the measures put in place to eliminate the
> inter-track popping noise?

out of curiosity, do you get the same symptoms for repeat one, all, AND off?

-kdf

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-01, 12:25
Kevin

> out of curiosity, do you get the same symptoms for repeat one, all,
> AND off?
>

Yes.

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Oscar Marsh
2003-12-02, 13:14
Dean

I've only had this problem since version 5. I'd be happy to send an
example MP3 for you to listen to in a software app as well as on a
SLIMP3 unit. I'm keen to sort this out.

To reiterate: it appears that SlimServer is not sending the first
segment or so of an MP3 to the SLIMP3 decoder. When I listen to a tune
with the first beat at the *very start* of the MP3 file, I can usually
tell that the whole first beat has been cut from the stream.

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dean
2003-12-02, 14:21
Oscar,

Please send me a sample file directly.

-dean

On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:14 PM, Oscar Marsh wrote:

> Dean
>
> I've only had this problem since version 5. I'd be happy to send an
> example MP3 for you to listen to in a software app as well as on a
> SLIMP3 unit. I'm keen to sort this out.
>
> To reiterate: it appears that SlimServer is not sending the first
> segment or so of an MP3 to the SLIMP3 decoder. When I listen to a tune
> with the first beat at the *very start* of the MP3 file, I can usually
> tell that the whole first beat has been cut from the stream.
>
> Oscar Marsh
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>

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-04, 13:35
I'm still experiencing this issue but it appears no-one else is. It's a
bit frustrating. Any progress?

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dean
2003-12-04, 14:33
Oscar,

What operating system are you running?
Can you send me one of the files to test here?

Thanks,

dean

On Dec 4, 2003, at 12:35 PM, Oscar Marsh wrote:

> I'm still experiencing this issue but it appears no-one else is. It's
> a bit frustrating. Any progress?
>
> Oscar Marsh
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>

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-04, 15:19
> What operating system are you running?
> Can you send me one of the files to test here?
>

Dean

I did. It must've got lost. I'll try again.

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Ron Thigpen
2003-12-17, 08:09
Oscar Marsh wrote:

> To reiterate: it appears that SlimServer is not sending the first
> segment or so of an MP3 to the SLIMP3 decoder. When I listen to a tune
> with the first beat at the *very start* of the MP3 file, I can usually
> tell that the whole first beat has been cut from the stream.


I am having this problem as well. Was there any resolution?

--rt

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-17, 17:28
On 17 Dec 2003, at 15:09, Ron Thigpen wrote:

> Oscar Marsh wrote:
>
>> To reiterate: it appears that SlimServer is not sending the first
>> segment or so of an MP3 to the SLIMP3 decoder. When I listen to a
>> tune with the first beat at the *very start* of the MP3 file, I can
>> usually tell that the whole first beat has been cut from the stream.
>
>
> I am having this problem as well. Was there any resolution?

Hi Ron

No, not yet, as far as I can tell. I sent Dean an MP3 which had the
characteristics detailed above, and he couldn't reproduce the problem.
I've traced it to the nightly build from 2003-11-20. It's my opinion
that some code went in at that point that screwed things up (I'm not a
developer). I've actually tried clean installs of SlimServer on two
different Mac OS X boxen, with the same issue arising in both cases.

Dean suggested a possible clash between SlimServer and user-installed
PERL modules but I haven't installed any.

My network is not the problem, either... Plugging in the Mac directly
to the same router as the SLIMP3 makes no difference.

One more thing to add: I've tested the linux versions of SlimServer
5.0.0 and 5.0.1 (on a very old machine) and none of the missing audio
symptoms are evident there.

Can you explain exactly what you're experiencing? It'd be great to have
someone to back me up :) Can I ask OS X 10.3 users to test their music,
listening carefully in particular to the beginning of each track? Try
tracks from dance compilations where the music starts right at the 0'th
point of the file. You *will* notice something, if it's not just my
setup!

Phew, end of extremely long email. Here's hoping it's not just some
stupid mistake I've made.

Cheers
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Ron Thigpen
2003-12-18, 07:40
Oscar Marsh wrote:

> Can you explain exactly what you're experiencing? It'd be great to have
> someone to back me up :) Can I ask OS X 10.3 users to test their music,
> listening carefully in particular to the beginning of each track? Try
> tracks from dance compilations where the music starts right at the 0'th
> point of the file. You *will* notice something, if it's not just my setup!


I was definitely having a similar problem with WinXP and
SlimServer5.0.1. I was missing maybe a quarter to a third of a second
at the beginning of tracks. Tracks were fine played back on the PC.
The problem is since gone for me. Changes made: updated to 12.17
nightly build of the server, tweaked some settings in my NIC driver. I
was looking to solve a different issue, and therefore didn't isolate the
change that resolved this one.

It sounds like you've eliminated the music files and the network as
culprits. You should focus on the host box h/w, OS and SlimServer s/w.
You might try a nightly of the SlimServer and make sure you have the
latest drivers for your network interface device. If there are NIC
settings, you may want to try tweaking those. Be careful to read up on
the changes you're making and to record the present setting so you can
roll back.

--rt

Oscar Marsh
2003-12-18, 13:09
Hi Ron. Thanks for your questions and suggestions:

> Changes made: updated to 12.17 nightly build of the server,

Good, I've tried a few nightly builds too. No change since build
2003-11-20, when it all started. The build of this morning, 2003-12-18,
is the same

> tweaked some settings in my NIC driver.

and that'd be the Network Preference Pane as it's a Mac. Remember,
nothing important has changed on my server machine, including network
settings, except the version of SlimServer. The network (iBook server
-> switch -> router -> SLIMP3) has not been reconfigured. 5.0.0 handled
track starts in much the same way as the previous 4.x versions had,
i.e., it worked.

>
> It sounds like you've eliminated the music files and the network as
> culprits.

Yes :)

> You should focus on the host box h/w, OS

Neither have changed since 5.0.0,

> and SlimServer s/w.

rolling back to 5.0.0 eliminates the problem. I don't want to stay with
5.0.0, naturally.

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