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MPBphotographic
2006-06-07, 10:26
Hi,
I am going to be purchasing a Squeezebox soon for a new flat.

When I get it set up my computer will be completely wireless as its too far from the main phoneline. My stereo however is going to be right near the main phoneline and therefore I can have the squeezebox wired to my router.

My questions are:

1) How reliable is a completely wireless network (squeezebox and computer?)?
2) Will I get any more reliability in having my squeezebox wired and my computer wireless? Or would this only occur if things were the other way around?

Cheers,
Matt

Heuer
2006-06-07, 10:47
If the wireless causes a problem you could try these:

http://www.devolo.com/co_EN/

They are easy to set up and do work very well. Amazon sell them.

ceejay
2006-06-07, 10:48
Its really hard to call how reliable a particular setup will be, as so much depends on the levels of interference you will have, the thickness of your walls etc

But generally having both server and SB wireless is not ideal as everything has to take two wireless hops, and if you are in a marginal interference situation that could be just too unreliable. If you can easily wire your SB, you should definitely do it.

It might be an idea to buy a wireless unit anyway, if cost is not critical, to maintain flexibility in the future.

Ceejay

JJZolx
2006-06-07, 11:34
1) How reliable is a completely wireless network (squeezebox and computer?)?
2) Will I get any more reliability in having my squeezebox wired and my computer wireless? Or would this only occur if things were the other way around?
If you can easily run the Squeezebox wired without installing cabling, or having patch cables run all over the place, it wouldn't make much sense to run it wirelessly.

But I'd spend a little more and get the wireless Squeezebox anyway. It's a lot more flexible if you ever move things around in your flat or if you move some day in the future.

Mark Lanctot
2006-06-07, 19:02
2) Will I get any more reliability in having my squeezebox wired and my computer wireless? Or would this only occur if things were the other way around?

Computer wired and Squeezebox wireless would be preferable. Wire the computer to the wireless router along with the Internet connection on the WAN port.

azinck3
2006-06-07, 19:05
Computer wired and Squeezebox wireless would be preferable. Wire the computer to the wireless router along with the Internet connection on the WAN port.

Why would this be preferable? I can't think of any reason...

edit: on second thought, I guess it would minimize dropouts when you're doing other things with your PC on the network at the same time as you're streaming (e.g., browsing, copying files). Your SB won't ever be doing anything except streaming so the extra bandwidth wouldn't be as critical.

NWP
2006-06-08, 00:28
Why would this be preferable? I can't think of any reason...

edit: on second thought, I guess it would minimize dropouts when you're doing other things with your PC on the network at the same time as you're streaming (e.g., browsing, copying files). Your SB won't ever be doing anything except streaming so the extra bandwidth wouldn't be as critical.

Also, if you add one or more squeezeboxes in the future, your server would now be sending two or more streams over wireless. A squeezebox is only going to ever receive one stream. A server can send out multiple streams so would benefit from more bandwidth.

cbemoore
2006-06-08, 00:48
I'm using wireless for my server PC and 2 squeezeboxes with absolutely no problems.

Both squeezeboxes are fairly near my router and have a decent strong signal (they report 98% and 78% signal strength). But my server PC is at the other end of the house and reports low signal strength and 24Mbps throughput (I'm running an 802.11G network).

Despiter the low signal strength for the server, and the fact that its often streaming to both squeezeboxes at the same time, I never get a single dropout.

So despite the theoretical disadvantages of running everything via wireless, I'd say give it a go - it will probably work absolutely fine.

YMMV, of course....

Chris

MPBphotographic
2006-06-08, 02:32
Thanks for the replies everyone.

There seems a bit of debate as to whether having the SB wired and computer wireless will bring me much benefit. This is the only way around I can do things. It should be more reliable than completely wireless, correct?

Chris- out of interest what router do you use?

And in general are there any routers that people recommend as working particularly well with SB? I might as well ask as I have yet to buy the router as well. By the way I'm in the UK.

Heuer- thanks for the link. I'm not sure I understand what exactly that is an how it would differ from a normal wireless router/modem?

Matt

cbemoore
2006-06-08, 02:38
I'm in the UK too - I'm using a Netgear DG834G v2 router.

I had a dodgy one at first which caused me no end of problems, but the replacement has been absolutely perfect.

As a general rule for any networking equipment, I'd always use a wired connection if its convenient, otherwise try a wireless connection. If your SB is right next to your router, you might as well use a wired connection.

Heuer
2006-06-08, 06:37
Thanks for the replies everyone.



Heuer- thanks for the link. I'm not sure I understand what exactly that is an how it would differ from a normal wireless router/modem?

Matt


Matt

The Devolo units allow you to use your mains wiring as a LAN. Basically connect your SB3 ethernet cable to the Devolo and plug it into a mains socket. Connect your Router to the other Devolo with an ethernet cable and plug in. You now have a 85Mbit ethernet connection! You can keep adding Devolo's around the house wherever you need a handy ethernet connection. I currently use them for a WAP, Security Cameras, TiVo and SB3 all running concurrently. Amazing devices.

ModelCitizen
2006-06-08, 14:07
Just to confirm the post before but one. I'm in the UK. I use a DG834G. In my last house I was in range of four other networks. I had my Squeezebox 1 wired into the router and streamed wirelessly from SlimServer. Once I had a channel that was not interfered with by the pother networks (I think I ended up on channel 13) all was fine. I was mostly streaming Flacs too. I had the very, very occasional drop out. My wireless signal was quite strong though (well over 80%, but can't remember exactly). I had a wireless phone near the router and a microwave a clear 15 feet away.
A Squeezebox 1 streams uncompressed (pcm) whereas the later Squeezeboxes transcode in firmware so Flac is streamed (very roughly a third of the bandwidth).
MC

Roy2001
2006-06-08, 16:38
Buy a wireless version, but wire it if it drops signal wirelessly.

amrace
2006-06-09, 01:17
I'm in the uk and have just purchased a 3Com Office Connect 54MBPS ADSL Wireless Modem Router from ebuyer. It was very easy to set up in less than an hour (I'm not a techno wizz) including the firewall ports and I have had no problems with it up to now. Im currenty using it wired to the PC and squeezebox so I can't comment on the wireless connection. It was 45.75 inc VAT, came with a free usb wireless adaptor and has loads of good reviews on ebuyer.

MPBphotographic
2006-06-09, 05:39
Ok thanks guys, really helpful.

I'm pretty clear now. My only remaining thoughts is in regard to the Devolo stuff.

How many Devolo units would I need? One by my PC, one by the router and one by the SB3? And what benefit does that bring? Is is completely like a wired network with no wireless at all? And can I still use a Nokia 770 wirelessly?

Sorry if those questions sound stupid, its just tha the Devolo stuff looks good but i don't quite understand it.

Thanks,
Matt

neilcoburn
2006-06-09, 05:42
If the wireless causes a problem you could try these:

http://www.devolo.com/co_EN/

They are easy to set up and do work very well. Amazon sell them.

I'd also really recommend these. I had problems with the wireless connection between my main PC and router, and these solved them instantly.

Craig, James (IT)
2006-06-09, 05:52
I recently got a pair of Dynamode homeplug devices (cheaper than the
Devolo) and they're fantastic.
I had constant problems with my server -> router wireless connection
(squeezebox wired to router), mainly because there are 11 wireless
networks available in my flat. The homeplug network has solved the
problems completely.

James
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Heuer
2006-06-09, 05:53
Ok thanks guys, really helpful.

I'm pretty clear now. My only remaining thoughts is in regard to the Devolo stuff.

How many Devolo units would I need? One by my PC, one by the router and one by the SB3? And what benefit does that bring? Is is completely like a wired network with no wireless at all? And can I still use a Nokia 770 wirelessly?

Sorry if those questions sound stupid, its just tha the Devolo stuff looks good but i don't quite understand it.

Thanks,
Matt


You can still use wireless in combination with the Devolo units (they even do a WAP). This is just a way of getting a wired network without the hassle of running cables. If your router is connected to the PC then you only need a Devolo for the router and one for the SB3. If your PC is a long way from the router you could add a Devolo unit for that.

Every mains socket in your house becomes a possible ethernet socket. Benefits are: no cabling, no wireless dropouts and 85Mb transmission rates. Download the instructions from the Devolo site

Mark Lanctot
2006-06-09, 08:42
Why would this be preferable? I can't think of any reason...

More or less already answered, but you'd be avoiding the 2 wireless hop configuration.

1 wireless hop is enough.

I guess you're asking why would it be preferable to wire the server and not the SB over wiring the SB and not the server? That's a good point. The server's bandwidth needs will only be higher if it's used for other things than SlimServer, i.e. file sharing and Internet access.

I guess I was looking at it from the "always wire the server" rule.

NWP, I'm not so sure there's an advantage one way or the other when dealing with multiple SBs. Your total bandwidth with 802.11g is about 25 Mbps useable or less, which is shared among all devices. Therefore whether the 25 Mbps is shared between one big stream from the server, serving multiple SBs, or multiple streams from the router to each SB, it shouldn't matter - the same amount of bandwidth must be shared.