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Brian Ritchie
2006-03-27, 17:34
For historical reasons, much of my music is in WMA (not lossless). I'm having a couple of issues with this.

Firstly, replaygain for WMA doesn't seem to be honoured. I've used foobar2k to add RG tags to everything, and have verified using DBPowerAMP that the tags replay_{track,album}_{gain,peak} are being added to WMA files; but these aren't showing up on the track info display in the SS webiface, and it certainly sounds like RG isn't being applied during playback. (Most of the WMA files have been normalised - I know, I know - for my Zen and my car, so they're much louder than the FLAC/mp3s when RG is enabled.)

Secondly, I can't get fast-forward or rewind to work with WMA files. The player shows 2x, 4x, etc., but the sound simply halts, the progress bar doesn't change, pressing play once afterwards does nothing, and pressing play again simply restarts the track. I have an SB3, so WMA playback should be native, and so FF/RW should work, surely?

I tried disabling all but WMA (built-in) in Settings / File types, but that made no difference.

I tried updating to the 3-26 nightly (and firmware 35), but that made no difference to FF/RW, and introduced new problems (see elsewhere), so I've gone back to 2005-12-27 (and firmware 28).

I forgot to try RG again before going back; but I couldn't see anything obvious in the change log that suggested any possible problem with RG for WMA had been fixed since 12-27.

Has anyone else had these problems? (I've seen some mention of FF/WR, but not RG.) Has anyone else got either RG or FF/RW with WMA to work?

(I suppose an obvious question is whether I should be using something other than foobar2k for RG on WMA files?)

-- Brian

PS In case the foregoing may suggest otherwise, I still love my Squeezebox!

abdomen
2006-03-28, 08:53
FF/RW within tracks should work with WMA tracks as long as the format is not WMA Lossless, since it is a native format for the SB2/3. Have you searched bugs.slimdevices.com? If no such issue is listed, you may want to create a login for yourself there and post a new bug with an attached sample file and details of your Slimserver and firmware versions.

Unfortunately, I don't know whether there is volume normalization support for WMA. It would be awesome if someone who knows could post and/or add the details to the wiki (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AutomaticVolumeAdjustment).

Mark Lanctot
2006-03-28, 11:15
Unfortunately, I don't know whether there is volume normalization support for WMA. It would be awesome if someone who knows could post and/or add the details to the wiki (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?AutomaticVolumeAdjustment).

No support according to this:

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Replaygain

I'm not surprised. Microsoft likes to do things its way.

Brian Ritchie
2006-03-28, 15:20
FF/RW within tracks should work with WMA tracks as long as the format is not WMA Lossless, since it is a native format for the SB2/3. Have you searched bugs.slimdevices.com? If no such issue is listed, you may want to create a login for yourself there and post a new bug with an attached sample file and details of your Slimserver and firmware versions.

Thanks... took a while to hit the right search terms to eke it out, but the latest entry under http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571 reports this problem with 6.2.1. I could add that it's still happening with the 2005-12-27 nightly (which I'm using now), and that it still seemed to be a problem with 03-27 when I tried it briefly.

-- Brian

Brian Ritchie
2006-03-28, 15:32
No support according to this:

http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Replaygain

I'm not surprised. Microsoft likes to do things its way.

Yeah... I was rather hoping that absence of proof wasn't proof of absence :-). I guess I won't be using RG until I've replaced all my WMA files, or until WMA RG comes along. I have several thousand WMA files, so the race is on...

Seems odd that foobar is definitely adding the tags to the WMA files, since the docs don't list WMA support there either. (I have a vague memory that (general) WMA support was an add-on.) I suppose I could run some tests on foobar's own player (assuming OTTOMY that it *does* play WMA).

-- Brian

Mark Lanctot
2006-03-28, 16:35
Seems odd that foobar is definitely adding the tags to the WMA files, since the docs don't list WMA support there either. (I have a vague memory that (general) WMA support was an add-on.) I suppose I could run some tests on foobar's own player (assuming OTTOMY that it *does* play WMA).


I believe foobar is actually adding the RG data to its own database, not to the WMA files themselves. Or it's adding it to some sort of WMA metadata field that only it can read.

Brian Ritchie
2006-03-28, 17:53
I believe foobar is actually adding the RG data to its own database, not to the WMA files themselves. Or it's adding it to some sort of WMA metadata field that only it can read.

The replay_* tags show up when I look at the WMA files using DBPowerAMP, so I'm pretty sure foobar is adding them to the files. However, DBPowerAMP is the only thing that shows them at all (along with lots of other wierd and wonderful things :-)). But if foobar can read them - and act on them (I've yet to check) - then so could the Squeezebox, potentially...

-- Brian

abdomen
2006-03-29, 07:55
Thanks... took a while to hit the right search terms to eke it out, but the latest entry under http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571 reports this problem with 6.2.1. I could add that it's still happening with the 2005-12-27 nightly (which I'm using now), and that it still seemed to be a problem with 03-27 when I tried it briefly.

-- Brian
I see that you did add your experience to the bug comments. If I do have occasion to listen to WMA files, I'd be glad if I were able to FF/RW (with non-Lossless ones, anyhow), so thanks!

abdomen
2006-03-29, 07:55
Thanks... took a while to hit the right search terms to eke it out, but the latest entry under http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=571 reports this problem with 6.2.1. I could add that it's still happening with the 2005-12-27 nightly (which I'm using now), and that it still seemed to be a problem with 03-27 when I tried it briefly.

-- Brian
I see that you did add your experience to the bug comments. If I do have occasion to listen to WMA files, I'd be glad if I were able to FF/RW (with non-Lossless ones, anyhow), so thanks!