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arrowfire
2006-03-26, 12:45
First off a nice big slap in the face to slim devices for not working harder to support real content. Like no one in the world would want to listen to one of the most popular forms of content on the web. DUH!

Second, Thanks bunches to all who have tried to assist me with the installation of Alien BBC, I appreciate your patients and time.

Third and Final to the creators of Alien BBC. Write a damn installer file so that it doesnít take 5 million downloads of different files from different website and 10 million steps to install a program that doesnít work! Iím not always the brightest bulb in the bag, but I do have a masters degree, have been working with computer repair for both PC and MAC for over 10 years and in all that time have never come across a more difficult program to install!

Something tells me there is something really wrong as well when you have 3 versions of how to install posted on your website. WTF is up with that?

Sorry to offended any readers, but Iím Royally Pissed!

Sincerely,

Alien BBC Challenged!

P.S. Can Someone Make it Work?

jed
2006-03-26, 12:59
I'm new to slimserver but even I could get AlienBBC working, first off with the manual install, bear in mind that you will need all the extra files (mplayer and codecs etc.), then with the experimental install package (and yes I'm using windows) so I can't comment on the Mac/Linux install. To me it's an excellent plugin and I havn't had any problems with it.


Jed

lordypieman
2006-03-26, 13:01
It was a doddle to install. Three steps, took about ten minutes. It Rocks!

Lordypieman

stinkingpig
2006-03-26, 13:03
arrowfire wrote:
....
>
> Sorry to offended any readers, but Iím Royally Pissed!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alien BBC Challenged!
>
> P.S. Can Someone Make it Work?
>

You've really been very motivational... I must admit that anyone
involved in this open source project can now see the error of their
ways. Here they've been wasting time on day jobs, and families, and
pushing music software development off into the corners of their spare
time. On Slim Devices' part, how could they have been so foolish as to
hire tech support people and such when they clearly should have anyone
who can hunt-and-peck in there writing code to support streaming
RealAudio? I'm shocked that they bothered shipping a product before it
could play every codec ever published, or at least the top 15 or so.

More seriously, it's only the space in your subject line that got this
email past my AlienBBC=junk filter. It's a plugin, it provides a service
that I don't need or want, and it generates a lot of traffic on this list.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

crooner
2006-03-26, 13:03
Ditto, worked perfectly for me the first time I installed it...

kdf
2006-03-26, 13:21
consider it an intelligence test.
come back when you can avoid talking out of the wrong end.

I'm sure people will be more than willing to bend over backward to help
you when you can be more civil.
-k (long since run out of tolerance for abusive freeloaders) (and yes,
AlienBBC counts as free, since it is NOT what you pay for)

stevieweevie
2006-03-26, 13:28
Are you able to get in contact with the Mayor of Tuttle, Oklahoma? If so, he may be able to help you fix the issue, details click here (http://www.centos.org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=127).

Patrick Dixon
2006-03-26, 13:29
I think an installer is tricky because of all the licensing issues - not the AlienBBC developers' fault.

Personally, I think it's great, but I understand you're frustrated 'cos you can't get it to work.

Count to 10 and have another go.

kjg
2006-03-26, 14:48
arrowfire wrote:
> First off a nice big slap in the face to slim devices for not working
> harder to support real content. Like no one in the world would want to
> listen to one of the most popular forms of content on the web. DUH!
>
> Second, Thanks bunches to all who have tried to assist me with the
> installation of Alien BBC, I appreciate your patients and time.
>
> Third and Final to the creators of Alien BBC. Write a damn installer
> file so that it doesnít take 5 million downloads of different files
> from different website and 10 million steps to install a program that
> doesnít work! Iím not always the brightest bulb in the bag, but I do
> have a masters degree, have been working with computer repair for both
> PC and MAC for over 10 years and in all that time have never come
> across a more difficult program to install!
>
> Something tells me there is something really wrong as well when you
> have 3 versions of how to install posted on your website. WTF is up
> with that?
>
> Sorry to offended any readers, but Iím Royally Pissed!
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Alien BBC Challenged!
>
> P.S. Can Someone Make it Work?
>

I'll support you since so many on this forum apparently won't. I
entirely agree that an installer would not just be useful, but is
probably essential for those that would like to use Alien BBC but chose
to spend their lives learning things other than inner workings of
computers. However, the software is free and the developers have chosen
to spend their time honing it's functionality instead of creating what
is likely to be a fairly tricky installer for it. You can't fault them
for this since it's their time, but I do agree that a bit of effort
preparing an installer would make it much more accessible to the less
technically inclined, and more reliable for everyone.

That said, I have to say that your expectations are a bit high for
freebie software, but you have every right to be a tad upset at
SlimDevices for not trying to raise the bar with respect to usability.
I'm not entirely sure how they would do this in an open source
environment, or if it's even possible, but I'd point my finger their way
since it's they who benefit most from the wide range of third party
software that is being developed for slim server. Any way that they
would be able to encourage a higher degree of usability for software
from the developer community would certainly be beneficial to everyone.

Anyway, I get your frustration but can only say that at this stage of
the game a bit of patience, a tenacious nature and some technical
expertise is going to be necessary to get everything you want. I can say
for a fact that it's well worth the effort, even if in a perfect world
that effort shouldn't be necessary. I say step back a bit and try it
again with a running start. I'm confident that you'll find a way to make
to work :).

To everyone that responded with "I had no problems" or "works fine for
me, what's wrong with you" I say shame on you. The post reflects a
legitimate frustration that while couched in somewhat rough terms, does
express sentiments that lots of people have regarding installation in
general. To dismiss it and the poster outright by simply stating that
your experience was different is to say the least, unfair, and only
serves to shut down the conversation without being the least bit
constructive. This kind of behavior diminishes the helpfulness of these
forums and makes others shy about bringing their problems here. People
have emotions and we should not require that they put them on hold to
participate here. Short of being offensive or threatening, folks should
be able to speak their minds in ways that make their points as clearly
as possible. I see this post as doing just that.

- Ken

Mark Lanctot
2006-03-26, 15:07
Short of being offensive or threatening


First off a nice big slap in the face to slim devices

Line already crossed, IMO.

There are ways to ask a question and express frustration in a way that makes others want to help you, and there are ways to do it that will cause them to dismiss you and your concerns.

dean
2006-03-26, 15:21
On Mar 26, 2006, at 11:45 AM, arrowfire wrote:
> First off a nice big slap in the face to slim devices for not working
> harder to support real content.

(Turns other cheek.)

Kevin O. Lepard
2006-03-26, 15:35
>you have every right to be a tad upset at SlimDevices for not trying
>to raise the bar with respect to usability

I disagree. AlienBBC isn't a SlimDevices product, they don't support
it, and they're not responsible for it. I'm sure they'd like it to
be dead-dog easy, but it isn't. But it does work, plenty of people
use it. Don't expect a lot of help around here for a whiny rant.

>shut down the conversation without being the least bit constructive

The original post was neither helpful nor constructive.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

kdf
2006-03-26, 15:53
On 26-Mar-06, at 1:48 PM, Ken wrote:
> Short of being offensive or threatening, folks should be able to speak
> their minds in ways that make their points as clearly as possible. I
> see this post as doing just that.
>
and why is it shame on them for speaking THEIR minds???
goes both ways, btw.
-k

danco
2006-03-26, 16:00
Something tells me there is something really wrong as well when you have 3 versions of how to install posted on your website. WTF is up with that?



I have to agree with you on this. It really is time that these instructions got tidied up.

I assume you are trying to install on a Mac. The AlienBBC people don't have access to Macs. The instructions were posted by users who were simply reporting on what they did to make it work. Some of the instructions were by me. Then other people jumped in with improvements to my advice, and some corrections.

Part of the reason for multiple instructions is that the sites hosting mplayer changed, and we had to suggest other places to get it and the related codec.

And then the structure of mplayer changed. The version I first installed needed its codec in one folder, the newer version needed it in another folder, so there were further modifications.

The newest version of mplayer for Windows (and Linux?) does not need the additional codec, but there isn't a Mac version with this facility yet.

And the licence for the codec that is currently needed prohibits its use in a bundle, so it can't be included in an installer.

Beyond that, at least on the versions of the OS I am using, one of the standard paths /usr/local/bin is not included in the list of paths to search in whichever Unix file is involved (I can't remember which). This means, as noted in the instructions. that you may need to make a change in mplayer.sh.


At present you may need to read all the different instructions, and see what's what, and make sure you have checked *all* the points raised. It isn't that difficult, I've done it more than once (having had to make changes when I installed a newer version of mplayer and of AlienBBC).

If you really want help rather than ranting, post in the Plugins forum with some details of what you have done, and maybe some logs. Have you got mplayer itself working? What happens if you try starting SlimServer from the command line?

stinkingpig
2006-03-26, 16:27
Ken wrote:
....
>
> To everyone that responded with "I had no problems" or "works fine for
> me, what's wrong with you" I say shame on you. The post reflects a
> legitimate frustration that while couched in somewhat rough terms,
> does express sentiments that lots of people have regarding
> installation in general. To dismiss it and the poster outright by
> simply stating that your experience was different is to say the least,
> unfair, and only serves to shut down the conversation without being
> the least bit constructive. This kind of behavior diminishes the
> helpfulness of these forums and makes others shy about bringing their
> problems here. People have emotions and we should not require that
> they put them on hold to participate here. Short of being offensive or
> threatening, folks should be able to speak their minds in ways that
> make their points as clearly as possible. I see this post as doing
> just that.
>
> - Ken
I'm sorry, but his post was offensive, and therefore this position is
ethically wrong. It is not okay to be uncivil, online or off. By
analogy, you're saying that it's okay to yell at the staff in a
restaurant if you aren't happy with the service. Even if it was morally
defensible, it's also kind of foolish to be so uncivil to the very
people that you still want help from :)

If one does yell at the staff, one should be prepared to be mocked by
the other patrons.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

Andrew L. Weekes
2006-03-26, 17:15
I can understand the original poster's frustration, as I've had more than my fair share of AlienBBC problems, on XP and then Linux, but I don't believe expressing them in that way is likely to help anyone, least of all the original poster.

I've had similar thoughts too, in the heat of my frustration, but once you realise that...

a) No support for RealAudio is offered by SlimDevices out of the box (and to do so would add costs to you, the customer)

b) AlienBBC is free and is the result of some very talented and generous people just trying to offer the results of their not inconsiderable efforts to others.

...I expected to get as much support as I'd paid for :)

The actual help I got though, in both cases, was above and beyond this to a *huge* degree, no doubt helped by the fact I didn't rant at the only people who were really capable of helping ;)

I think part of the 'problem' is that AlienBBC is so damn awesome when it's working, the frustration when it doesn't is that much worse!

Yes, of course, it's installation process is not beyond constructive criticism, but I bet the developers are as aware, if not more so, of those potential criticisms. It's hard though offering the fruits of one's personal labours to others and then trying to provide the support you want to, whilst juggling work, life, families and fun. I know!

I personally feel that the AlienBBC functionality could be a big marketing plus to Slim Devices, especially in the UK. Maybe it should become more of a core part of Slimserver? It would be a total killer app if the ability to record the stream could be integrated too (hint!).

Slim Devices are doing something very different to almost anyone out there, leveraging the power of open source and offering some amazing functionality. It's both their power and their Achile's heel in my view.

The power is in the skills of the developers, and the versatility and flexibility of the software. The vulnerability is the 'geeky' nature it can appear to bring, along with the occasional problem and what seems like a focus that's biased towards features, instead of core issues like the critical user interface.

Overall though I think of it as being part of a community and the occasional problem is just a learning experience with an opportunity to help provide feedback to further help others and hopefully improve things for future releases.

Andy (who now has stylus cramp from typing this on a PDA!)

stinkingpig
2006-03-26, 19:35
Andrew L.Weekes wrote:
....
> I personally feel that the AlienBBC functionality could be a big
> marketing plus to Slim Devices, especially in the UK. Maybe it should
> become more of a core part of Slimserver? It would be a total killer
> app if the ability to record the stream could be integrated too
> (hint!).
>
....

It'd be great alright, but the legality of mplayer and a Real codec has
been seriously questionable in the USA thanks to the Digital Millenium
Copyright Act. Individual users aren't worth hunting down and suing, but
Slim Devices, Inc. is a bigger target.

Add to that the fact that it would increase the support workload by
quite a bit, and leaving it as a plugin makes more sense. I'm leaving
installation issues out of that support workload too, mplayer and the
Real codec just have issues in my personal experience.

Anyway, I'd watch SqueezeNetwork, because if they ever get it worked out
there, that would possibly telegraph that the technical and legal issues
were defanged enough to be supportable.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

rudholm
2006-03-26, 19:47
Personally, I'm happy Slim doesn't support Real. That company and its products stink, IMO.

arrowfire
2006-03-27, 03:25
Thank you everyone who has writen on this tread.

Im still totally confused with the instalation.

I have tried 95% of the suggestions long before ever writing a comment here.

The only reason I wrote here was because this is a forum, a place for pleople to ask questions, give advice and vent frustration and so on.

I understand the reasons now for why there is not a universal installer. But still the instructions could be cleaned up and made less confusing. My self I copied and pasted all the instructions into a word document, sorted things our and had a master list of things to try and make sure I did.

But none of it worked. :(

Its not like I have not tried to make this work.

To all of you that it works for Im glad for you.

To all of you who trashed be me for being expresive and frustrated, get used to it, thats what life is all about, I can accept your flaming of me so accept my frustration.

To everyone who has worked on any and all of the codes and writing and creating instalation instructions. Thank you, I do understand and undertsood before I wrote before that you all are volunteers and that you work on this for the love of the software and the desire to help create better free open source programs.

But just becuase your your not paid to do something doesnt mean your not open for critisism. Ive been a volunteer in many organizations for many years. I spend countless hours of my personal time orangizing funtions and events and fundraisers and for all I dont get paid. In the end I still have to hear people complain that they could do it better, or that I screwed up or what ever engative they might have to say. For me it only makes me work harder for these organizations.

Thank you to eveyone and as I said before Im sorry for offending anyone, but I was venting and frustraited. IM still frustraited, but not pissed like I was.

Cheers all!

bpa
2006-03-27, 03:47
The main problem with AlienBBC is the intsallation of mplayer which is an open source project - the problem is the up to date version do not have proper installers.

To date you have mentioned your problem but not provided any details of your system, OS nor the sort of errors you are seeing. Also it is not clear whether you upgraded to 6.5 or not.

If you are on Windows use the installer. However there can be problems with Firewall, anti spyware and antivirus software which can stop AlienBBC from working. So by giving details of your problem you may get a quick response.

If you are on Linux - you need to get mplayer running on your system first. If you gives details of the flavour or system (e.g. ubuntu, Suse, Linkstation, Fedora, Debian Solaris, etc) so people can give specific help as mplayer varies from system to system.

If you are on Mac - you should give the OS version as there are problems with new version of mplayer with older OSX and older mplayer version wiuth latest OSX. Also there are issues with mplayer.sh

In the end - nobody can help without raw information.

nicktf
2006-03-27, 05:16
...Perhaps you might consider modifying this thread title to "AlienBBC Install process SUCKS Big Time!" as you haven't had the opportunity to sample the plugin yet. I'd hate for this header to put anyone else off this excellent (essential as far as I'm concerned) plug-in

Cheers

Nick

danco
2006-03-27, 05:39
Thank you everyone who has writen on this tread.

Im still totally confused with the instalation.

I have tried 95% of the suggestions long before ever writing a comment here.

The only reason I wrote here was because this is a forum, a place for pleople to ask questions, give advice and vent frustration and so on.

I understand the reasons now for why there is not a universal installer. But still the instructions could be cleaned up and made less confusing.

As bpa suggests, why not give us more information. We don't even know what OS you are using.

I would suggest that, if you want help, you post proper details in the 3rd party plugins forum, which is rather more focussed than this one.

Begin by telling us your OS, where you placed mplayer and the codec, and if you are using Mac (as I suspect you are), as suggested in the instructions, run mplayer in Terminal on some BBC programme and give us the details of what shows up.

We will then have some information that will let us help you. It's frustrating for us to face posts which are the equivalent of "My computer doesn't work. Help!"

All I can say at the moment is that it took me some time and effort to get AlienBBC working, but I managed it for myself even when there were no instructions.

You could have missed something very simple. For instance, if you tried to edit mplayer.sh in TextEdit, it will go wrong as TextEdit does not preserve Unix line endings.

Yes, we do need to change the instructions for Mac installation.. I'm wondering, though, if we should wait until there is a Mac version of mplayer that doesn't require the codec - such a version exists on other platforms.

Jungle
2006-03-27, 06:18
Thank you everyone who has writen on this tread.

Im still totally confused with the instalation.
....
Cheers all!

Look, if it's any consolation, most of us who are using AlienBBC probably lost hair/sanity in the process - it can be a complicated install. As for the multiple installation instructions, this is because the installers found that different environments seemed to need different configs, even on a common OS. My own OSX install notes were done after I had struggled for several days - eventually getting over the finish line with the help of others on this forum. If my instructions caused you grief, my apologies and I'd be more than happy if you improved them.

My advice: DO persist. Accept offers of help from posters here - they tend to have a lot of experience. AlienBBC is wonderful when you get it working but it is complex, probably because it requires other software modules (mplayer etc) to work. As such, let people know what OS and configuration you are running and then see how things go.

Seineseeker
2006-03-27, 08:56
Really thats no way to go about things.

AlienBBC did work for me, but now its stopped working. Very annoying as I was getting into it. But I dont blame the developers of AlienBBC, I'm just waiting till I've got the mental energy to go back to basics and reinstall and see if I can find the problem. That's life. We cant be spoon fed everything.

kdf
2006-03-27, 10:08
On 27-Mar-06, at 2:25 AM, arrowfire wrote:

>
> Thank you everyone who has writen on this tread.
>
> Im still totally confused with the instalation.
>
Please post details on the Plugin forum as requested by the AlienBBC
authors in their announcements.
Please provide details of your server version, os, the version of
mplayer that you have installed and some kind of description of the
problem that you are seeing (white noice on playback, no connection,
etc). the authors are extremely dedicated, helpful and
responsive...but they need the initial details to start, and you need
to be patient and allow the process to step through preliminary
questions and tests to determine the exact nature of the issue.

cheers,
-kdf

Kyle
2006-03-27, 11:47
It took me several weeks and many posts to get AlienBBC to work, and the developers were very kind and patient with me. This is not a consumer product with tech support. It's some guys who worked hard to find a solution to their own needs and were generous enough to share it and their time with others. Frustration is one thing, and we've all been frustrated by computers that don't do what we think they should, but rudeness is quite another. No one flamed you for your frustration.

arrowfire
2006-03-27, 16:22
Okay, I agree with you, now How do I change the thread to be "AlienBBC Install process SUCKS Big Time!"

Here is my OS info and version info.

Mac OS X Version 10.4.5

Slimserver Version 6.5b1

I followed the links in the first version of the installation instructions and downloaded the version available through those links for everthing else.

I put all the items in the correct folder as instructed including useing the go function to access the hidden folders.

I Open the file "slimserver-convert.conf" and comment out (add a hash character to the start of the line) the 6 lines that follow "# Default mplayer up to pre6". Then uncomment, remove the # character from, the 6 lines that follow "# Alternative for mplayer pre7 or later". (Although I have to admit I don't know if I did it right)

I ran the test at the end and it said it could not find the player.

I know its all my fault, I know I did't do something right, its a case of O.E. Operator Error Im sure of now after reading all the post before me.

So if I can be helped, any please? Other wise as I mentioned before I didnt start off asking for help, I was more venting as I had been given help before on this and it just seems to hard to get something that seems like it could be so simple to get working.

Sincerely,

Helpless in Indy :)

Yannzola
2006-03-27, 16:51
Slimserver Version 6.5b1

First off, if you have a low tolerance for bugs, I'd recommend =not= installing the latest bleeding edge BETA version of the software. Try the official 6.2.1 build or the 6.2.2 nightly. Much more stable.

Try that and see if it works.

y.

bpa
2006-03-27, 16:51
I don't have a Mac so the following is my best guess - I expect some other Mac/AlienBBC user to pitch in.

I think there is a mixture of versions of AlienBBC on your system and you have installed a version for 6.2 because in Slimserver 6.5 the file slimserver-convert.conf is no longer in the Slim directory but is called convert.conf in the Plugin/Alien directory.

So I suggest, first get mplayer working, then delete the Plugins/ALien folder and re-install AlienBBC 1.01 for 6.5

Install mplayer using the version 15th March at then end of the mplayer page under the "Download Mac"
http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/mplayer.html
AFAIK to install, unpack the mplayer file and copy it to /usr/local/bin - don't forget to set permissions and ownership as per your own system.

There is only one file needed with this new version so you can ignore all the other info about codecs. Also there is no need to edit the convert.conf file.

Test mplayer that it works from a Terminal, for example.

mplayer -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/shows/rpms/radio2/paul_jones.rpm


Now Install AlienBBC from this link
http://www.x2systems.com/alienbbc/alienbbc_1.01.linux-6.5.tar.gz

A problem with this distribution has been found wrt recent versions of OSX and it needs the mplayer.sh file to be edited. Change the line
app=mplayer
to
app=/usr/local/bin/mplayer

jfo
2006-03-27, 21:08
It took me several weeks and many posts to get AlienBBC to work, and the developers were very kind and patient with me. This is not a consumer product with tech support. It's some guys who worked hard to find a solution to their own needs and were generous enough to share it and their time with others. Frustration is one thing, and we've all been frustrated by computers that don't do what we think they should, but rudeness is quite another. No one flamed you for your frustration.

This won't make the poster who started this thread feel better, but for those who may avoid trying Alien BBC after reading about the difficulty, I thought I would pass this along...at least for XP users. I downloaded the "Experimental Install Pack", installed in about 30seconds, restarted Slimserver and it was up and running with no further action needed.

Jim

Kyle
2006-03-27, 21:22
This won't make the poster who started this thread feel better, but for those who may avoid trying Alien BBC after reading about the difficulty, I thought I would pass this along...at least for XP users. I downloaded the "Experimental Install Pack", installed in about 30seconds, restarted Slimserver and it was up and running with no further action needed.

Jim

After my problem was resolved, the install pack was updated to prevent others from having similar difficulties. I think if I downloaded it now, it would be a much easier process. My point was: if you are willing to work (nicely) with the developers and others, you'll most likely be able to get any problem eventually resolved.

axiomatic
2006-03-27, 23:06
Thanks to everybody involved in developing AlienBBC and all the software that makes it possible. AlienBBC adds awesome capabilities to SB for fans of the many kinds of programming it makes available, from the Met opera to Dub Bashment.

Thanks to everybody involved in creating the several sets of installation instructions for Mac users. I'm happy nobody decided "One set of instructions is enough": each was helpful at different moments.

Thanks to SlimDevices and all the forum folks for fostering the kind of community that makes such an application available and that provides a place to ask and answer questions about the care and feeding of our SBs.

danco
2006-03-28, 00:23
When I posted the original instructions, I had to assume a certain level of knowledge on the part of users. The debugging test I suggested says "for instance, type "mplayer -playlist ..."

I said this because at that stage it seemed likely that people might be installing mplayer in all sorts of places, and I thought they would realise that one might need to specify the exact path to mplayer.

When you say you "ran the test at the end" I assume you mean trying with "mplayer -playlist ..."

Due to an issue with Mac OS (essentially that the PATH environment variable is not detailed enough) this will report that the player is not found.

You have to type

/usr/local/bin/mplayer -playlist ...

assuming that you have (as you probably have) mplayer in /usr/local/bin

Also, as the instructions do say, you have to modify mplayer.sh (the AlienBBC people are currently looking into ways of getting rid of this step) so that, near the beginning,

app=mplayer

is changed into

app=/usr/local/bin/mplayer.

What that instruction doesn't say is that you MUST NOT use TextEdit to make that change. TextEdit does not preserve Unix line endings, and this screws things up. Edit in the Terminal if you are used to Unix, or download a text editor such as TextWrangler (free) or Tex-Edit Plus which have options to save with Unix line endings.

Oh, and the BBC radio stations take at least ten seconds, maybe more, to start up once you have chosen one to play. It is probably best to increase the Radio Station Timeout (from the web interface , Server settings, Network).

danco
2006-03-28, 00:30
Oh, and another point. You said you commented out some of the lines in slimserver-convert.conf and uncommented others.

If you are using a recent version of AlienBBC, this shouldn't be necessary as the lines were as they should be.

Also, there is a question about which version of mplayer you were using. If it is at all recent, it will indeed be "pre 7 or later" though the Mac version does not indicate that, and you have to rely on its date. If you get mplayer working from the Terminal, the messages in the Terminal will say the date almost at once as CVS followed by a date.

gorman
2006-03-28, 02:17
I'm not (yet?) a user of this plugin, but I just felt like expressing my gratitude to all these people that spend their time to donate something freely to the community.

I won't judge the original poster, frustration and anger happen to everybody, from time to time.

It's really just a thank you to the developers! :)

Peter van der Landen
2006-03-28, 04:00
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 01:17:27 -0800, "gorman"
<gorman.25dhnb1143537601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> I'm not (yet?) a user of this plugin, but I just felt like expressing my
> gratitude to all these people that spend their time to donate something
> freely to the community.

Absolutely.

> I won't judge the original poster, frustration and anger happen to
> everybody, from time to time.
>
> It's really just a thank you to the developers! :)

There's another issue here, IMO. Shouldn't Slim Devices incorporate
Internet Radio into the Slimserver themselves instead of relying on
unpaid amateurs (like us) who most of the time don't really have the
time to create a finished polished end-user product?

I've loooked at the BBC plugin, but it looked very complicated to
install on my Linux server. I'd like to be able to listen to BBC
stations (and Dutch public Radio) out of the box. I don't think that's
too much to ask from a device that costs 300 EURO's.

Regards,
Peter

danco
2006-03-28, 04:46
Many of the Internet Radio options (e.g. Shoutcast, Radio365, and, of course, Squeezenetwork) are part of SlimServer.

The problem with the BBC stations is that they need mplayer and, because of licencing issues, I think this has to be installed separately.

It really is not that difficult to install AlienBBC, especially as the latest version of mplayer does not require additional codecs.

Peter van der Landen
2006-03-28, 06:10
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 03:46:19 -0800, "danco"
<danco.25dolb1143546601 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> Many of the Internet Radio options (e.g. Shoutcast, Radio365, and, of
> course, Squeezenetwork) are part of SlimServer.
>
> The problem with the BBC stations is that they need mplayer and,
> because of licencing issues, I think this has to be installed
> separately.
>
> It really is not that difficult to install AlienBBC, especially as the
> latest version of mplayer does not require additional codecs.

I'm sad to hear this, cause I failed miserably... :(

Regards,
Peter

danco
2006-03-28, 07:55
I have only istalled for the Mac, but Linux should be easier.

What difficulties did you have?

Does mplayer work?

give details - though I think you should post in the Plugins forum and not here - and I am sure the community will get you working. It is just possible that there are issues with your version of Linux, but, again, tell us and you will get help.

The Mac instructions, though they are a touch messy, may help you with the debugging. Obviously, they don't apply exactly on Linux, but if you are used to Linux it should not be difficult to work out the Linux equivalent.

Peter van der Landen
2006-03-28, 08:10
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:55:00 -0800, "danco"
<danco.25dx5o1143557702 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> I have only istalled for the Mac, but Linux should be easier.
>
> What difficulties did you have?

I'm probably guilty of giving up to quickly.

> Does mplayer work?

Yes, at least I use mplayer for playing video all the time.
And VLC controlled by my squeezebox remote over

> give details - though I think you should post in the Plugins forum and
> not here - and I am sure the community will get you working. It is just
> possible that there are issues with your version of Linux, but, again,
> tell us and you will get help.

OK, I'll try that, next time I feel like giving it a try ;)

> The Mac instructions, though they are a touch messy, may help you with
> the debugging. Obviously, they don't apply exactly on Linux, but if you
> are used to Linux it should not be difficult to work out the Linux
> equivalent.

Thanks, I'l keep it in mind!

Regards,
Peter

Peter van der Landen
2006-03-28, 08:11
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 06:55:00 -0800, "danco"
<danco.25dx5o1143557702 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> I have only istalled for the Mac, but Linux should be easier.
>
> What difficulties did you have?

I'm probably guilty of giving up to quickly.

> Does mplayer work?

Yes, at least I use mplayer for playing video all the time.
And VLC controlled by my squeezebox remote over LIRC.

> give details - though I think you should post in the Plugins forum and
> not here - and I am sure the community will get you working. It is just
> possible that there are issues with your version of Linux, but, again,
> tell us and you will get help.

OK, I'll try that, next time I feel like giving it a try ;)

> The Mac instructions, though they are a touch messy, may help you with
> the debugging. Obviously, they don't apply exactly on Linux, but if you
> are used to Linux it should not be difficult to work out the Linux
> equivalent.

Thanks, I'll keep it in mind!

Regards,
Peter

danco
2006-03-28, 09:09
And you did remember to install the relevant audio codecs (not needed for the latest mplayer, though) in the right place?

Peter van der Landen
2006-03-28, 09:27
On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:09:48 -0800, "danco"
<danco.25e0mo1143562202 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> said:
>
> And you did remember to install the relevant audio codecs (not needed
> for the latest mplayer, though) in the right place?

I'm not entirely sure what I did and where things started failing, I
forgot to remember. :(

I'm running MPlayer 1.0pre7try2-3.2.3 though...

As I said, I gave up pretty quickly.

Regards,
Peter