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Eric Koldinger
2003-11-25, 09:02
There is a standard composer tag in the ID3 structures. You can read
about the gory details at www.id3.org. The only problem is that most
ripping applications don't bother to support it. Nor do they support the
standard Conductor, Orchestra, or Label/Publisher tags, or any of the
other really useful information for Classical music. It's actually
rather pathetic, and surprising.

Personally, I wrote my own Java based tagging utilities to allow me to
correctly tag my Classical music. I based them on the jd3lib libraries
available at sourceforge.net. I could make them available if there's
sufficient interest.

Eric


On Nov 25, 2003, at 3:15 am, rpgoldman (AT) real-time (DOT) com wrote:

>
> This is probably a very stupid question, but what "composer" tag are
> you all referring to? I've been using id3ed (linux) to edit my tags,
> and it doesn't offer any such tag, nor does easytag, nor grip, the
> tool I've been using for ripping.


Perhaps it's unique to iTunes and not part of a specification. I don't
think that's correct though - isn't it part of ID3v2.2?

> Also, if you use the composer tag for the composer, what do you put in
> the artist tag? I can see what one might do for a soloist, but what
> about an orchestra (orchestra or conductor?) or an opera (company?
> important soloist)?


a) Yes, if it's a soloist I've been putting that in the artist tag on
its own.
b) For orchestras etc. I put in something like this:
London Symphony Orchestra cond. Claudio Abbado
and, if there are soloists within the same album they might go into the
Comments tag, or I just leave it out - I haven't actually got much
classical music on my computer yet.

> I've never been able to figure out how to generalize ID3 from pop
> music in the singer/songwriter mode to jazz (singer/band often !=
> composer) or classical (performers almost never = composer). I'd love
> any help (or just pointers).


Well, I don't put in full names into the Composer tag. Just the
surname/names of whoever wrote the song (Words and/or music.) Most pop
album sleeves tell you who wrote each track and if it doesn't and you
really want to be precise you can look on www.allmusic.com

I've worked out a convention that fits the way I want my library to
function. When the library really starts to get huge, it's nice for the
ID3 tags to do most of the finding for me.

Oscar Marsh
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rpgoldman@real-time.com
2003-11-25, 11:49
>>>>> "Eric" == Eric Koldinger <kolding (AT) alum (DOT) berkeley.edu> writes:

Eric> There is a standard composer tag in the ID3 structures. You
Eric> can read about the gory details at www.id3.org. The only
Eric> problem is that most ripping applications don't bother to
Eric> support it. Nor do they support the standard Conductor,
Eric> Orchestra, or Label/Publisher tags, or any of the other
Eric> really useful information for Classical music. It's
Eric> actually rather pathetic, and surprising.

Pathetic, but not surprising... IIUC, we could add our own tags as
well. I don't understand whether it's possible to have
multiple-valued tags (like performer, where you might want to have
multiple ones)...

Eric> Personally, I wrote my own Java based tagging utilities to
Eric> allow me to correctly tag my Classical music. I based them
Eric> on the jd3lib libraries available at sourceforge.net. I
Eric> could make them available if there's sufficient interest.

That would be fantastic. I have looked around and even most tag
editors don't support the additional ID3V2 tags. I was going to start
hacking on tagged (perl program), but wasn't real excited about the
prospect....

Best,
r

Robert P. Goldman
2003-11-25, 19:42
Thanks, Jason. I'll have a look at id3v2.

I hadn't bothered so far because it was in C++, and I'm more
comfortable with perl, but it looks good.

best,
R