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EnochLight
2006-06-30, 22:39
For those who have one, get it now!

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=3111

Paul Webster
2006-07-01, 03:22
Aren't there still a few problems with it though - e.g. no support for 2GB RS-MMC cards and the now supported usage of the RS-MMC device as Swap is limited to 64MB ... neither of which restrictions apply to people who have been patching previous versions.
There are also quite a few bugs reported from the (very quick) beta cycle that have not been logged as closed (or even acknowledged).
This time round, I'm tempted to wait another week or so in case there are other nasty things in there.

atlslim
2006-07-01, 19:55
Upgraded to the new OS today and sort of freaked out when the 'now playing' portion (upper 1/2) of the status.html page was blank. Turns out Java Script is 'off' by default w/ the upgrade.

Of course if you read the tips section at the Nokia site http://www.nokiausa.com/support/phones/softwareupdate/1,8461,770,00.html#tips
you will see this caveat:

If you restore earlier settings to the Nokia 770 Internet Tablet with the Backup/Restore tool (Applications > Control panel > Backup/Restore), the Browser settings will not be restored. This means that settings which have been made to Browser > Tools > Settings –directory will not be restored - for example, Home page, Plug-ins, JavaScript, and Memory cache size. Browser settings do not include Browser bookmarks.

bklaas
2006-07-06, 11:31
Anyone else install the 2006 OS upgrade yet to their 770? I'm probably going to do it later today and wanted to know if there are any other significant gotchas. I'm esp. interested in problems with the slimserver skin post-upgrade, but generally interested in anything I should watch out for.

An aside, isn't it bizarre that Nokia releases this Linux-powered handheld and the only instructions they post for upgrade involves using a Windows machine? I mean, I know Windows is the de facto standard OS, but for this demographic? I'd wager a guess that amongst 770 users, a good 30-50% are Linux-on-the-desktop people.

I find Nokia to be an interesting animal...it's like they really, really get it in some places, and completely miss the boat in others. I guess that's about what you'd expect from a cell phone company jumping into previously uncharted waters. Problems aside, I applaud them for their effort.

anyway...

cheers,
#!/ben

Siduhe
2006-07-06, 12:18
Anyone else install the 2006 OS upgrade yet to their 770? I'm probably going to do it later today and wanted to know if there are any other significant gotchas.

The only one I've come across has been widely reported - additional applications you've installed won't port across to the new firmware, so you'll need to wait till they've been updated and reinstall.

Otherwise it's been an easy install and performance has improved now you don't have to hack the 770 to use your memory card as a bit more swap space (there's an included application to do this for you).

On the annoying side, I've lost the ability to do a one-click check for emails without opening up the inbox, but I can live with that until someone works out a way round it.

Fraid I'm not quite brave enough for 6.5 yet, so don't use your 770 skin, but looking forward to when I can ! ;-)

bklaas
2006-07-06, 12:26
The only one I've come across has been widely reported - additional applications you've installed won't port across to the new firmware, so you'll need to wait till they've been updated and reinstall.


I can live with that...I installed all kinds of goodies, including running ssh server. I thought I was going to use it a lot in this fashion, but it turns out I had little use for logging into a command-line remotely. The screenshooter application I will miss though...



Fraid I'm not quite brave enough for 6.5 yet, so don't use your 770 skin, but looking forward to when I can ! ;-)

well warranted to stay away from 6.5 right now. 'Tis a mess at present. I think you'll enjoy the skin once 6.5 gets beaten into shape.

#!/ben

atlslim
2006-07-06, 12:38
Ben,

I took the plunge and overall things have gone well. The application manager tool is helpful for the average user (me) to get new programs installed easily. Someone has reported that feature to now be broken but I haven't checked: http://m80.dyndns.org/770/index.shtml

Browser seems more stable, you can assign swap space to the memory card, and the "no toolbar in fullscreen" sticks after reboot. I think those are all plusses for the skin users. Also, the new Opera browser can access the SqueezeNetwork webpage and the Pandora music service (via SN) can now be controlled w/ the Nokia. Pandora.com requires a later version of Flashplayer not yet ported to the Nokia.

I know some things have been changed in 6.5 (artwork, etc) but I'm sure you will have those figured out soon! :)

chiphart
2006-07-06, 13:02
bklaas wrote:
> An aside, isn't it bizarre that Nokia releases this Linux-powered
> handheld and the only instructions they post for upgrade involves using
> a Windows machine?

I concur. Worse, you have to download the .Net framework or
whatever. I have XP on a partition solely for these little
chores and it sucks.

--
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atlslim
2006-07-06, 13:28
The screenshooter application I will miss though...

This applet is available for the new OS and includes a screenshot function: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/load-applet/

bklaas
2006-07-06, 14:15
I know some things have been changed in 6.5 (artwork, etc) but I'm sure you will have those figured out soon! :)

Actually, I think in large part all of the skin-related changes are done. I've been quietly updating the Nokia770 skin (as well as the benevolent KDF) as 6.5 goes through its growing pains. The current issues with 6.5 are mostly slimserver and database-related, which affect not only the web UI but also the general use of squeezeboxen. For example, when you select an album to play, it doesn't play the tracks in order. Stuff like that. It also crashes easily. (I'm not worried...we'll get there...just gotta be patient)

#!/ben

bklaas
2006-07-06, 14:25
Just updated to 2006OS and found a couple of things that are huge to the usability of the 770 as a slimserver controller.

1. As atlslim posted earlier on this thread-- View->Show Toolbar->uncheck fullscreen is "sticky" with reboot. That resolves a major annoyance, since the Nokia770 skin relies on the user going to fullscreen mode with the toolbar off.

2. This one, IMO, is big. The toolbar no longer pops up when loading a new image/page/DOM content. In the Opera included with 2005OS, the toolbar would appear whenever any new image loaded, including, for example, a new piece of cover art when a new song starts. Then, when the toolbar would pop up, the page would dynamically resize, which would in turn cause the vertical and horizontal scrollbars to appear. Needless to say, this was mucho annoying, and I'm really happy to see that working as it should.

I've heard some scattered complaints on web forums about the quality of this 2006OS release, but from what I've experimented with so far, it's a big win for those using it as a slimserver controller.

...plus I'm intrigued to use it as a VOIP phone with Google Talk, just cuz it's geeky ;)

cheers,
#!/ben

Paul Webster
2006-07-08, 07:34
bklaas wrote:
> An aside, isn't it bizarre that Nokia releases this Linux-powered
> handheld and the only instructions they post for upgrade involves using
> a Windows machine?

I concur. Worse, you have to download the .Net framework or
whatever. I have XP on a partition solely for these little
chores and it sucks.


There is a flasher for Linux and Mac. Plus, IIRC, the first upgrade route (during hte beta) was only available to Linux users - which gave the application developers/porters time to get their apps ready before the masses (well .. the rest of te small community) to join in.
I think I saw the Linux flasher still referred to on the Maemo site.

Anyway - I upgraded recently as well and looking OK so far.
It does feel faster - and that is without enabling sawp to MMC.

chiphart
2006-07-09, 15:06
Paul Webster wrote:
> There is a flasher for Linux and Mac.

It's hidden well for me, then. Any clues as to its whereabouts
would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

--
Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company
chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404
800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip
f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter.
Your Practice Just Got Healthier.

bklaas
2006-07-09, 21:00
http://maemo.org should have what you need

i've flashed before from linux and it worked fine.

my earlier statement about windows only was directed at the nokia website instructions, not @ what's actually possible.

sorry so terse...typing on the 770 is pretty slow

#!/ben

Jungle
2006-07-10, 04:58
Anyone else install the 2006 OS upgrade yet to their 770? I'm probably going to do it later today and wanted to know if there are any other significant gotchas. I'm esp. interested in problems with the slimserver skin post-upgrade, but generally interested in anything I should watch out for.

...

cheers,
#!/ben

I started using it this past weekend and all seems to be OK.

This also gives me a chance to thank you for the work on the 770 skin for SlimServer which I am using. It's lovely to have a remote which starts to approach the level of the Sonos device! keep up the good work.

Paul Webster
2006-07-10, 09:59
Paul Webster wrote:
> There is a flasher for Linux and Mac.

It's hidden well for me, then. Any clues as to its whereabouts
would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks.

As Ben mentioned - it is in the Maemo site - in particular
http://www.maemo.org/downloads/d3.php
which is linked to from
http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html

It offers:
Linux on Intel x86
MacOS X on PPC
Linux on PowerPC
Intel x86 for Ubuntu Dapper

In fact, from that site I don't they even link to a Windows version!

Simon Still
2006-07-10, 12:35
My experience is that the 2006 OS is a huge improvement, though part of that
may have been me enabling some swap memory on the card. Certainly the web
browser seems more responsive and will now handle eBay (which crashed it in
the past).

No issues i've found yet.

chiphart
2006-07-10, 21:21
Paul Webster wrote:
> As Ben mentioned - it is in the Maemo site - in particular
> http://www.maemo.org/downloads/d3.php
> which is linked to from
> http://maemo.org/downloads/releases.html

Thanks, blew right by it. Can't wait to get home Wed to try it!

--
Chip Hart - Pediatric Solutions * Physician's Computer Company
chip @ pcc.com * 1 Main St. #7, Winooski, VT 05404
800-722-7708 * http://www.pcc.com/~chip
f.802-846-8178 * Pediatric Software Just Got Smarter.
Your Practice Just Got Healthier.

vikmurthy
2006-07-12, 05:41
I installed the 2006 OS earlier this week, and agree with many of the prior comments. The browser seems zippier and less prone to locking up.

The only very slight issue that I've encountered is that it takes the device a bit longer to find and connect to a WiFi signal. Has anyone else encountered this?

Simon Still
2006-07-13, 23:34
On 7/12/06, vikmurthy <
vikmurthy.2au1sz1152708301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> The only very slight issue that I've encountered is that it takes the
> device a bit longer to find and connect to a WiFi signal. Has anyone
> else encountered this?
>
>
> I've had a bit of strangeness - particularly where it would connect to
stuff on my network (Like slimserver) but not give me internet access. i
haven't worked out quite what's going on yet.

bklaas
2006-07-14, 08:28
On 7/12/06, vikmurthy <
vikmurthy.2au1sz1152708301 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> The only very slight issue that I've encountered is that it takes the
> device a bit longer to find and connect to a WiFi signal. Has anyone
> else encountered this?
>
>
> I've had a bit of strangeness - particularly where it would connect to
stuff on my network (Like slimserver) but not give me internet access. i
haven't worked out quite what's going on yet.

FWIW, I'm not experiencing any of these networking issues. On the surface, it sounds like the second issue is a routing gateway problem (as in, your 770 doesn't know what IP locally to go to in order to NAT out to the world). I might suggest as a debug to go to a public wifi zone (coffee shop or something) and see if you experience the same issue. That will at least tell you if your issue is confined to your home network.

The biggest gotcha I've experienced with 2006OS so far is that the new Opera browser has javascript *disabled by default* (ouch). It's not a big deal to enable it, but you'll do that only after scratching your head for 15 minutes trying to figure out why nothing works on the Nokia770 skin...

cheers,
#!/ben