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Mike Meyer
2006-07-17, 11:38
There are certain bands/artists that the critics and fans alike just love. They've been around a long time and have a huge fan base and anything they put out sells a ton. This thread will allow us to fess up and proclaim that for certain artists....we just don't get it!

For me the big ones that stand out are Bob Dylan and REM. It's easy for me to know why I don't like them. I can't stand their voices. Bob might be able to write a great tune but he seriously can't sing (to my ears). And Mr. Stipe has kind of a nasally voice that I can't listen to either.

Again, both have been around a long time and have a huge following. But I just can't stand 'em.

Honorable mention: CCR (Creedence Clearwater Revival)

Mark Lanctot
2006-07-17, 11:45
May I be the first to say Diana Krall?

For that matter, I guess I don't understand the massive interest everyone has in jazz. Am I the only person to not get it? Am I the only one to hate it? (I don't think so, one of my favourite artists, The Presidents of the United States of America, has a song called Jazz Guy which nicely states my thoughts on this.)

I like REM and it's blasphemy that you suggest CCR ;-) but I'm with you on Dylan.

TCM
2006-07-17, 13:24
I'm going to be crucified, but I have to nominate - *drumroll*:

ROLLING STONES!

For long and tedious service in the rock and roll business.




Honorable mention: CCR

CCR?



.

NookZ
2006-07-17, 14:16
....Katie Melua yet, but by god she's boring.

I'm with the original poster about REM and Bob Dylan, but feel I must uphold the reputation of The Rolling Stones - me being English and all that.......

radish
2006-07-17, 14:31
I like the "classic" REM of a few years ago, but since Monster I've lost interest. Maybe I have a thing for bad singers though, I also list New Order and the Pet Shop Boys in my top 5 artists :)

To answer your original question, there are a lot of supposedly great artists I don't like but that's usually because I simply don't like the style of music they make (e.g. Jazz, most Rock, R&B etc). In general if I don't like the genre I will avoid judging the artists because it's not my area of expertise. I make an exception for Celine Dion though. I never need to hear that voice again.

In terms of the music I _do_ know something about, Moby is hugely overrated IMHO. His voice is weak and the compositions & melodies are so simplistic and juvenille I can't listen to them.

funkstar
2006-07-17, 15:27
This is going to annoy me. i know there are bands/artists that i just don't have time for, for no particular reason. Just can't think of any right now :/

Skunk
2006-07-17, 19:07
I'm not sure who I like less, Dave Matthew's Band- or their fans.

fathom39
2006-07-17, 19:16
For me, DMB is right down there, just one slot above Sufjan Stevens.

Pale Blue Ego
2006-07-17, 19:56
I've liked Progressive Rock for decades, but King Crimson does nothing for me. I liked Fripp's album with David Sylvian, though.

funkstar
2006-07-18, 01:38
Just thought of a few (there will be more)

Morrisey - Just can't stand the guy, both his music and the person when i've heard him interviewed.
The Smiths - See above
The Arctic Monkeys - They just annoy me really.

Mark Lanctot
2006-07-18, 15:40
I'm not sure who I like less, Dave Matthew's Band- or their fans.

Can't say I particularly like 'em either, but it works as an aphrodisiac for at least one forum member:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=121900&postcount=4

So I would most certainly be willing to overlook my personal tastes. ;-)

Michaelwagner
2006-07-18, 19:35
If you don't like Dylan, you also won't like Leonard Cohen.

tomsi42
2006-07-19, 00:48
If you don't like Dylan, you also won't like Leonard Cohen.

Not necessarily. I don't like Dylan, but Cohen is OK.

delbz
2006-07-19, 02:42
Greatful Dead for mine - I just don't understand the huge following.

All Rap Music just escapes me (except some Eminem tracks).
And what's the story with the "Death Metal" bands?

blah509
2006-07-19, 18:23
For me, DMB is right down there, just one slot above Sufjan Stevens.

Sufjan Stevens is my absolute #1!!!

I can't believe I spent money on him....argggg.

g

Craig
2006-07-20, 12:29
For my vote it has to be DMB for being so incredibly anal and Oasis for being a bunch of talentless morons.

Of cause, your opinions may differ :-)

Craig

windowshade
2006-07-20, 18:58
In a word: Deerhoof.

TiredLegs
2006-07-21, 08:08
I'm going to be crucified, but I have to nominate - *drumroll*:
ROLLING STONES!
As a long time Stones fan, I must reluctantly agree with you. I love their early stuff, but most of their albums in the last 15 years would never have made it to the store shelves, much less become top sellers, if they didn't have the Rolling Stones name attached to them. Imagine an unknown band trying to release an album like Voodoo Lounge. They would have been laughed out of the record company offices.

Besides the artists others have already mentioned, and the obvious targets like Britney Spears, my favorites (or least favorites) in this category:
- Prince (I saw him live once, and I could only scratch my head as to why anybody thought he was worth listening to.)
- Billy Joel (Come on, anybody who sings "Uptown Girl" can't be taken seriously.)
- David Bowie (I used to like some of his stuff. Then one day I was just listening to it, and I start thinking, "How the heck did I ever like this crap?")

bludragon
2006-07-21, 13:41
Coldplay have to top my list for most dissappointing, I went to see them live once. 1 song sounded good. 2 in a row started to become dull, and after the 3rd song I was in pain.

Simply Red for most painfull to listen too. I'll never forgive them for 'fairground'

funkstar
2006-07-21, 15:15
Coldplay have to top my list for most dissappointing, I went to see them live once. 1 song sounded good. 2 in a row started to become dull, and after the 3rd song I was in pain.
Their first album was good, the others are nothing special IMHO :)

Craig
2006-07-22, 02:42
I'll add a vote for Coldplay. The fact that I forgot about them speaks volumes :-)

Craig

fairyliquidizer
2006-07-22, 09:06
U2 (liked the early years) and
Queen (hate the vocals, sorry Freddy)

narlus
2006-07-23, 06:52
I'm not sure who I like less, Dave Matthew's Band- or their fans.

well said; that's funny and accurate.

on the diana krall thing, i loathe jazz w/ vocals, but totally dig the free/ecstatic jazz of the prime Impulse!, Actuel/BYG and El Saturn era.

Michaelwagner
2006-07-23, 07:06
Queen (hate the vocals, sorry Freddy)
He won't care. He's dead.

Patrick Dixon
2006-07-24, 04:46
I'm not sure who I like less, Dave Matthew's Band- or their fans.
Have a listen to 'Some Devil' which is really very good and (I think) a bit different to the Dave Matthews Band stuff. It's also beautifully recorded.

I don't know anything about 'their fans', so I don't understand why you don't like them. Perhaps it's an American thing?

Skunk
2006-07-24, 05:42
I don't know anything about 'their fans', so I don't understand why you don't like them. Perhaps it's an American thing?

Perhaps. I would venture that 86% of DMB fans are/were members of a fraternity/sorority, at least here in the US. I suppose there's nothing fundamentally wrong with that, but the groupthink mentality turns me off.

I somehow ended up at one of their shows.. I think a girl convinced me. It was just like being at a frat party. Like Jimmy Buffet for young people or something. Anyway- that was the source of my generalization.

It probably doesn't help that I'm a fan of The Grateful Dead and Phish, especially live, which are completely different experiences from a DMB concert.

captain-insano
2006-07-29, 20:15
The Dead nuff Said.

NWP
2006-07-30, 07:06
Radiohead - I don't hate them, but I don't understand why so many people think they're great. Their music bores me.

TomDac
2006-07-30, 11:36
Radiohead - I don't hate them, but I don't understand why so many people think they're great. Their music bores me.

Yeah.. I had that same kinda feeling about Radiohead. Then a friend let me borrow "OK Computer" and "The Bends" and I was hooked.. I think you either love 'em or hate 'em.. I love 'em.

hifisteve
2006-07-31, 00:59
My list is long but some of the worst offenders would be:

Radiohead - music to make you top yourself

Coldplay - Parachutes, the must over-hyped album ever

Later-day Stones - Gents, you're embarrassing yourselves

Simply Red - Showed such promise with Picture Book but then Mick's head vanished up his own arse.

Seineseeker
2006-07-31, 02:52
I have to agree with a fair few listed.
REM once they settled into monotony around 1987 and since
Radiohead - I've tried, I've really tried, but this music takes me nowhere
Simply Red - Awful
Coldplay - though I do like the song Talk.

I tell you who is critically aclaimed and really good tho, its embarrassing as I have only just discovered him: Beck. Well I hated the song loser and thought most of his stuff would be like that.

TimM
2006-07-31, 04:09
Can't argue with a lot of the suggestions

Coldplay - too dull for words
Radiohead - post Kid A, sorry guys' you're not as good/clever as you think you are. Thanks for trying, indeed being very trying
U2 - after Boy they have become Irelands answer to Status Quo
Oasis - UK lads culture at it's worst, at best the 1st 2 albums are ok, but that really is stretching it a lot.
Simply Dead - If only
Dido - redifining the boundaries of dull

Seineseeker - don't be embarrassed about Beck, I thought he was overrated for ages, but for some reason really 'got' him after midnight vultures.

T

TomDac
2006-07-31, 05:59
Bjork - a wailing sound that hurts my ears.
SugarCubes - Bjork's first band. Heavy suckage.
Dave Matthews Band - I just don't get them.
Greatful Dead - "Touch of Grey" was good. Don't get the rest.
Bob Dylan - Can't sing to save his life.
The Wallflowers - Bob Dylan's kid. One hit wonder.
Rolling Stones - The song "Bitch" kicks a$$, but nothing else they've done moves me at all.
U2 - After "Unforgettable Fire" they sold out and went downhill. I change the station if they're on.

jtfields
2006-07-31, 08:21
Currently the most overratted in my opinion is U2. I actually like them (the Joshua Tree and All That You Can't Leave Behind are great albums) but this thing where they've been annointed the "greatest rock & roll band in the world"...please.

There are a lot of older bands that I never understood why some people are so obsessed with them such as the Grateful Dead, Led Zep and Dylan. Not that I don't like them (well, I don't like Dylan at all), I just never understood the almost cult following that they had.

Journey. Now there's a real band. :)

NookZ
2006-07-31, 08:26
....just don't do it for me I'm afraid.

It looks like they're trying too hard to be cool....

(I must be getting old)

TiredLegs
2006-07-31, 10:48
Journey. Now there's a real band. :)
Cough, cough, as I spew apple juice out my nose. I seriously hope you're joking.

Seineseeker
2006-08-01, 04:16
Cough, cough, as I spew apple juice out my nose. I seriously hope you're joking.

Ah yes Journey, the thing was they had the perfect sound for their time, the problem was the time was something like March 30th 1982 at around 4.20pm, before and after that time they just sounded terrible!

fairyliquidizer
2006-08-01, 04:46
Ah yes Journey, the thing was they had the perfect sound for their time, the problem was the time was something like March 30th 1982 at around 4.20pm, before and after that time they just sounded terrible!

You forgot to mention perfect sound for their place.... their place being San Francisco and their year of formation being 1973 with perhaps their time being 1981 I'd say, but the March 30th 420PM sounds right.

Fairy

nicktf
2006-08-01, 05:24
Madonna, U2, Rolling Stones, Yes, Rush, Oasis, Amy Winehouse, James Blunt, Black Sabbath, Any of those country bands/singers that are huge in the US and unheard of anywhere else, Gwen Stefani (stop screeching at me!)...I'm sure there are many more.

Number one would probably be Coldplay, who define the phrase "pointless noodling" for me. Seems a lot of fuss about the DMB - don't think they could get arrested over here in the UK. (Unless their tour bus dropped a ton of sh*te onto a pleasure boat, but that could NEVER happen :-)

I'm puzzled by most new stuff - Lily Allen, FFS! I'll really miss Top of the Pops which I'd compulsively watch so I could carp on about how rubbish modern bands are. Truly I have turned into my father!

As for "historic" bands - Big Brother and the Holding Company. Seriously, Janis was OK, but those guys were the worst guitar stranglers ever to strum a string in anger. Listen to their "soloing" in Summertime and wince.

Kyle
2006-08-01, 06:34
Any of those country bands/singers that are huge in the US and unheard of anywhere else

I'm no big fan of country music, but does this statement strike anyone else as a staggeringly broad generalization and just slightly xenophobic?

Skunk
2006-08-01, 06:52
I'm no big fan of country music, but does this statement strike anyone else as a staggeringly broad generalization and just slightly xenophobic?

Well certainly there are some such bands. His use of 'any' doesn't imply generalization, just that he can't stand the ones that are unheard of anywhere else. I always imagined only people in the US listened to country anyway.

I'd agree though, modern country music is laughable at best. I sometimes watch the videos on CountryMusicTelevision for comic relief.

Kyle
2006-08-01, 06:58
Well if he in the UK is familiar enough with them to know he doesn't like them, they must at least be "heard" somewhere else, if not "heard of." In truth, there are some very fine musicians playing country music, and its influence on other genres is undeniable.

radish
2006-08-01, 07:04
That's why I posted that I only judge artists who play in genres I actually like. I hate Country music, and that makes me entirely unqualified to judge Country artists :)

Seineseeker
2006-08-01, 07:13
I'm no big fan of country music, but does this statement strike anyone else as a staggeringly broad generalization and just slightly xenophobic?

Where's the xenophobia in that, there are plenty of bands (country and otherwise) that are huge in the US and not so big elsewhere.

Kyle
2006-08-01, 07:39
"Not so big" and "unheard of" are two entirely different phrases. The latter, to me, smacks of condescension. Perhaps it was not intended that way.

nicktf
2006-08-01, 14:42
I'm no big fan of country music, but does this statement strike anyone else as a staggeringly broad generalization and just slightly xenophobic?

...Well, this whole thread is merely opinion, so I reserve the right to make mine as broad as I like...I'm sorry if you take what I've written as Xenophobic, my wife is American, and every time I'm in the States, I'm really struck by the large number of mega-selling bands who just don't feature in the UK mainstream. It's probably for the same reason that finger-in-your-ear Morris music doesn't tend to escape the boundaries of England.

...Though it does occur to me that I possess the entire back catalogue of the Indigo Girls...

Kyle
2006-08-01, 15:21
my wife is American

Guess that explains it :). My uncle lives in Dorset. In fact, we're visiting next week. Cheers.

Philip Meyer
2006-08-02, 00:24
>Indigo Girls
Nothing to be ashamed of - I have a few of their albums too. I wouldn't class them as country though (I hate all country music too, except I guess the Eagles could be classed semi country?).

Phil

Skunk
2006-08-02, 05:09
I think 'can't stand' is a bit harsh, but I don't like Elvis Costello. I've known a couple people who think he's god
:scratch head:

jtfields
2006-08-03, 10:25
Cough, cough, as I spew apple juice out my nose. I seriously hope you're joking.

Of course I was joking (although they've probably out sold the majority of the bands that everyone on this list loves.)

I will admit that I'm somewhat of a closet fan though. I don't go out of my way to play them but if a Journey song comes on the radio...so be it. ;) If you dated girls back in the 80's you had to listen to a little Journey every now and then. :)

I read a review of one of the older Journey albums once, I think in Rolling Stone, that described Steve Perry's voice like "a seal being beaten with a stick." Ouch!!! The dude did hit notes sometimes that no dude should be hitting.

exile
2006-08-11, 11:35
with all due respect to personal likes and dislikes, I don't think it's important to understand why certain artists are popular. If we all had a clear understanding of musical taste then we might run the risk of all having the same tastes in music and I think that would be awful for the simple reason that it would be mighty hard to get turned onto new and different music.

the magic of discovering new or old music seems to be the best part of being a music fan but that's just my take.

and even if you don't appreciate dylan, blood on the tracks is a work of majesty.

Philip Meyer
2006-10-06, 14:22
>Can't believe nobody has mentioned UB40.
Agreed - truely awful!

Phil

Smiler33
2006-10-06, 23:44
I think Coldplay and that style of British group.
Non-offensive enough to chart high but what are they on about.
What are you supposed to do when you go and see them live? You can't dance to it, theres no heavy rock element to mosh to. Have to stand there I suppose (or sitdown) ...

NookZ
2006-10-09, 07:18
I think Coldplay and that style of British group.
Non-offensive enough to chart high but what are they on about.
What are you supposed to do when you go and see them live? You can't dance to it, theres no heavy rock element to mosh to. Have to stand there I suppose (or sitdown) ...

In the same vein I have to nominate Embrace - their last couple of albums have been total drivel, including the truely horrendous offical England World Cup football song.

At least The Good Will Out, Drawn From Memory and If You've Never Been had some substance. I blame Chris Martin myself :o)

coffeebucket
2006-10-10, 01:21
I don't know about critically acclaimed but, with only one studio album, I think Jeff Buckley gets more attention than he deserves. I've listened to "Grace" on many occasions and I just don't get it.

tomsi42
2006-10-11, 13:21
with all due respect to personal likes and dislikes, I don't think it's important to understand why certain artists are popular. If we all had a clear understanding of musical taste then we might run the risk of all having the same tastes in music and I think that would be awful for the simple reason that it would be mighty hard to get turned onto new and different music.

I think there is too much marketing in the music today, so we get bombarded with hyped up crap this days; and the the artist the push ain't what they're cracked up to be...



the magic of discovering new or old music seems to be the best part of being a music fan but that's just my take.


It's just so difficult to find stuff that's good these days.

funkstar
2006-10-12, 09:23
It's just so difficult to find stuff that's good these days.
Depends on what you are into. Most of my new discoveries come from BBC 6Music (http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/) They do play some main stream stuff, but their strap line is "Closer to the music that matters" so you don't get all the usual just of commercial stations.

Michaelwagner
2006-10-12, 09:27
their strap line is "Closer to the music that matters"
Funkstar: is this a spelling mistake or a term I've never heard of?

funkstar
2006-10-12, 09:36
A bit of both :)

Should have been strapline
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=define:+strapline&spell=1

tomsi42
2006-10-12, 12:57
Depends on what you are into. Most of my new discoveries come from BBC 6Music (http://www.bbc.co.uk/6music/) They do play some main stream stuff, but their strap line is "Closer to the music that matters" so you don't get all the usual just of commercial stations.

Is there a slimserver compatible stream ?

funkstar
2006-10-12, 14:58
There is a WMA stream and a RealAudio stream. If you install AlienBBC, 6Music is already set up in there. As there is a WMA stream too, you can just tune to that.

Click on "Listen Live (Win Media)", then right click and properties on "Listen using stand-alone Windows Media Player". Coly the URL into SqueezeNetwork or SlimServers radio tune in section.

kefa
2006-10-14, 02:00
Just thought of a few (there will be more)

Morrisey - Just can't stand the guy, both his music and the person when i've heard him interviewed.
The Smiths - See above
The Arctic Monkeys - They just annoy me really.

couldn't agree more. my g'friend loves all of these but I just can't stand them, 'specially morrisey's moany voice. (hope that doesn't sound too moany!)

TCM
2006-10-14, 22:24
couldn't agree more. my g'friend loves all of these but I just can't stand them, 'specially morrisey's moany voice. (hope that doesn't sound too moany!)

I'm hurt! Really really hurt!:-D

Could it be your location? Damn those Gunners!:-D:-D:-D:-D

Chippy
2006-11-15, 11:23
Coldplay - though I do like the song Talk.


The riff from 'Talk' is directly lifted from 'Computer Love' by Kraftwerk. That might explain why you like it!!

MelonMonkey
2006-11-15, 19:03
I know this post won't earn me any friends, but instead of a band, I'll say this thread. I simply can't understand how such a useless subject has earned this many posts.

Oh wait... I just added one. Doh!

Creed, Nickelback, Default, Staind and any number of other bands that sound EXACTLY the same. And bad to my ears.

fairyliquidizer
2006-12-02, 18:48
Whitney, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, etc. Warbly whiney chick music...

Mark Lanctot
2006-12-06, 11:45
Whitney, Mariah Carey, Christina Aguilera, etc. Warbly whiney chick music...

Many of them also shout rather than sing.

Eugh.

tomsi42
2006-12-06, 14:27
Many of them also shout rather than sing.

Eugh.

It's more like screams (screech?) The better your Hifi the worse it sounds!

Mark Lanctot
2006-12-06, 14:34
It's more like screams (screech?)

Yep. They also like to hold the note and seem to think it's the height of musical skill to carry the note on for far too long, far too loud. Ear-splitting.


The better your Hifi the worse it sounds!

I would never, ever have any of that fluff move my speaker drivers. They sure seem to like it in grocery stores, where the PA-style speakers and warehouse-like acoustics enhance the whole miserable experience. (As if grocery shopping wasn't bad enough to begin with.)

tomsi42
2006-12-06, 16:54
I would never, ever have any of that fluff move my speaker drivers.

That does not happen here either, but I have had the misfortune to hear a snippet or two at a show (They called it a Hifi-show...). My ears still hurts ;)

Tom

peejay
2006-12-06, 21:21
I know this post won't earn me any friends, but instead of a band, I'll say this thread. I simply can't understand how such a useless subject has earned this many posts.

Oh wait... I just added one. Doh!

Creed, Nickelback, Default, Staind and any number of other bands that sound EXACTLY the same. And bad to my ears.

Who can tell the difference between any of these? I think the lead singer moonlights between the lot of them....

ezkcdude
2006-12-08, 10:32
Slightly OT, but judging by the Grammy nominations, there appears to be an even bigger gap between critical success and music awards, than there is with movies and Oscars.

PhilNYC
2006-12-10, 06:36
Am late to this thread...but for me, I just can't get into Nirvana....

peejay
2006-12-10, 16:47
Well, I'm sure to get hung, drawn and quartered for this one, but I think the Beatles should have been taken off all playlists sometime in the late 70s, and all their albums locked in a cupboard, forever.....

Mark Lanctot
2006-12-10, 17:07
Well, I'm sure to get hung, drawn and quartered for this one, but I think the Beatles should have been taken off all playlists sometime in the late 70s, and all their albums locked in a cupboard, forever.....

Thank goodness someone had the courage to say it.

I guess I don't get what all the fuss is about. They're OK I guess.

I believe it's a generational thing. I wasn't around to see the revolution in music they caused, and I'm guessing you weren't either.

2 summers ago I was stuck at a hotel near Chicago O'Hare (Hyatt Regency O'Hare to be specific) when my flight to Toronto was cancelled. They were having a Beatles convention. I was trying to have dinner - the music was on a neverending loop. The conversation at the table next to me was bizarre - they were talking about The Beatles like I would talk about movies. "Such and such was released in '66" "No, such and such was released in '67, produced by so-and-so" "Wasn't whoozits their producer at the time?" "No it was whats-his-face". Takes all kinds I guess.

mrfantasy
2006-12-10, 17:26
What's the deal with Beck? Admittedly, I haven't analyzed every single album, but I don't understand why he's considered a musical god, while whenever I hear his songs they sound out of tune, noodling, and generally incoherent.

tomsi42
2006-12-11, 08:14
I believe it's a generational thing. I wasn't around to see the revolution in music they caused, and I'm guessing you weren't either.


It's a generational thing, among other reasons. At the time it you liked the Beatles or the Rolling Stones. It was a time of great change (Vietnam war, hippies, free love/drugs etc), and Beatles changed with it.

A great Norwegian book (Beatles by Lars Saabye Christensen) describes growing up in Oslo at end of the 60's and catches the mood perfectly. A great read - although I am not sure if it is translated to your language.

I am officially too young (about 10 years late), but I still like them myself.

Michaelwagner
2006-12-11, 08:26
I think the Beatles are a generational thing. The Beatles weren't just about music, they were part and parcel of a whole removing of restrictions and categorization, musically and in other ways, that was happening at the time.

The Beatles were innovators, in so many ways. For instance, they went and studied with Ravi Schankar, and brought back and integrated Indian citar music into pop. They made a music movie (Yellow Submarine) about 30 years before music videos.

If you just listen to their music now, devoid of the background against which it was made, yeah, some of it is a bit uninspired. Some of it, especially the early stuff, is just Check Berry with better equipment. Or Elvis. Or any number of black blues musicians. And it would be hard to imagine that any great innovations or inspirations came out of "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" or "My Bonnie".

Much as I like the Rolling Stones for their straight up rock'n'roll, it's all the same stuff they've done for the last 40 years. Like a broken record. At least the Beatles changed it up a bit.

Mark Lanctot
2006-12-11, 14:51
I think the Beatles are a generational thing. The Beatles weren't just about music, they were part and parcel of a whole removing of restrictions and categorization, musically and in other ways, that was happening at the time.

The Beatles were innovators, in so many ways. For instance, they went and studied with Ravi Schankar, and brought back and integrated Indian citar music into pop. They made a music movie (Yellow Submarine) about 30 years before music videos.

If you just listen to their music now, devoid of the background against which it was made, yeah, some of it is a bit uninspired. Some of it, especially the early stuff, is just Check Berry with better equipment. Or Elvis. Or any number of black blues musicians. And it would be hard to imagine that any great innovations or inspirations came out of "She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah" or "My Bonnie".

Very good point, I'm listening to it out of context. And the context is lost on me - I was born in the early '70s. :-)

I am much more familiar with '80s bands and I still like some of them, more for nostalgia than the music being all that good. I suppose that's what it's like with the Beatles for people ~20 years older than me.

ceejay
2006-12-11, 15:10
Well, I was around (whoops! showed my age!) ... the reason the Beatles sound so flat now is that every one of their innovations has long since entered the musical mainstream and been done over and over again, better, and with better equipment.

If you want to know what the fuss was about, compare the Beatles with the fluff that was around at the time - they introduced raw energy and passion that just hadn't been heard before.

Ceejay

Michaelwagner
2006-12-11, 15:48
I was born in the early '70s. :-)
A mere child! Let's just say, I could have children your age.

Mark Lanctot
2006-12-11, 15:50
A mere child!

Hmm, I was starting to feel very old looking at my 9-month old nephew (whose father is my YOUNGER brother).

Michaelwagner
2006-12-11, 16:00
I guess Ceejay posted roughly when I did. I think he's right on. It doesn't seem to innovative now because it has been so imitated. But it was at the time.

You can't really understand any innovative music out of context.

Swing era music is nice to listen to, but you understand so much more about it against the background of 2 completely different cultures, radio networks and recording industries, one black and one white, and then out comes "Bei Mir Bist Du Shaen", Yiddish lyrics by an all black singing group, sung with accurate accents.

It's not that the lyrics were so amazing or insightful, but that someone crossed colour & religious boundaries and bigotries to teach them that song.

It's not the fact that the bear is a great dancer that is amazing but that he can dance at all.

Phil Leigh
2006-12-19, 10:30
Radiohead
Coldplay

drewe181
2006-12-20, 18:23
Thank goodness someone had the courage to say it.

I guess I don't get what all the fuss is about. They're OK I guess.

I believe it's a generational thing. I wasn't around to see the revolution in music they caused, and I'm guessing you weren't either.

2 summers ago I was stuck at a hotel near Chicago O'Hare (Hyatt Regency O'Hare to be specific) when my flight to Toronto was cancelled. They were having a Beatles convention. I was trying to have dinner - the music was on a neverending loop. The conversation at the table next to me was bizarre - they were talking about The Beatles like I would talk about movies. "Such and such was released in '66" "No, such and such was released in '67, produced by so-and-so" "Wasn't whoozits their producer at the time?" "No it was whats-his-face". Takes all kinds I guess.

The Beatles are one of my favourite bands although I am in agreement. Mostly jingles. Silly themes (I Wanna Hold Your Hand?) But still damn listenable. Can't deny the impact they had on the music scene though. Nothing clever about the music except the producing techniques. I can't stand "yellow submarine". have to skip it every time it starts to play. Also, I can't stand Jet (poor, poor debut album) Radiohead (except Creep) Coldplay (I nearly fall asleep when i hear Yellow) oops! there's a theme there. I think I should stay away from any music with yellow in it

stinkingpig
2006-12-20, 18:44
New stuff: Radiohead, Pavement
Middle stuff: U2
Old stuff: Dire Straits, Steely Dan

Haven't listened to enough Coldplay to recognize the name, but I'm
sure it's probably one of those "turn off the radio before they get to
the chorus" bands :)
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Phil Leigh
2006-12-21, 03:46
I forgot U2
Except for Rattle & Hum which (controversially) I think is a great album.

funkstar
2007-01-25, 04:20
Jamie T

GAH!!

can't stand the guy, sounds like a complete idiot. 6Music insist on playing him though. grrrrrrr

Benway
2007-01-25, 16:06
Bjork - a wailing sound that hurts my ears.
SugarCubes - Bjork's first band. Heavy suckage.



Albeit she was in 2 bands (tappi tikarass & kukl) prior to the sugarcubes and a solo artist before that.

Benway
2007-01-25, 16:13
To go along with colplay you can add dido.

Sounds like music to commit suicide to to me.

stinkingpig
2007-01-25, 17:27
On 1/25/07, Benway <Benway.2kzoaz1169766902 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> To go along with colplay you can add dido.
>
> Sounds like music to commit suicide to to me.
>

I hate Dido. The Sugar Cubes' LP Life's Too Good was a pivotal one for
me though :) It was like a ray of light in a desert of classic rock...
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

stinkingpig
2007-01-25, 17:32
On 1/25/07, Jack Coates <jack (AT) monkeynoodle (DOT) org> wrote:

> I hate Dido. The Sugar Cubes' LP Life's Too Good was a pivotal one for
> me though :) It was like a ray of light in a desert of classic rock...
> --

Bjork on her own, not so much -- except for the album Gling Glo, which
is some really great jazz. Her growls and squeaks are really well
suited to jazz vocal.

--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

peejay
2007-01-26, 05:47
Lily Allen, what a boring piece of work. I could go on, but that music video she has released which shows her paying money to people to 'do over' her cheating boyfriend gives a very poor message, and just isn't a song which can carry the bad image anyway. I really hope this one fades quickly, so some talent can take its place.

funkstar
2007-01-26, 11:23
She isn't great, but some of her other stuff is quie interesting. I'm not a fan of her music, but she seems nice. Heard her being interviewed a couple of times and she sounded good then.

CardinalFang
2007-01-29, 04:03
I think 'can't stand' is a bit harsh, but I don't like Elvis Costello. I've known a couple people who think he's god
:scratch head:

His earlier stuff was magnificent, incredibly clever lyrics and two of my favourite songs are by him "Red Shoes" and "Alison". However, his later stuff just stinks, but that's usually the way with musicians, the early stuff when they are hungry and ambitious is usually a lot better than when they are well-fed/waited on and think they are serious artists.

David Bowie is another example, as is Prince. I used to love every Prince album, now you have to skip so many tracks. They all seem to try to be too clever, rather than keep it simple and make the song stand out. It's almost as though as they develop their musical skills, they feel as though they just have to use all the new abilities and ideas at the same time.

As for crticially acclaimed artists who I think stink, I have to put people like Amy Winehouse, Artic Monkeys and Pulp/Jarvis Cocker at the top of my list. Winehouse and COcker for their terrible vocals and Artic Monkeys for just being a lame copy of 70's new-wave and punk.

jeffmeh
2007-01-29, 05:18
Lily Allen, what a boring piece of work. I could go on, but that music video she has released which shows her paying money to people to 'do over' her cheating boyfriend gives a very poor message, and just isn't a song which can carry the bad image anyway. I really hope this one fades quickly, so some talent can take its place.

Agreed. Imagine reversing the genders on this one. If someone released a video where a girl cheats on a guy, so he beats her, destroys all of her property, and poisons her, all the while deriving sadistic pleasure, then the feminists would go berserk (at least here in the politically correct US).

stinkingpig
2007-01-30, 10:47
On 1/29/07, CardinalFang
<CardinalFang.2l656b1170068701 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Skunk;126121 Wrote:
> > I think 'can't stand' is a bit harsh, but I don't like Elvis Costello.
> > I've known a couple people who think he's god
> > :scratch head:
>
> His earlier stuff was magnificent, incredibly clever lyrics and two of
> my favourite songs are by him "Red Shoes" and "Alison". However, his
> later stuff just stinks, but that's usually the way with musicians, the
> early stuff when they are hungry and ambitious is usually a lot better
> than when they are well-fed/waited on and think they are serious
> artists.
>

Usually if they keep going after a Greatest Hits is issued, that's a
bad sign :) Armed Forces and Almost Blue are both excellent albums
from front to back.

> David Bowie is another example, as is Prince. I used to love every
> Prince album, now you have to skip so many tracks. They all seem to try
> to be too clever, rather than keep it simple and make the song stand
> out. It's almost as though as they develop their musical skills, they
> feel as though they just have to use all the new abilities and ideas at
> the same time.
>

Bowie is so uneven it's weird -- maybe the guy really is schizophrenic
and only one of the personalities is a good songwriter? Prince writes
great songs for other people to cover.

--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Skunk
2007-01-30, 14:56
Usually if they keep going after a Greatest Hits is issued, that's a
bad sign :) Armed Forces and Almost Blue are both excellent albums
from front to back.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

I listened to Armed Forces on cassette well into the existence of compact discs, but had to give his newer album (wearing a crown on the cover) to one of his more devoted fans.

desertrat58
2007-01-31, 20:08
She was playing in a small venue locally, so I thought what the heck. I wasn't familiar with her music. What a joke.

Honey, if you have stage fright, stay off stage. She is apparently such a critic's darling, she should try never touring like Steely Dan and the Beatles pulled off.

What blows me away was the legion of fans that drove to a remote location to see her. And sit enthralled, encouraging her. Tortured artist, my buttocks. I was entertained more by the idiots in the crowd, enveloped in deep rapture.

I wanted to demand my money back at the end, but the poor club owner looked as shocked and bewildered as I felt. I let it slide.

stinkingpig
2007-01-31, 20:19
On 1/31/07, desertrat58
<desertrat58.2lb36n1170299402 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> She was playing in a small venue locally, so I thought what the heck. I
> wasn't familiar with her music. What a joke.
>
> Honey, if you have stage fright, stay off stage. She is apparently such
> a critic's darling, she should try never touring like Steely Dan and the
> Beatles pulled off.
>

I do like Cat Power, but then, I would never go see her live. Much
like the late Elliott Smith, who was a great songwriter and a terrible
performer. I detest Steely Dan, just goes to show, different strokes
and all that.

> What blows me away was the legion of fans that drove to a remote
> location to see her. And sit enthralled, encouraging her. Tortured
> artist, my buttocks. I was entertained more by the idiots in the crowd,
> enveloped in deep rapture.
>

News at 11, different people have different tastes in music, as well
as other art forms :)

> I wanted to demand my money back at the end, but the poor club owner
> looked as shocked and bewildered as I felt. I let it slide.
>

Yeah, if you're looking to sell drinks and pay the rent, Cat Power
ain't the artist I'd book.

By the by, I had to switch to the forum to figure out who you were
talking about -- the bolded subject line doesn't come through the mail
gateway. I was getting deeply confused about whether "she" referred to
Dido, Bjork, or Lily Allen :)
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Eric Carroll
2007-02-21, 00:13
Tom Waites. Had to listen to him throughout first year university from my residence roommate. Music for the tonality impaired. Even glancing interaction now causes physical pain due to intense negative conditioning.

Glenn Gould. Brilliant pianist, recordings rendered utterly unlistenable by his humming and (off key!) singing. Probably was great in concert with mic and audience a million miles away from his mouth. Amazing critical reviews, cult like following and 5 stars on amazon.com. I pass.

Leonard Cohen. A brilliant poet/songwriter/lyricist. But how can anyone so amazingly unable to carry a tune get to be so critically acclaimed? Beats me. I enjoy a couple of songs of his in a weirdly masochistic kind of way. Vocal similarities to Tom Waits induce an instinctive flinch, but the full volley of Waits pain does not arrive.

I know some people love these folks and they are all acclaimed and talented artists.

totoro
2007-02-21, 20:33
Tom Waites. Had to listen to him throughout first year university from my residence roommate. Music for the tonality impaired. Even glancing interaction now causes physical pain due to intense negative conditioning.

Glenn Gould. Brilliant pianist, recordings rendered utterly unlistenable by his humming and (off key!) singing. Probably was great in concert with mic and audience a million miles away from his mouth. Amazing critical reviews, cult like following and 5 stars on amazon.com. I pass.

Leonard Cohen. A brilliant poet/songwriter/lyricist. But how can anyone so amazingly unable to carry a tune get to be so critically acclaimed? Beats me. I enjoy a couple of songs of his in a weirdly masochistic kind of way. Vocal similarities to Tom Waits induce an instinctive flinch, but the full volley of Waits pain does not arrive.

I know some people love these folks and they are all acclaimed and talented artists.

Not all of Glenn Gould's recordings have really bad humming. Try the first recording of the Goldbergs. No humming (also, it's really great-- this is pretty much what originally made him famous. Also, as far as I recall, there isn't any (or at least it's not intrusive) in his Well-tempered Clavier. As he got older (and crazier), it seemed to get worse.

Skunk
2007-02-22, 06:57
Had to listen to him throughout first year university from my residence roommate.

Your roommate sounds pretty cool.

Eric Carroll
2007-02-22, 10:58
Your roommate sounds pretty cool.

LOL, he sure thought so!

tomsi42
2007-02-22, 15:11
LOL, he sure thought so!

Tom Wait's isn't an easy artist to get to know. I find that the old stuff is easier to listen to. My favourite album is "Closing Time" - his debut.

Tom

Nostromo
2007-02-22, 17:33
Eric sounds like someone who has perfect pitch. IIRC, people with perfect pitch have a hard time appreciating weird tunings and exotic scales. The Tom Waits from the Swordfishtrombone era was influenced by Harry Partch, IIRC.

Or maybe he just doesn't like Wait's signature "drunken style" singing. ;-)

drewe181
2007-02-22, 21:43
As much as I enjoy Tom Waits, I do find his earlier stuff is a lot more forgiving on the ears particularly Small Change and The Heart Of Saturday Night. So many years of alcohol and cigarettes don't do any favours for the voice.

tyler_durden
2007-03-04, 22:31
Only 12 year old girls take Britney Spears and her ilk seriously, so there's no need to mention them.

I am eternally mystified by self-proclaimed audiophiles who go banannas over music by Janis Ian and Susanne Vega. Has worse drivel ever been recorded by anyone? Sure the recording quality is sometimes OK, but seriously, I won't ask who WANTS to listen to that stuff, but I will ask who can STAND to listen to that stuff? Is that the sort of stuff you want to spend many thousands of $ to listen to? Make me shiver just thinking about it!

TD

tomsi42
2007-03-05, 13:35
Only 12 year old girls take Britney Spears and her ilk seriously, so there's no need to mention them.

I am eternally mystified by self-proclaimed audiophiles who go banannas over music by Janis Ian and Susanne Vega. Has worse drivel ever been recorded by anyone? Sure the recording quality is sometimes OK, but seriously, I won't ask who WANTS to listen to that stuff, but I will ask who can STAND to listen to that stuff? Is that the sort of stuff you want to spend many thousands of $ to listen to? Make me shiver just thinking about it!

TD

"Me! Ask Me!" He shouts enthusiastically ;)

I do listen to both Janis Ian and Susanne Vega, and live to tell the tale too. Janis Ian is my favorite of those two. I find that many of her songs has a very nice mood to it as well as the texts touches me.
I would think that Janis Ian should go down very well with the tube-vinyl-audiophile crowd.

The acclaimed girls that makes me shiver once in a while are Alanis Morissette and Tori Amos...


Tom

stinkingpig
2007-03-05, 19:49
On 3/5/07, tomsi42
<tomsi42.2mzp4n1173127202 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> tyler_durden;185607 Wrote:
> > Only 12 year old girls take Britney Spears and her ilk seriously, so
> > there's no need to mention them.
> >
> > I am eternally mystified by self-proclaimed audiophiles who go banannas
> > over music by Janis Ian and Susanne Vega. Has worse drivel ever been
> > recorded by anyone? Sure the recording quality is sometimes OK, but
> > seriously, I won't ask who WANTS to listen to that stuff, but I will
> > ask who can STAND to listen to that stuff? Is that the sort of stuff
> > you want to spend many thousands of $ to listen to? Make me shiver
> > just thinking about it!
> >
> > TD

I have a couple of Suzanne Vega albums, and listened to them quite a
bit when I first got them, but now they're all used up :) Seriously,
Nine Objects of Desire and 99.9 degrees are both good. I'm less
enamored of her other albums.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Michaelwagner
2007-03-09, 15:21
Well, Janis Ian has been around since I was a kid, so the recording quality of her early work is, well, 1970s technology. I don't think of her singing as particularly melodic, any more than I try to imagine Bob Dylan or Leonard Cohen as opera singers. But the things they sing about are compelling.

Also Woodie Guthrie. In fact, most turn of the last century folk singers couldn't sing worth a damn.

pfarrell
2007-03-09, 16:29
May I be the first to say Diana Krall?

For that matter, I guess I don't understand the massive interest everyone has in jazz. Am I the only person to not get it? Am I the only one to hate it?

Diana Krall and Nora Jones are very nice looking women, probably very nice people, but neither of them can sing.

Grammy winners, but not worth my money.

Jazz is really a huge genre. I can't stand most saxophones, and really dislike bebop, which most of the jazz critics love. But I like both big band jazz, and classic jazz trios with or without a singer.

Smooth Jazz is not jazz, it is lame-o-matic muzak, but that might be an insult to Muzak

Mark Lanctot
2007-03-20, 19:35
Everyone in Canada keeps raving about Ron Sexsmith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Sexsmith) but he just leaves me cold.

I suppose he's an OK guitar player but I find his voice and his songs are slow and drippy. The kind of songs where you almost fall asleep before the end...

I want to like him but I don't.

Sorry Ron!

Michaelwagner
2007-03-21, 05:26
maybe they just think it's a sexy name :-)

EasilyConfused
2007-03-22, 08:17
Belle and Sebastian - that lead vocalist gets right on my t!ts!
Arctic Monkeys - just the name is enough.
Razorlight - gimmie a clue.
Faithless - yawn.

adamslim
2007-03-24, 08:26
At risk of alienating myself from much of this forum, it seems... Steely Dan. Just never got into them. Yawn (sorry!)

Adam

stinkingpig
2007-03-24, 13:31
On 3/24/07, adamslim
<adamslim.2nyhfz1174750202 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> At risk of alienating myself from much of this forum, it seems... Steely
> Dan. Just never got into them. Yawn (sorry!)
>

I don't like Steely Dan either.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

SumnerH
2007-09-07, 16:05
I concur with the "if you I don't like a genre, I can't feel comfortable commenting on it".

Love: Johnny Cash, Tom Waits
Like: Bob Dylan
Ehh: Bruce Springsteen
Can't Stand: Neil Young

Love: Paul Simon
Like: James Taylor
Ehh: Cat Stevens
Can't stand: Jackson Browne

Like: REM
Ehh: Radiohead
Can't stand: Coldplay

Re: the Grammys being more worthless than the Oscars, they give out like 200 Grammys a year, which tends to dilute the value pretty significantly.

peejay
2007-09-10, 03:59
I concur with the "if you I don't like a genre, I can't feel comfortable commenting on it".

Love: Johnny Cash, Tom Waits
Like: Bob Dylan
Ehh: Bruce Springsteen
Can't Stand: Neil Young

Love: Paul Simon
Like: James Taylor
Ehh: Cat Stevens
Can't stand: Jackson Browne

Like: REM
Ehh: Radiohead
Can't stand: Coldplay

Re: the Grammys being more worthless than the Oscars, they give out like 200 Grammys a year, which tends to dilute the value pretty significantly.

OK, I'll respond to this:
You're too hard on Jackson Browne.
You're too easy on Johnny Cash.
You're spot on about Neil Young.
I've never seen Bruce Springsteen, Cat Stevens and Radiohead categorised together before, so I enjoyed that.
Cheers

amcluesent
2007-09-10, 10:41
Nobody's dissed classical 'legends', so let me say that Furtwängler's recordings blow chunks and Elisabeth Schwarzkopf's voice will curdle milk.

On more familiar ground, U2 even before bono started preaching about giving to charity while scarpering from Eire as a tax-exile.

Mark Lanctot
2007-09-10, 11:49
Elisabeth Schwarzkopf's voice will curdle milk.

Yeah...her father Norman may have been a great general, but he was no singer either.

;-)

jhonsberger@msn.com
2007-09-10, 12:20
1)Bob Dylan-whiny,poor voice
2)Dave Matthews-boring
3)Arctic Monkeys-I hope they're good live-sort of
liked first cd second cd just bored me.
4)Interpol-bought spme of theyre cds and just

never replayed them after one play
5)Just about anything from the 80's

SumnerH
2007-09-10, 13:17
5)Just about anything from the 80's

I hate how the 80s gets dismissed wholesale. The 60s and 70s had their share of saccharine pop acts, and really just about anything from most decades isn't too great--it's the real highlights that are worth remembering.

There's lots of great stuff from the 1980s; certainly it's a matter of taste, but certainly there's tons of stuff that isn't electro-synthpop from the 1980s. Stuff by the Clash, Talking Heads, the Police, Bob Marley, Paul Simon, Tom Waits, Joan Jett, Violent Femmes, AC/DC, REM, the Pixies, Fugazi, the Pogues, Cowboy Junkies, Dire Straights, etc.

And that's even without getting into all the brilliant rap and country that came out (Public Enemy, Tribe Called Quest, Steve Earl, Nanci Griffith) since those genres tend to be a bit polarizing...

(and if you go look at the top-40 lists from the 60s and 70s you'll see tons of horrible era pop, novelty acts, etc just like in the 80s).

That said, I think that as far as mainstream rock/pop that the 60s and 70s basically made created a lot of genres and had tons of innovation--but the 80s aren't as bleak as people often make them out to be, and they're not just a pile of synthesizers and Tiffany clones.

Bas Horneman
2007-09-10, 14:56
Diana Krall and Nora Jones are very nice looking women, probably very nice people, but neither of them can sing.

Amen! to that.

Videodrome
2007-09-11, 09:04
Janis Joplin (her voice is like nails against a blackboard)
Eric Clapton (probably borders on blasphemy for some)
James Taylor (the smarmy "you've got a friend" sums it up)
Whitney Houston (she made butchering the national anthem popular)
Elton John
Wham
Michael Bolton (that no talent ass clown)

But the king of kings, macdaddy, big kahuna, mamadooker of all time has got to be: AARON NEVILLE

haunyack
2007-09-11, 09:19
Beyonce'...zzzz
For that matter...any of the MTV/Hollywood/VH1 clone.
To my mind..today's pop is rubbish.

Oh if it weren't for the relatively few original thinking artists that remain, I'd just put a bullet in my head.

OT - (sort of)
I recently came across an Aussie band "The Waifs".

"Sink or Swim" CD - brilliant!

.

Videodrome
2007-09-11, 12:57
And I think I enjoy them for their sonic values over pure singing skill.

A couple of times in "Live in Paris," I sort of cringe when -- at least to my untrained ear -- she seems to be singing off-key (?) Case in point, her rendition of "The Look of Love."

Videodrome
2007-09-11, 13:07
The conversation at the table next to me was bizarre - they were talking about The Beatles like I would talk about movies. "Such and such was released in '66" "No, such and such was released in '67, produced by so-and-so" "Wasn't whoozits their producer at the time?" "No it was whats-his-face".

Sounds like one of the typical threads around here ;-)

Agree on the Beatles. I think the were definitely talented (i.e. the Sgt. Peppers album) but they're just so, so overplayed. I recall getting into them when I was in 5th grade, which was after they broke up. Fast forward to the present, and it's likely many of us have heard the same songs on the radio for 30 years or more.

Even Ying Yang Twins would get old after that long.

esbrewer
2007-09-11, 19:57
I know she takes some jabs for being too easy on the eyes, but saying Diana Krall can't sing is just hyperbole.

I'm not a huge jazz vocal fan - but do enjoy listening to Ella Fitzgerald, Billie Holiday, and Nina Simone. Ms. Krall certainly does not belong in that elite group, but let's be honest - all of these women sing beautifully. Some are simply much better than others. Her Nat King Cole tribute (the only Krall record I own or have spent any significant time listening to) is excellent.

But I'll add the following critic's darlings that I can't find the patience for: The Flaming Lips, The Strokes, and Arcade Fire.

ashmore
2007-09-12, 05:44
Did anyone mention Coldplay or the Pet Shop Boys yet? Both seem to get by by producing the same song again and again and again... and, in the case of ColdPlay, with such undignified arrogance.

Hearing either makes me want to squirt superglue into my own ears.

Simon

Videodrome
2007-09-12, 07:29
Did anyone mention Coldplay or the Pet Shop Boys yet? Both seem to get by by producing the same song again and again and again... and, in the case of ColdPlay, with such undignified arrogance.

Hearing either makes me want to squirt superglue into my own ears.

Simon

Yes; Coldplay has been pretty beat up on in this thread!

givendale
2007-09-15, 21:50
Elvis.

(Cringes, ducks and covers head..)

P J Harvey
Nick Cave
Kanye West
Dizzy Rascal

That feels much better.

Videodrome
2007-09-17, 12:58
Elvis.

(Cringes, ducks and covers head..)

P J Harvey
Nick Cave
Kanye West
Dizzy Rascal

That feels much better.

Elvis, is, well, Elvis. His iconic status is a big part of his appeal. At least, before he blew up like a blimp.

I thought of a couple more over the weekend to add to the mix:

Barry Manilow
The Bee Gees
REO Speedwagon

pm314
2007-09-17, 18:25
White Stripes....
I rank his vocal abilities right up their with GnR. I like some of the lyrics but *#&#* his voice make my head hurt.

audiot
2007-09-25, 12:11
Why can't we all just get along and not hate anyone for the music they create. I'm having a hard time finding anyone mentioned that I do not have in my collection in one form or another.

Okay, I can understand not liking REM after you were able to understand the words, but my wife loves them and I love her so.... and listening to Barry Manilow is easier than watching him, just a little, but a little.

pfarrell
2007-09-25, 15:44
Why can't we all just get along and not hate anyone for the music they create.

I didn't think this was about hating the people. Just that the music is popular and doesn't resonate with some folks.

Way up thread, someone mentioned Diana Krall. She is probably the most popular jazz vocalist around these days. She is very good looking, but to my tastes, she can't sing.

This doesn't make her a bad person, just someone whose CD's I'm not interested in having in my collection.

bklaas
2007-09-25, 15:55
Critically acclaimed but can't stand...my list would be:

Steely Dan
Sufjan Stevens
Radiohead (can't stand would be a stretch, but overrated, yeah probably)
Neil Young (strangely though, much respect for his impact and music, just don't ever want to listen to it)
Prince (ditto Neil Young)
anything Nick Cave is associated with

corollary: the 10 most accurately rated acts of all time
http://www.spin.com/features/magazine/2004/12/give_me_centrism_or_give_me_death/

cheers,
#!/ben

haunyack
2007-09-25, 15:56
She is very good looking, but to my tastes, she can't sing.



Maybe not so well but her ensemble is first rate.

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pfarrell
2007-09-25, 16:08
Neil Young (strangely though, much respect for his impact and music, just don't ever want to listen to it)


Yes, not only do I not like his singing in Crazy Horse, but I think CSN was much better than CSN&Y

Michaelwagner
2007-09-25, 18:16
Loved the list, Ben. Esp the comment about home town band Triumph.

givendale
2007-10-05, 02:18
Critically acclaimed but can't stand...my list would be:

Steely Dan
Sufjan Stevens
Radiohead (can't stand would be a stretch, but overrated, yeah probably)
Neil Young (strangely though, much respect for his impact and music, just don't ever want to listen to it)
Prince (ditto Neil Young)
anything Nick Cave is associated with

corollary: the 10 most accurately rated acts of all time
http://www.spin.com/features/magazine/2004/12/give_me_centrism_or_give_me_death/

cheers,
#!/ben

Nick cave make me want to slash my wrists but everyone I've met think he is a musical genius.

Although I will give him credit for a good movie, "The Proposition"

Regards
Givendale

bernt
2007-10-05, 02:32
I'm I the first to mention Bruce Springsteen?

Alice Cooper
Ozzy Osbourne
Bob Dylan
Rolling Stones

peejay
2007-10-06, 02:20
Nick cave make me want to slash my wrists but everyone I've met think he is a musical genius.

Although I will give him credit for a good movie, "The Proposition"

Regards
Givendale

And you should see his performance in the Leonard Cohen (there's a wrist-slashing inciter if ever there was one) tribute ''I'm your Man'. He's perfect for the job.

NFLnut
2007-10-08, 23:00
Bob Seger.

Sounds like a guy sitting on the loo with a serious constipation problem!

Hey .. you asked.

I second Springsteen. But Bob Dylan in the late 60's to mid-70s was awesome.

SumnerH
2007-10-09, 08:45
Bob Seger.



Sounds like a guy sitting on the loo with a serious constipation problem!



Hey .. you asked.



I second Springsteen.



It seems like the Boss is one of the most generational artists out there. In my experience most people born before 1974 love Springsteen, and most born after don't (FWIW I was born 1975 and don't). At least in my area it's a very high correlation.

haunyack
2007-10-09, 08:51
I second Springsteen.

Yea..the boss - ugh!
Just a creation of the labels to fill in where Bob Seger left off.
Anyone can yell into a mic.

And I'm a baby boomer.

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bernt
2007-10-09, 10:31
It seems like the Boss is one of the most generational artists out there. In my experience most people born before 1974 love Springsteen, and most born after don't (FWIW I was born 1975 and don't). At least in my area it's a very high correlation.

I'm born long before 74 and I don't understand why Springsteen are that big. Don't even want to call him the boss.

bklaas
2007-10-09, 11:00
I was born before 1974 and don't go nuts for the Boss. However, before anyone passes judgment, they need to listen to Nebraska and/or The Ghost of Tom Joad before they say that Springsteen is not for them. Those two albums are superb IMO (and completely different than his other material, which is likely why I am drawn to them).

cheers,
#!/ben

Michaelwagner
2007-10-09, 17:26
I was born *way* before 1974, and there are springsteen songs I like and those I don't. Some I find very repetitious, a few are good and many are ... ummm ... interesting. But I notice when I DJ they get people (of a certain age) up and dancing.

If you kinda like Springsteen, but only sometimes, check out Southside Johnny and the Asbury Jukes. They were his original backing band, somewhat incestuously related to the E street band, in ways I cannot at the moment recall. I like some of their "covers" of Springsteens music better than I like the originals ("the Fever" comes to mind).

A propos his name, "the Boss", he doesn't like it either, I seem to recall reading.

Bob Seeger I mostly don't like, but he sure gets the people up and dancing, so I play him when requested.

Ah, I looked it up. Steve Van Zandt was in and out of the E Street band, and was the head of Southside Johnny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E_Street_Band

Empgamer
2007-10-11, 01:59
Elvis Presley

Status Quo (heard both their tunes and can't stand them)

U2 later albmums and political drivel

Led Zeppelin

Stones later albums

Anyone who wins the X Factor et al

And I forgot - MOST of all Elton John!!!!!!!!

peejay
2007-10-18, 22:41
Anybody who has become even moderately famous coming from one of those inane, puerile Idol television shows. If said musician/performer hasn't become famous by playing in pubs and clubs then they're not worth their salt....

servies
2007-10-19, 00:40
Status Quo (heard both their tunes and can't stand them)

ROFLMAO, I do know their songs sound alike but this...

jwb
2007-11-05, 19:19
There are certain bands/artists that the critics and fans alike just love. They've been around a long time and have a huge fan base and anything they put out sells a ton. This thread will allow us to fess up and proclaim that for certain artists....we just don't get it!

Beck.
Radiohead.

Actually, I quite like Steely Dan, a lot of Neil Young and PJ Harvey, to mention some already listed. Springsteen misses the list for "Nebraska" and Tom Waits for "Swordfishtrombones" (maybe). And yes, Cat Power is a letdown in concert, but I love her recordings.

playforchrissy
2007-11-07, 15:28
I think that Coldplay is boring. I can listen to maybe one of their songs but definitely not a whole album!

iPhone
2007-11-15, 13:02
I think several have already said this, but I think ones taste in music shapes your opinion of other genre and more specifically when one was born. Looks to me that people younger then me bash the older rock bands like the Stones. I think one had to have grown up in the 60's and 70's to understand them much less have a chance to love them. Speaking of the Stones, I really dig all the old stuff and selectively like a song or two off of newer CDs. On to the list:

Janis Joplin: can not sing a note
Wham, Boy George, UB40, Dexy’s Midnight Runners, A-ha, or any one hit MTV standout!
Rick Springfield, Indigo Girls, Melissa Etheridge, Michael Bolton, Bjork, Debbie Gibson, Either of the Spears, Debby Boone, and Wilson Phillips
Sinead O’Connor, please
Dawhitney Houston, Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, Pussy Cat Dolls, Pink, and the others that think their bodies sell CDs
B-52s for trying to ride REM’s coattails
Any movie star wanting to expand their career to include singing
All Rap/Hip Hop. With all the government regulations how are they allowed to call it music? Oh yah, we have that First Amendment thing!
Any of the Jackson’s….. Nuff Said

Bob Dylan is probably one of the great song writers of modern times, used to be able to sing a little before all the cocaine and heroin burnt out his nose

As to Journey, the main group members are talented musicians that just can’t sing lead, so Steve Perry had to join and ruin the band. Listen to Journey’s instrumentals and what the band members did on other projects excluding Steve Perry.

Oh by the way, did I list Steve Perry in my list?

Just a baby boomers thoughts (tail end boomer, no where near retiring).

morris_minor
2007-11-15, 16:40
My nominations go to Leonard Bernstein and Herbert von Karajan, who both think they're more important than 1) the orchestra, and 2) the composers whose music the orchestra is playing.

Oh - and Patti Smith. I was asked to transfer an LP of Horses to CD for someone. This really was execrable stuff!

haunyack
2007-11-15, 16:51
B-52s for trying to ride REM’s coattails


I don't see the comparison.
Also, B-52's were selling pop music before R.E.M. were on the teat.

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brjoon1021
2007-11-25, 20:20
Eric Clapton - only like Cocaine.
Jimi Hendrix -Hate all but a handful of songs
Bob Dylan - clearly can't sing. I like a few, though.
Pearl Jam - Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins were both LOTS better.
Steely Dan - Sorry, only like "Reeling in the Years" which is so good that I wonder how it was birthed by them.
Jethro Tull - I tried to like them but could not. Thick as a Brick was sheer pain to sit through.
Josh Groban - I like Bocelli so much, but I can't get into Groban.

sinking_fast
2007-12-14, 09:14
This will hurt but...Counting Crows. There, now I feel better.