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Stuart Cooper
2003-11-21, 17:37
I recently had some very informative and helpful tech feedback
(unattributable) from a chappie at the Beeb.

The upshot was that it is possible that the Ogg streaming may resume,
but not that likely. MP3 or any high quality (128k +) streams are *very*
unlikely due to legal,editorial and financial issues and also that they
have terabytes of Real Audio dating back to 1996.

The most helpful part of his reply was:
"Real networks have released their Helix player to the open source
community and it's already available on a number of embedded devices and
network attached players. I'm fairly certain they would be happy to
work with you. "

I've already passed this info to Dean.

In the meantime I have successfully got all the BBC DAB channels
streaming to Slimp3s using the (awful) Psion Wavefinder - so flaky it
came close to being thrown from a window! - with DabBar providing the
streams. While this is of no use to US users it's the easiest way to get
high quality BBC (and other DAB radio) streams to every player in the
UK. I'd suggest the Mod Tech PCI card DAB receiver and a good antenna in
preference to the Wavefinder though - I've not used it but I intend to
get one and try as it can't possibly be worse than the Psion!!

Stuart.
www.multitask-computing.co.uk


-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Marsh [mailto:jigsaw250 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk]
Sent: 21 November 2003 19:40
To: SlimDevices Discussion
Subject: [OT] [slim] UK Radio 4


See the most recent posting on this page, from January of this year,
for the reason why the BBC are staying with RealAudio:

http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/

"...until we get more staff, we won't be able to dedicate any time into
getting the [ogg-based] streams up."

Maybe there is still a team at the BBC committed to getting non-real
streams going, with the right amount of cash. But this is weird,
because I remember reading in NTK that the open source-loving, .ogg
using, geeky-type streaming group at the BBC internet department were
moved out of their offices to make way for the RealMedia-based web
streaming team a while ago during a bout of streamlining measures.

You can write to oggfeedback (AT) bbc (DOT) co.uk if you'd like to see some
development in providing a less proprietary method of receiving BBC
content online- I don't know if that address is still manned by a
human, but I'm sure it'll be redirected to someone important. Otherwise
there's this form-based contact
http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml - BBCi don't seem to
want direct emails :\

Oscar Marsh
--
jabber: ojmarsh (AT) jabber (DOT) anywise.com
AIM: oscarjackmarsh

Graham Ridgway at home
2003-11-22, 15:43
I've got the Wavefinder running ok (put one station per .pls file) with
Dabbar running as a service under XP. However, my wife (!) also wishes to
listen to the R4 progs she missed when out! Argggh.
Graham
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Cooper" <stu (AT) multitask-computing (DOT) co.uk>
To: "'SlimDevices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: [OT] [slim] UK Radio 4


> I recently had some very informative and helpful tech feedback
> (unattributable) from a chappie at the Beeb.
>
> The upshot was that it is possible that the Ogg streaming may resume,
> but not that likely. MP3 or any high quality (128k +) streams are *very*
> unlikely due to legal,editorial and financial issues and also that they
> have terabytes of Real Audio dating back to 1996.
>
> The most helpful part of his reply was:
> "Real networks have released their Helix player to the open source
> community and it's already available on a number of embedded devices and
> network attached players. I'm fairly certain they would be happy to
> work with you. "
>
> I've already passed this info to Dean.
>
> In the meantime I have successfully got all the BBC DAB channels
> streaming to Slimp3s using the (awful) Psion Wavefinder - so flaky it
> came close to being thrown from a window! - with DabBar providing the
> streams. While this is of no use to US users it's the easiest way to get
> high quality BBC (and other DAB radio) streams to every player in the
> UK. I'd suggest the Mod Tech PCI card DAB receiver and a good antenna in
> preference to the Wavefinder though - I've not used it but I intend to
> get one and try as it can't possibly be worse than the Psion!!
>
> Stuart.
> www.multitask-computing.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oscar Marsh [mailto:jigsaw250 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk]
> Sent: 21 November 2003 19:40
> To: SlimDevices Discussion
> Subject: [OT] [slim] UK Radio 4
>
>
> See the most recent posting on this page, from January of this year,
> for the reason why the BBC are staying with RealAudio:
>
> http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/
>
> "...until we get more staff, we won't be able to dedicate any time into
> getting the [ogg-based] streams up."
>
> Maybe there is still a team at the BBC committed to getting non-real
> streams going, with the right amount of cash. But this is weird,
> because I remember reading in NTK that the open source-loving, .ogg
> using, geeky-type streaming group at the BBC internet department were
> moved out of their offices to make way for the RealMedia-based web
> streaming team a while ago during a bout of streamlining measures.
>
> You can write to oggfeedback (AT) bbc (DOT) co.uk if you'd like to see some
> development in providing a less proprietary method of receiving BBC
> content online- I don't know if that address is still manned by a
> human, but I'm sure it'll be redirected to someone important. Otherwise
> there's this form-based contact
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml - BBCi don't seem to
> want direct emails :\
>
> Oscar Marsh
> --
> jabber: ojmarsh (AT) jabber (DOT) anywise.com
> AIM: oscarjackmarsh
>
>
>
>

Tahir
2003-11-23, 05:39
I've got a ModTech PCI card & a Wavefinder, the only downside of the PCI
card is that you can only receive 1 station at a time (even if it's on the
same multiplex)

Tahir

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stuart Cooper" <stu (AT) multitask-computing (DOT) co.uk>
To: "'SlimDevices Discussion'" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2003 12:37 AM
Subject: [OT] [slim] UK Radio 4


> I recently had some very informative and helpful tech feedback
> (unattributable) from a chappie at the Beeb.
>
> The upshot was that it is possible that the Ogg streaming may resume,
> but not that likely. MP3 or any high quality (128k +) streams are *very*
> unlikely due to legal,editorial and financial issues and also that they
> have terabytes of Real Audio dating back to 1996.
>
> The most helpful part of his reply was:
> "Real networks have released their Helix player to the open source
> community and it's already available on a number of embedded devices and
> network attached players. I'm fairly certain they would be happy to
> work with you. "
>
> I've already passed this info to Dean.
>
> In the meantime I have successfully got all the BBC DAB channels
> streaming to Slimp3s using the (awful) Psion Wavefinder - so flaky it
> came close to being thrown from a window! - with DabBar providing the
> streams. While this is of no use to US users it's the easiest way to get
> high quality BBC (and other DAB radio) streams to every player in the
> UK. I'd suggest the Mod Tech PCI card DAB receiver and a good antenna in
> preference to the Wavefinder though - I've not used it but I intend to
> get one and try as it can't possibly be worse than the Psion!!
>
> Stuart.
> www.multitask-computing.co.uk
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Oscar Marsh [mailto:jigsaw250 (AT) yahoo (DOT) co.uk]
> Sent: 21 November 2003 19:40
> To: SlimDevices Discussion
> Subject: [OT] [slim] UK Radio 4
>
>
> See the most recent posting on this page, from January of this year,
> for the reason why the BBC are staying with RealAudio:
>
> http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/
>
> "...until we get more staff, we won't be able to dedicate any time into
> getting the [ogg-based] streams up."
>
> Maybe there is still a team at the BBC committed to getting non-real
> streams going, with the right amount of cash. But this is weird,
> because I remember reading in NTK that the open source-loving, .ogg
> using, geeky-type streaming group at the BBC internet department were
> moved out of their offices to make way for the RealMedia-based web
> streaming team a while ago during a bout of streamlining measures.
>
> You can write to oggfeedback (AT) bbc (DOT) co.uk if you'd like to see some
> development in providing a less proprietary method of receiving BBC
> content online- I don't know if that address is still manned by a
> human, but I'm sure it'll be redirected to someone important. Otherwise
> there's this form-based contact
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/feedback/bbci_comment.shtml - BBCi don't seem to
> want direct emails :\
>
> Oscar Marsh
> --
> jabber: ojmarsh (AT) jabber (DOT) anywise.com
> AIM: oscarjackmarsh
>
>
>
>