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anwars
2006-08-04, 01:51
Hi,

It strikes me that the DS Lite's Opera based browser and touchscreen could be a great, cheap control for Slimserver.
Has anyone tried it.
Another idea is a 'fat client' that is made available as a 'game' cartridge for Slimserver remote control.

These could help compete with the Sonos controller.

Mark Lanctot
2006-08-04, 06:01
Hi,

It strikes me that the DS Lite's Opera based browser and touchscreen could be a great, cheap control for Slimserver.
Has anyone tried it.

It's been discussed before. I don't think anyone has made it work.

It's a good idea though as the DS is widely available and pretty cheap.


Another idea is a 'fat client' that is made available as a 'game' cartridge for Slimserver remote control.

Development materials for a cartridge are on the order of several hundred thousand dollars...

Jacob Potter
2006-08-04, 06:58
On 8/4/06, Mark Lanctot
<Mark.Lanctot.2c0o2b1154696701 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> Development materials for a cartridge are on the order of several
> hundred thousand dollars...

Development materials for a skin, though, are very cheap :)

There are conflicting reports as to whether the version of Opera on
the DS supports XMLHttpRequest (although it does have Javascript), so
any fancy AJAX stuff would would require some workarounds, but it
could be done. Of course, it's sort of irrelevant for most of us until
the browser is available in English...

- Jacob

ThetaReactor
2006-11-05, 21:43
Why is everyone assuming that DS development is horribly expensive? Sure, commercial development is. There is, however, a very thriving homebrew community for the device. The necessary hardware to run custom apps can be had for well under a hundred bucks, and libraries and tutorials abound.

http://nintendo-ds.dcemu.co.uk/

methane
2006-12-12, 10:12
Speaking of that, check out this thread. I think this is running on DS Linux, it's a graphical web-browser which is homebrew. The thing to do, IMHO, would be to try to take the code for this, and tailor it specifically to interface with the Slimserver. To use the two screens seperatly.

http://www.dslinux.org/blogs/pepsiman/?p=75

thing-fish
2006-12-12, 12:20
It strikes me that the DS Lite's Opera based browser and touchscreen could be a great, cheap control for Slimserver. Has anyone tried it.

I haven't yet, but I *can't wait*. At this moment they haven't released the software in the US yet, but I'm thinking pretty seriously about buying an import from ebay, for exactly the usage you describe above. Rather than carrying the laptop around I could just have the Nintendo DS as the full web-interfaced remote. That would RULE and I can't wait!

zuvembi
2006-12-12, 15:47
I haven't yet, but I *can't wait*. At this moment they haven't released the software in the US yet, but I'm thinking pretty seriously about buying an import from ebay, for exactly the usage you describe above. Rather than carrying the laptop around I could just have the Nintendo DS as the full web-interfaced remote. That would RULE and I can't wait!

Eh, if you want I can fire it up when I get home and see how well it works. The Japanese version of DS-Opera is very usable for English speakers.

Anyone have any suggestions as to which skin I should use for it?

fgj
2006-12-26, 15:53
Did you try it? Others with experience in using Nintendo DS Browser to control SB?

zuvembi
2006-12-26, 16:47
I did give it a fiddle. It worked fairly well with the handheld skin. I think if someone spent some time making a skin for it - like the Nokia 770 has, it could be nice to use.

For me, it's not terribly useful as I currently have a laptop sitting in the kitchen next to the Squeezebox. I'd rather use my DS for playing games. Which reminds me, I need to go back and finish FF III.

zingerhill
2007-06-05, 10:20
I just bought the DS Browser for $30. I bought it primarily to use as a SqueezeBox remote. I tried it at the office and it worked pretty well. The stylus makes it much easier to use than the PSP browser. Can't wait to give it a shot with SlimServer.

Has anyone else tried this and found a skin that works well?

methane
2007-06-07, 11:56
So, tell us, how did it work? for $30, I'm thinking of getting the browser but I haven't yet found any good writeups on how well it works with gmail, slimserver, googlemaps, flickr, etc. Those are the sites I would want to use.

Milhouse
2007-06-10, 18:43
Development materials for a cartridge are on the order of several hundred thousand dollars...

The R4DS (http://r4ds.net/) catridge system allows homebrew development on the DS using a microSD memory card for storage - cost: ~$40.

bobharp
2007-06-11, 05:10
Any reviews yet??

shadowboxer
2007-06-12, 07:45
Ordered one today from Newegg. ($34.95 ups 3 day) Both my kids have ds lites. Should have it by weekend. Will report back when it comes in on how it does as a slimserver remote.

Looks pretty interesting: here is a link to the opera site which has some screen shots--actually allows you to combine both screens. Hmmmmmmm.

http://www.opera.com/products/devices/nintendo/ds/features/

zingerhill
2007-06-12, 09:50
I've had a chance to use this thing for about a week now so here are some thoughts:

1. You should think of this as a good WAP phone browser. It really pales in comparison to any computer browser or even the Wii browser. It is very slow to render pages and has a lot of problems with complex sites. The PSP browser is better at rendering pages. I actually think the browser in my phone is faster (LG VX8600). Although, I think it claims to be able to do flash, but I haven't gotten it to work.

2. It's a real pain to have to insert a cartridge to browse the web. I know this is the nature of the beast, but I tend to play one game at a time. Having to bring the separate browser cart makes it less useful. I probably should have thought about this first.

3. The navigation with the touch screen works pretty well. Touching links and zooming is pretty cool.

4. It does a pretty good job with the handheld skin for SlimServer. It's a little slow, but definitely does the job. This is why I got it, so it's definitely a plus.

Bottom Line
Is it worth $30? It depends on what you are using it for. I bought it to use as a remote for the slim server. It works ok, but having to insert a cartridge every time I want to use it is much more of a problem than I thought it would be. Try the web browser on your phone. If you want something a little bit better this might be for you. I may end up selling it. It's neat to play with for a while, but I think it really shows the technical limitations of the DS.

PS- To the person asking about gmail and flickr, I used the mobile versions of these sites and it worked well. The regular versions, in my opinion, are not usable.

bobharp
2007-06-12, 09:54
zingerhill,

Thanks for the review.

bruceleecc
2007-09-10, 10:30
Hopefully this review doesn't end the discussion or attemps at developing a feasible DS remote. This would be a huge addition, since the only complaint I can see with the SB3 is lack of a great visual interface. The LED is nice, but if you just want to browse through your collection it is not so slick.

Would developing a DS specific skin help browsing speed?

Could you load the browsing software from a GBA cartridge? This would reduce the need to switch out cartridges for gaming.

lucas72
2008-02-20, 03:42
Any news about this?! I just got a DS-Lite.... :D

thing-fish
2008-02-20, 10:30
Any news about this?! I just got a DS-Lite.... :D

Check out zingerhill's review above. As excited as I was, the way Nintendo implemented the Opera browser makes it pretty much a no-go for pick-up-and-go use the way you'd want it for squeezebox control. I used it at a party one time, where I had the DS outside with me. It was about a 90 second process to turn the DS on, have it wake up, reconnect to the network, re-load the latest version of the server's page, and then finally click the button to change the volume or the track.

ShadowWar
2008-02-20, 13:48
I agree with zingerhill and thing-fish: slow, but just about usable with handheld skin. The DS has a very nice toggle between Overview (1 screen shows a zoomed in view of the other) and SSR (Small Screen Rendering) which is useful. However, the nature of the SlimServer / SqueezeCenter interface is there's a lot to display and it means you will have to scroll around quite a lot. One of the problems is the add-on cartridge which fits in the GBA slot only contains 10MB of RAM - you constantly have to let the DS Browser clear its cache. I'm waiting for the Duet Controller...

P.S. Methane: if you're interested - Hotmail will not work.

lucas72
2008-02-20, 14:08
Thank you both, I'm just playing with the DS and... I definetely agree, frustrating.

lnic999
2008-11-15, 18:42
Hi everyone,

I have a DS Lite and considering purchasing the Web Browser software. Apart from wanting to access the internet, I'd also like a quick and dirty way of creating simple quizzes for my kids. I'm wondering:

1/ What javascript support comes with the browser? If I had my questions as jpegs / GIF images, I'm assuming the browser would support tags to display these? I could then create a simple HTML file.

2/ Could I somehow incorporate the handwriting recognition capabilities using javascript? It would be great if the question is displayed (e.g. as a jpeg as above) on one screen and a box appears on the other, into which the answer can be written using the stylus. Could something like the <canvas> tag be used? Or could a special DS Lite handwriting recognition routine/service be invoked by the javascript?

Any comments / suggestions gratefully received!

Thanks in advance, Lisa.