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Pale Blue Ego
2006-02-23, 09:51
I'm thinking the folks at Slim have been a little too quiet lately. Either they're bogged down filling orders, out blowing their recently-acquired fortunes, or working up some new stuff in the lab.

So, what might the next hardware offering be? I've got 2 ideas that spring to mind:

1 - A component-sized SB. This has been talked about for a long time, but with a lot of feature requests and technical details ironed out in the SB2/3, maybe it's time they built a premium offering in the $1000 range. What could they possibly add or change to make it worth 3x as much?

a - Heavy, shielded, rack-mountable case with the thick, milled front panel audiophiles cream over.

b - Heavy-duty power supply. Lots of mods in the audiophile community suggest this is an area for possible improvement

c - bigger display. A full-sized case would allow for a wider display panel which would reduce scrolling

d - Front panel controls. There has been some demand for this, and the larger front panel would allow space for it.

e - the ability to defeat the analog circuitry, headphone output, display, etc. Probably wouldn't make any difference in the sound, but audiophiles like being able to defeat unused circuitry that *might* interfere with the signal.

f - standard AC socket so audiophiles can use their own $3000 power cords if desired.

g - balanced analog outputs for those with fully balanced systems

h - larger buffer. The more something costs, the less people will put up with playback glitches. No reason not to put an even larger buffer on board to make dropouts extremely rare, even with non-optimal wireless connections.

i - upgraded remote, which is actually my 2nd speculation - see below.
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2 - a premium remote control dedicated to making the SB experience easier, more fun and enjoyable. It would have a bright, vivid color LCD screen at least 320 x 240 pixels. Album art and track details are displayed as the song plays. Browse by album cover is possible (touch screen?). Backlighting is essential. RF is standard, so you don't need line-of-sight. These technologies tend to be pretty expensive, so the remote might cost more than the actual SB! I'm thinking in the $300 - $500 range. A lot of people would want it, though. It's a nice upgrade for existing SB die-hards, and I'm guessing a significant number of new orders would go for the upgrade remote, too.

fuzzyT
2006-02-23, 10:21
I'm not sure I actually expect this is happening, but as long as you're
spec'ing out the "SB - Audiophile Edition" I'll chime in with request
for AES/EBU digital outputs to go with your balanced analog outputs.

Steve Baumgarten
2006-02-23, 10:26
They're working on the Slim Boombox I'm going to buy from them so I can
listen to it out on my deck and when I'm working in my yard this spring.

Come on guys, just a couple more months to go...

;-)

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Kevin O. Lepard
2006-02-23, 10:55
>c - bigger display. A full-sized case would allow for a wider display
>panel which would reduce scrolling

and TALLER, so you can see the fonts from across the room without
having to use the huge one that removes all the other information.

>d - Front panel controls. There has been some demand for this, and the
>larger front panel would allow space for it.

That'd be nice, too.
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Mark Lanctot
2006-02-23, 11:10
It could be something completely different! Follow...

From www.seanadams.com, there's a link to here (http://www.eetimes.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=26806414), an article about the CEO of everyone's favourite company.

The last line of the article reads:


The flare for design carries over to his home life, too. "I just bought a new house, and I am working on wiring up lights and cameras as part of a home automation system," Adams said.

So perhaps Slim Devices will come out with home automation projects?

Not as exciting as a Squeezebox, but a possibility perhaps.

Mark Lanctot
2006-02-23, 11:16
I'm thinking the folks at Slim have been a little too quiet lately. Either they're bogged down filling orders, out blowing their recently-acquired fortunes, or working up some new stuff in the lab.

Interesting - perhaps they would first focus on some "most requested" features like:



b - Heavy-duty power supply. Lots of mods in the audiophile community suggest this is an area for possible improvement

d - Front panel controls. There has been some demand for this, and the larger front panel would allow space for it.

i - upgraded remote, which is actually my 2nd speculation - see below.
________________________________________________

2 - a premium remote control dedicated to making the SB experience easier, more fun and enjoyable. It would have a bright, vivid color LCD screen at least 320 x 240 pixels. Album art and track details are displayed as the song plays. Browse by album cover is possible (touch screen?). Backlighting is essential. RF is standard, so you don't need line-of-sight. These technologies tend to be pretty expensive, so the remote might cost more than the actual SB! I'm thinking in the $300 - $500 range. A lot of people would want it, though. It's a nice upgrade for existing SB die-hards, and I'm guessing a significant number of new orders would go for the upgrade remote, too.

Anyone browsing the forums sees regular requests for that stuff.

Personally, an upgraded remote would be interesting to me as the Nokia 770 is not likely to be available in my country anytime soon. Unfortunately I'm in a cash crunch at the moment.

I agree with Steve, there are lots of requests for a Slim boombox too. Perhaps it could be combined with a "clock radio" Squeezebox or perhaps it'll be a separate piece of hardware.

I'll add another item for speculation:

- moving SlimServer to some sort of native application with full animation and more advanced controls. How many times have we seen "how come SlimServer doesn't play music on its own?", "why doesn't SlimServer have a progress bar" and "why doesn't SlimServer show me the progress it's making when rescanning?" All these would be solved by a native app. Perhaps it could be built on Firefox, much like Songbird.

Kevin O. Lepard
2006-02-23, 11:30
>So perhaps Slim Devices will come out with home automation projects?

Well, I'm certainly interested in this, but it sure would look like a
loss of focus to branch out into home automation.

I concur with a prior poster that the next Squeezebox-type product
will be a boombox of some sort. Ideally, it would connect to any
WiFi nextwork and be able to play your own music streamed from your
library over SSH.

Hey, the thread does say "Speculate here." :-)

Kevin
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Mike Meyer
2006-02-23, 11:56
Sounds like he's possibly working on an Etch-A-Squeeze. It will draw out your Now Playing display as you are listening.

Kevin O. Lepard
2006-02-23, 11:57
>I agree with Steve, there are lots of requests for a Slim boombox too.
>Perhaps it could be combined with a "clock radio" Squeezebox or perhaps
>it'll be a separate piece of hardware.

I would like a clock-radio boom-box type item. A clock, though,
would have to be able to function disconnected from power and network
sources. I don't want to be late to work because we had a power or
network outage.

Kevin
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Mark Lanctot
2006-02-23, 12:04
Well, I'm certainly interested in this, but it sure would look like a
loss of focus to branch out into home automation.


True. However there's nothing in the company's name that would preclude them from doing so, and there's another line in the article:


Today the 25-year-old Adams has sold some 10,000 MP3 players and has a new line of networked consumer devices in the works.

The article is dated 08/09/2004. The Squeezebox2 was released April 2005. It could be that that's what they are alluding to, but the wording is "a new line of networked consumer devices" not "a new audio player".

No wonder why the Slim guys keep quiet about future products. We (or at least me) will dissect the smallest crumb of info. ;-)

But I agree that yes, compared to Roku, they could make a whole variety of different audio products based on the Squeezebox. Sean has said that focusing on one product keeps inventory and technical support costs low. There's definitely something to be said for that. However all evidence points to skyrocketing SB3 sales and the company seems to be hiring like crazy. There's probably enough room for new products now.

Marc Sherman
2006-02-23, 12:15
Steve Baumgarten wrote:
> They're working on the Slim Boombox I'm going to buy from them so I can
> listen to it out on my deck and when I'm working in my yard this spring.

I'll buy 3. Well, I'll buy 1, make sure it works with wireless in the 3
rooms I'd like to put it, then buy another 2.

That's a promise!

- Marc

Kyle
2006-02-23, 13:00
A full-function remote would be tops on my wishlist. I used a Bose system over the weekend that had a remote with an LCD on which you could scroll through your entire collection. My SB3 is hooked up to a whole-house audio system, so I'm often not in front of the unit when I want to change tracks, etc. Although I can use my Sony Clie or laptop, to me they're not as handy as this type of dedicated remote.

EDIT: Oh, and I'd buy a boombox, too.

AndyMac
2006-02-23, 13:14
[QUOTE=Marc Sherman]Steve Baumgarten wrote:
> They're working on the Slim Boombox I'm going to buy from them so I can
> listen to it out on my deck and when I'm working in my yard this spring.

I'll buy 3.

Count me in as well. Maybe not three of them but definitely one!

I would be interested in an audio component version too. I just sold my Audiotron on eBay to fund 2nd&3rd SB3 purchases. I did like how that fit in with my other equipment.

mkozlows
2006-02-23, 18:07
I'm thinking the folks at Slim have been a little too quiet lately. Either they're bogged down filling orders, out blowing their recently-acquired fortunes, or working up some new stuff in the lab.

Prepping for the Pandora SqueezeNetwork stuff, most likely...

stinkingpig
2006-02-23, 18:58
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
> I'm thinking the folks at Slim have been a little too quiet lately.
> Either they're bogged down filling orders, out blowing their
> recently-acquired fortunes, or working up some new stuff in the lab.
>
> So, what might the next hardware offering be? I've got 2 ideas that
> spring to mind:
>
....

I could care less about component sized or audiophile or a fancy remote,
but I would LOVE to have a Squeezeboombox.

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kefa
2006-02-24, 00:49
HDMI outputs. Not convinced wi-fi g is really up to it, plus there's the matter of insufficient media, but I would like to be able to get rid of the dvd player as well as the cd player!

empty99
2006-02-24, 01:42
by the millions. Slimservers too geeky, not suitable for music appliances.
SB3>MFA3.24DAC>Alps pot>2 Naks PA7s>B&W802Nautilus
After 2 months ownership, still could not figure out if Slim is porting over Itunes data at all since no playlists appear on SB. Only songs with truncated names and titles. Truly weird wild stuffs! But SB3 sure sounds so much better than Roku gear.

Bart
2006-02-24, 01:47
Prepping for the Pandora SqueezeNetwork stuff, most likely...
Busy working out how Pandora/SqueezeNetwork is going to benefit anyone outside the US...

dip
2006-02-24, 05:41
A big color LCD display which allows to display art work during playback and even during browse music (for the cases you don't know the name of an album but you exactly know how the cover looks like).

GoCubs
2006-02-24, 07:42
How about video output? Either just for a user interface or maybe even ultimately to stream video libraries and cool audio/video plugins...

-Greg

slimdemage
2006-02-24, 11:50
I predict a new QA department that thoroughly tests products before shipping. I predict they work hard to create a better "out-of-box" experience. I predict they source higher quality wireless cards and power supplies. If this was all they did for a year I would buy (3).

Mitch G
2006-02-24, 12:02
Satellite Radio Killer:
Satellite radio like car unit that can blue tooth or otherwise connect to an internet capable mobile phone and has an aux-out and/or built-in FM modulator.

In other words, use the cellular/PCS data network that is being deployed to stream internet radio stations, squeeze network or even attach to your slimserver back home.

But, a video streaming capability would be cool too. :)


Mitch

fathom39
2006-02-24, 13:52
A big color LCD display which allows to display art work during playback and even during browse music (for the cases you don't know the name of an album but you exactly know how the cover looks like).


While they are at it they should make it touchscreen/stylus capable with a default jukebox skin!

Christian Pernegger
2006-02-24, 14:24
Just give me my radio alarm clock already :)

- independent clock, synced when network is reachable
- multiple alarms per day of the week
- next active alarm should work even if there's no network at the time
- integrated amplifier
- integrated speakers (for saving space if desired)
- buttons for rudimentary operation, snooze, etc...

C.

gomichaelkgo
2006-02-24, 20:54
I think they're going to put a bigger display on the front.

It's the first thing I thought when they changed the orientation for the player to stand upright instead of flat (leaving only limited room for any display).

I like my squeezebox slim, as it fits in small places. I'm glad I got the Squeezebox2 for this reason.

Jukie
2006-05-08, 15:06
I'm not coming from a technophile or audiophile point of view when I say this. I'm just saying where my pain is as a consumer.

My stereo stuff inside the house is pretty much built out. Streaming and synchronization would be an enhancement, but I'd be more motivated to buy something that gives new capability, especially something I've been wanting for a long time and can't even find.

I want to listen to my music outdoors, and that means battery-powered and wet. By the hot tub, poolside, beach, boat, gardening, camping, etc. If you've ever bought a hot tub, you've seen the $2000 stereo they try to sell you. A regular boombox will only last so long until it gets splashed, and it has a power problem. To listen to your own content, you have to burn CDs and spin them, which eats battery. I think SB would have the power consumption of a radio, which would be great.

My perfect system would start with a battery-powered SB that you could clip onto your belt and listen to with headphones while working in the yard or garage, or just walking around the house for that matter. That SB would dock into a stripped-down chassis consisting of amplifier, speakers, AC power connector and battery compartment. Then you could buy additional modules that would snap into the thing, like a DVD player (not video, but a DVD will hold a bunch more FLACs than a CD), or a radio tuner. The thing would have a USB port so you could stick a thumb drive in there and listen to music from that. One easy thing that could be done to get the best audio quality for the price is to design detachable speakers. Each having its own enclosure improves the sound, and being able to separate them a few feet would help a lot too.

A coolness would be if you could run it on AC with the (rechargeable) batteries in it and automatically recharge them.

You could take the boombox anywhere, and you wouldn't have to buy several different devices for different applications.

Another coolness would be a bootable SlimServer CD so you could take your boombox to a friend's house, boot his computer to SlimServer and stream his music without installing anything on his computer. Next thing you know, he'll want one too.

How cool would it be to take the laptop camping and stream to the boombox out in the forest?

How cool while on a business trip to stream from the laptop in the back seat?

I would get so much use from something this versatile that I would pay $600 bucks in a heartbeat (well, $250 for the SB plus $350 for the boombox). Probably take a couple of weeks to talk myself into paying $800.

Slim Devices, please make a waterproof boombox for me and the legions of people like me!! (I can hear them shouting in unison)

ceejay
2006-05-08, 15:14
My perfect system would start with a battery-powered SB that you could clip onto your belt and listen to with headphones while working in the yard or garage, or just walking around the house for that matter.


I do this now... normal wireless headphones plugged into my stereo. If I want to be able to control what I'm listening to I put my wireless PDA in my pocket (even better now with Slimremote on it)



Another coolness would be a bootable SlimServer CD so you could take your boombox to a friend's house, boot his computer to SlimServer and stream his music without installing anything on his computer. Next thing you know, he'll want one too.



http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=763

Ceejay

JJZolx
2006-05-08, 15:17
My speculation: Significant price drop and a new sticker on the back.

"Made in China"

MeSue
2006-05-08, 18:13
Slim Devices, please make a waterproof boombox for me and the legions of people like me!! (I can hear them shouting in unison)
Hear, hear! The pool is open and it needs some tunes!

snarlydwarf
2006-05-08, 18:16
and my lawn is growing... I can't pull my ass outta the couch without tunes outside.

Pale Blue Ego
2006-05-08, 18:33
Ok, I'll vote for a self-contained DIN-sized car stereo Squeezebox with a built-in 100GB drive running slimserver and small, cool-running digital amps from Tripath.

100GB would be plenty of space, especially since in a noisy car FLAC would be overkill. You could get by with high-quality mp3/wma/aac/ogg files, and could fit about 10k-15k tracks depending on bitrate.

Don't make the player removable, that's too insecure. Just have a front-panel USB 2.0 connection. You load the thing up before installing it, then use a thumb drive to add new tracks once the player is installed.

It would have fewer glitches because slim would be in control of all the parameters. No networking problems, and they can make sure the CPU and RAM are enough to handle the task.

snarlydwarf
2006-05-08, 18:46
Don't make the player removable, that's too insecure. Just have a front-panel USB 2.0 connection. You load the thing up before installing it, then use a thumb drive to add new tracks once the player is installed.


Wireless.... :P

My router is about 20' from where the car is sitting right now... I could load up tunes and be ready to go. :)

Erik Kragh Jensen
2006-05-09, 01:38
On Tue, May 9, 2006 03:33, Pale Blue Ego wrote:

> Ok, I'll vote for a self-contained DIN-sized car stereo Squeezebox with
> a built-in 100GB drive running slimserver and small, cool-running digital
> amps from Tripath.

Have a look at http://www.dension.com/dh100ix_info.htm - it is a standard
car stereo with a built-in removable drive and plays mp3. But it is
unfortunately not open source and not easily extendable like Slim.

/Erik

nacmacfeegle
2006-05-09, 01:50
Next from those fine folks at Slim Devices?, Okay, I’ll surface from deep lurk to add my tuppence worth.

I think they should be attacking the Sonos/Streamium type market. For the average Joe, the SB is still very much a high tech ‘geek’ orientated device. Just look at the nature of the posts on this forum as an example. To make it really big I think they should be going for a market with minimum set up stress in mind.

If Slim made a base station that consisted of say a wireless router (pre set to talk to the owner’s SBs), and hard drive, and, if the assembly was quiet enough a built in player, they could then market SBs preconfigured to talk to the base straight out of the box. The base station would probably look like a smallish Tivo type HiFi component. A ‘Slim NAS and Squeezebox combo’ if you like

The base station could have a standard network connection so it could be integrated into an existing network if users desired, and for updating etc. Or/and it could have a usb connection that could take updates from a thumb drive, or music from a PC, it could even have future expansion with internal slots for additional drives. This architecture might form the basis for in-car setups, and those who have a desire to take their networks camping, sailing, onto Everest (or anywhere beyond the current range of a domestic WiFi) with them.

If the SBs formed a mesh like the Sonos then all the better.

I’ve recently got the Slim bug, but a month ago I didn’t have any networking experience, (absolutely none at all, I literally didn’t know DHCP from an IP address) and have had a few nights of ‘tweaking’ to get everything set up and working. From my limited research, Sonos scores over the Slim stuff in ease of setup, and that can be an attractive thing to some folks. I had to go out and buy a ‘networks for dummies’ type book (best 10 quid I’ve spent recently!) to set up a WiFi to take full advantage of my two SB3s.

Of course, people will still want to customise their installations, as they do now, and I’d hate to see the evolutionary nature die because of any Slim standardisation or some sort of technical ‘lock down’ as part of the simplification.

So for the future, maybe a ‘dumbed down’ Slim base and preconfigured SBs, all talking to each other straight out of the box, just like a Sonos.

nicketynick
2006-05-09, 05:51
If Slim made a base station that consisted of say a wireless router (pre set to talk to the owner’s SBs), and hard drive, and, if the assembly was quiet enough a built in player, they could then market SBs preconfigured to talk to the base straight out of the box. The base station would probably look like a smallish Tivo type HiFi component. A ‘Slim NAS and Squeezebox combo’ if you like

.

Hear, hear! A Slim SlimServer is what I've been calling it! I think the storage is best left external (USB), so that it is very configurable (size, and media - it might not be that long before we stop using spinning disks!)

tamanaco
2006-05-09, 06:01
Here is what I'd like to see … a SlimSilentNAS (SSN)

All the pieces are there. All that is needed is a tie integration of all components and a close partnership of all the vendors. The partnership would have a single focus -> To build a fully supported SlimServer on high performance quiet NAS <- The partners in my "dream scenario" would be Slim Devices, Infrant and A-Tech Fabrication. The SSN would be a ReadyNAS NV board inside an A-Tech NAS4x optimized to run SlimServer. Slim Devices already has some sort of partnership with Infrant and Infrant already supplies A-Tech with NAS boards. All we need is one or a combination of these vendors to put a small team together to built this SSN. This team would optimize the Slimserver to run on the NV or NV like board, find the best performance server duty RAID drives for the NAS4x box, test/built the SSNs and provide support to end users… when necessary.

Cons:
Ok, there are some limitation. The NAS board that I'd like to have is the board in the ReadyNAS NV, but it will not fit in the NAS4x without "some modifications". Infrant makes other boards that do fit the NAS4x, namely, the IT71004 board. There is also limitations on Hot-Swapping the RAID drives as the NAS4x is a close box. Cost, well one can start with one drive and build up. Currently. Infrant does not support pre-releases of SlimServer or full support of Plug-ins. (Infrant is already working on providing full support for Plug-ins).

Pros:
Quiet (Fanless), would coexist and look nice with any AV System (the NAS4x is available in Black and Silver), 1 Gig Ethernet with big frames, up to 2TB of storage (4 500GB Drives), Plug-n-play out of the box, no need for a PC.


Infrant Ready NAS NV http://www.infrant.com/
A-Tech NAS4x http://www.atechfabrication.com/products/mass_storage_NAS4X.htm

Oh, and God forbid... Change the remote to include a separate power button for the SSN so that I can turn off the SSN when I'm connected to the SqueezeNetwork

Am I dreaming too big here?

Sike
2006-05-09, 06:52
This may be the tecnique used by Apple. Keep the new product a secret, so that people speculate about what it could be.. and then use those ideas for the next product a year later.

My 2 Centimes would be a remote, a la Sonos... If you are sitting further away than 5m from the SB it's unusable..

stinkingpig
2006-05-09, 09:25
On 5/9/06, Sike <Sike.27jmdn1147182902 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> This may be the tecnique used by Apple. Keep the new product a secret,
> so that people speculate about what it could be.. and then use those
> ideas for the next product a year later.
>
> My 2 Centimes would be a remote, a la Sonos... If you are sitting
> further away than 5m from the SB it's unusable..



There is no place in my house where one can be five meters from the SB.
Either your house is too big or you don't have enough Squeezeboxes.

I'm fine with a dedicated server appliance idea, but only if it's named
FATBOX, capitals required. Bonus points if its splash page makes reference
to eating babies.

I think that a boombox is the best reach from existing product line, no
fundamental server-side changes needed, but they aren't precluded either.
--
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin,
So across the Western ocean I must wander" -- traditional

Mike Meyer
2006-05-10, 07:23
I do this now... normal wireless headphones plugged into my stereo.

This is a good idea. I'd love to listen to my SB while mowing. Any recommendations on wireless headphones that I would be able to hear over the sound of a mower?

nicketynick
2006-05-10, 09:00
For those thinking about a SlimNAS, don't miss this thread:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=20597

eq72521
2006-05-10, 09:07
This is a good idea. I'd love to listen to my SB while mowing. Any recommendations on wireless headphones that I would be able to hear over the sound of a mower?

You shouldn't want to. The only thing you should have in/around your ears while mowing are earplugs and possibly noise-reducing earmuffs over those. Turning up headphones to drown out something as loud as a mower is a sure path to hearing loss. An alternative, if you don't have an enormous lawn, is to get a mechanical push mower. I've had mine since I moved out on my own (about 7 years ago) and it works great. Using headphones with one of those (at a low volume) is probably OK. :)

aubuti
2006-05-10, 09:31
Agreed. It's really eye-opening (and ear-splitting) to turn off the mower and realize just how loud you've turned up the headphones. You might possibly be okay with active noise cancelling headphones, although I'm not sure how well they do in blocking the frequencies emitted by a lawn mower. Or you could use some in-ear headphones like Etymotics. But I'm not aware of any headphones on the market that are both (a) wireless and (b) noise cancelling/blocking.

OTOH, you could do fine with noise blocking headphones like the Etymotics attached to a portable player. But I'm not suggesting that the SB3 is a portable device!

jmpage2
2006-05-10, 10:03
You shouldn't want to. The only thing you should have in/around your ears while mowing are earplugs and possibly noise-reducing earmuffs over those. Turning up headphones to drown out something as loud as a mower is a sure path to hearing loss. An alternative, if you don't have an enormous lawn, is to get a mechanical push mower. I've had mine since I moved out on my own (about 7 years ago) and it works great. Using headphones with one of those (at a low volume) is probably OK. :)

This is absolutely correct. I'm only 33 years old and already have pronounced tinnitus (incessant ringing in the years).

I don't go to numerous concerts or normally blare my music, so what's the culprit for my hearing loss?

Turning up the volume on high efficiency headphones when I'm mowing the lawn, flying on an airplane (I travel for business frequently) and so on.

Hearing loss is no joke (just try going to sleep or enjoy reading a book in a quiet room with your ears constantly ringing). I fear that the current Gen-Y folks who crank up their car stereos and iPods like crazy are in for some serious hearing loss when they get to be my age.

eq72521
2006-05-10, 10:41
This is absolutely correct. I'm only 33 years old and already have pronounced tinnitus (incessant ringing in the years).

I don't go to numerous concerts or normally blare my music, so what's the culprit for my hearing loss?

Turning up the volume on high efficiency headphones when I'm mowing the lawn, flying on an airplane (I travel for business frequently) and so on.

Hearing loss is no joke (just try going to sleep or enjoy reading a book in a quiet room with your ears constantly ringing). I fear that the current Gen-Y folks who crank up their car stereos and iPods like crazy are in for some serious hearing loss when they get to be my age.

I have the same issue, and I'm only 29, which is why I was so quick to reply to the original mower. I actually don't have any hearing loss per se, yet, but the tinnitus is *extremely* annoying and probably a portent of worse things to come. I still don't know where mine came from, which makes it doubly irritating. Maybe about 10 loud concerts in my life, only 2 or 3 of which were without earplugs, no loud stereos or headphones, and I don't even travel that much.

hashref
2006-05-10, 11:55
1) Slimserver built in to the SB itself. Numerous SB's on same network allow one to become the "master." Simply point the squeeze box to a file server share and possibly a share to store the database. Plugins, etc., could still use this share as well.

2) A "bare bones" squeeze box. No remote, no display, nada. Just the smallest functional device possible. I.E., wireless, maybe cat5, and audio outs only. Used for synched rooms, garages, etc. Battery powered? Heh, tape it to your boom box. :)

3) A highend SB...with video output for TV's. Have the ability to display album art and status, SlimDevices news, RSS feeds, etc. (likely to require a wired connection)

4) An option to display artist/album/title information from an online mp3 music database. Taking into consideration directory structure, file naming convention, and/or current tag information, this should be possible. (configured or using the same data entered in the "Guess Tags Formats" section)

5) The ability to have squuezebox cook me dinner.

Mike Meyer
2006-05-10, 12:09
I have the same issue, and I'm only 29, which is why I was so quick to reply to the original mower. I actually don't have any hearing loss per se, yet, but the tinnitus is *extremely* annoying and probably a portent of worse things to come. I still don't know where mine came from, which makes it doubly irritating. Maybe about 10 loud concerts in my life, only 2 or 3 of which were without earplugs, no loud stereos or headphones, and I don't even travel that much.

I agree that it's not a good idea. But it is something I've done for 25 years and will be hard to stop. Mowing is so boring. :) I know fast food is bad for me too and I continue to eat it. But seriously, I should try mowing without the headphones and see how it goes. I haven't tried that for a long time. My music preference is heavy metal so I do like it loud. I'm 37 and so far the ears are ok. what? did you say something??

aubuti
2006-05-10, 12:16
I agree that it's not a good idea. But it is something I've done for 25 years and will be hard to stop.
You should seriously consider some in-ear headphones like Etymotics, some of the Shure models, or the like. Like earplugs, they block external sounds. But they allow your music to play through. Of course, you'll still destroy your ears if you insist on cranking the volume up to 11. Check out www.headphone.com

Mike Meyer
2006-05-10, 12:27
You should seriously consider some in-ear headphones like Etymotics, some of the Shure models, or the like. Like earplugs, they block external sounds. But they allow your music to play through. Of course, you'll still destroy your ears if you insist on cranking the volume up to 11. Check out www.headphone.com

I will check those out. Thanks.

"Studies have shown that people exposed to 85 decibels for eight hours tend to develop hearing loss," Brian Fligor, ScD, of Children's Hospital in Boston, tells WebMD. He found that all the CD players he examined produced sound levels well in excess of 85 decibels.

"Every time you increase a sound level by three decibels, listening for half as long will produce the same amount of hearing loss. The kid who cuts my grass uses an iPod. The lawn mower noise is about 80 to 85 decibels. If he likes listening to his iPod 20 decibels above that, he's in the range of 100-105 decibels. At that sound level he shouldn't listen for more than eight to 15 minutes."

I might be in trouble.

bklaas
2006-05-10, 12:37
2 - a premium remote control dedicated to making the SB experience easier, more fun and enjoyable. It would have a bright, vivid color LCD screen at least 320 x 240 pixels. Album art and track details are displayed as the song plays. Browse by album cover is possible (touch screen?). Backlighting is essential. RF is standard, so you don't need line-of-sight. These technologies tend to be pretty expensive, so the remote might cost more than the actual SB! I'm thinking in the $300 - $500 range. A lot of people would want it, though. It's a nice upgrade for existing SB die-hards, and I'm guessing a significant number of new orders would go for the upgrade remote, too.

Nokia 770 does the following:
700x480(!) bright, backlit, beautiful resolution
802.11g/b/a WiFi
Touchscreen
Opera web browser
sub $400

Nokia770 skin (6.5 only), does the following:
Browse by cover art in two different methods
Displays cover art and track info of song that is playing
Enhanced playlist viewing/editing
Ajax-enabled code for richer user experience
(added yesterday) Support for Michael Herger's excellent Biography and Album Review plugins

The Nokia 770 internet tablet is not without its shortcomings, but I thought I'd throw this in since your description is basically *exactly* what the 770 does today. FWIW, you can also stream slim directly to it and listen with headphones...(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?SlimserverAndNokia770)

cheers,
#!/ben

btw-- my vote, hands down, is for a portable squeezebox. I'd put AM/FM on it because that's probably cheap to do anyway, and makes it usable outside of your Slimserver WiFi range. Do a partnership with Sonic and integrate a T-amp, stick some decent speakers on it, fab a box for the thing, and call it done. I'd call it something like Squeeze!Boom!Box! or Squeezeboom.

Mark Lanctot
2006-05-10, 12:40
I might be in trouble.

You may want to consider getting tested. Hearing loss is usually gradual and progressive and your brain adjusts to it so you don't notice it. Unless you get very-noticeable tinnitus as mentioned by jmpage2 and aubuti, you may not realize how much hearing loss you've incurred.

High-frequency hearing is the first to go. A cheap (free!) test is: can you hear the HF whine of a CRT TV? I think that's about 16-18 kHz and it's quite quiet. If you can hear it from several feet you've probably still got fairly good hearing.

jmpage2
2006-05-10, 13:26
You may want to consider getting tested. Hearing loss is usually gradual and progressive and your brain adjusts to it so you don't notice it. Unless you get very-noticeable tinnitus as mentioned by jmpage2 and aubuti, you may not realize how much hearing loss you've incurred.

High-frequency hearing is the first to go. A cheap (free!) test is: can you hear the HF whine of a CRT TV? I think that's about 16-18 kHz and it's quite quiet. If you can hear it from several feet you've probably still got fairly good hearing.

Interestingly enough my hearing loss is not severe, but I am very susceptible to tinnitus.

When they tested my hearing it was quite good other than a dip in the left ear around 7khz.

Unfortunately since I am apparently pre-disposed to tinnitus it means that over time as natural age related hearing loss occurs the tinnitus will probably only get much worse.

JJZolx
2006-05-10, 14:02
Interestingly enough my hearing loss is not severe, but I am very susceptible to tinnitus.

When they tested my hearing it was quite good other than a dip in the left ear around 7khz.

Unfortunately since I am apparently pre-disposed to tinnitus it means that over time as natural age related hearing loss occurs the tinnitus will probably only get much worse.
What makes you think you're "susceptible" or "pre-disposed" to tinnitus? You either have it or you don't. I also have tinnitus, probably from working in my younger days around heavy machinery and power tools without hearing protection. It tends to be worse, or at least more bothersome, when I'm fatigued, but it never actually goes away.

jmpage2
2006-05-11, 08:18
What makes you think you're "susceptible" or "pre-disposed" to tinnitus? You either have it or you don't. I also have tinnitus, probably from working in my younger days around heavy machinery and power tools without hearing protection. It tends to be worse, or at least more bothersome, when I'm fatigued, but it never actually goes away.

Because its what my ENT said. I have about a 6dB dip in the left ear at that frequency and have pronounced tinnitus. Most people have to have 20-30dB of signal loss before tinnitus develops.

My test results were strange enough that they had me go back and do a BSER (brain stem evoked response) test to make sure my brain was working properly.

So based on all of that, yes, I believe I am more susceptible to tinnitus symptoms than most people.