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JohnQuirk
2006-02-13, 08:45
Hi all,
I'm the proud owner of five Slim Devices, 2 SliMP3's, 2 SBGs and a shiny new SB3. I'm also the proud owner of The Flaming Lips album Zaireeka. This, if you haven't come across it, is an odd little experiment. It's a 4 CD box set, each CD has the same 4 tracks, but with different bits of the mix, on each. The idea is to play them simultaneously on 4 CD players.

I'd rather like to be able to do this now with my SBs, but I can't see a way of kicking all the players off, or a way to sync them, given that they're actually playing different tracks. Has anyone got any ideas?

If you think I might be imagining this see here:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000002NIQ/104-4926021-8252701?v=glance&n=5174

All suggestions gratefully received.

JQ

mherger
2006-02-13, 08:57
> I'd rather like to be able to do this now with my SBs, but I can't see
> a way of kicking all the players off, or a way to sync them, given that
> they're actually playing different tracks. Has anyone got any ideas?

You might try to write a small script using the CLI. They wouldn't be
absolutely in sync, but within a fraction of a second (which might still
be too much).

BTW: how did you do the experiment with four cd players? :-)

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Steve Bernard, Jr
2006-02-13, 09:05
On 2/13/06, JohnQuirk <JohnQuirk.236d1c (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> I'd rather like to be able to do this now with my SBs, but I can't see
> a way of kicking all the players off, or a way to sync them, given that
> they're actually playing different tracks. Has anyone got any ideas?
>

I don't see that you'd be able to sync them in the traditional
Squeezebox sense, since it'd be different tracks in the DB. However,
if you queue up the tracks in each player (CD 1 Track 1 on Squeezebox
A, CD 2 Track 2 on Squeezebox B. etc) and then used an IR blaster you
could send the Play command to each SB at the same time. This would
give you the same experience and using four CD players and like
playing it with CD players, you'd probably want to stop between
tracks, line everything up, and start again for the next song because
there'd be a teeny bit of drift, probably.

Michael's idea about using the CLI also sounds good if you don't have
IR hardware.

For my part, I wound up using software to mix the four CDs down to one
stereo file and I listen to that on my SB and my portable player. It
sorta defeats the purpose, but at least I can listen to the record.

-Steve

mherger
2006-02-13, 09:12
> I'd rather like to be able to do this now with my SBs, but I can't see
> a way of kicking all the players off, or a way to sync them, given that
> they're actually playing different tracks. Has anyone got any ideas?

Alarm! Create an alarm for a give minute with the different albums playing
on different player.

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smst
2006-02-13, 09:13
When I tried this with CD players, I "just" employed multiple hands to unpause each player at the same time. Could you do the same with the SqueezeBoxen? If they were all in one place you could even use just one remote signal.

I went the lazy route in the end: I ripped the CDs, downmixed each to mono and used a Dolby Digital encoder to put each disc on a separate channel. Not quite as organic as doing it the "proper" way. :-)

JohnQuirk
2006-02-13, 09:15
> I'd rather like to be able to do this now with my SBs, but I can't see
> a way of kicking all the players off, or a way to sync them, given that
> they're actually playing different tracks. Has anyone got any ideas?

You might try to write a small script using the CLI. They wouldn't be
absolutely in sync, but within a fraction of a second (which might still
>>> be too much).
>>>
>>> BTW: how did you do the experiment with four cd players? :-)

It is do-able with 4 CD players, in truth I've only ever got three together at once, so I've never actually heard it. Even then, one is foot operated. They don't stay in sync for very long. Wayne Coyne of the FLaming Lips has commented in the past that they're not supposed to... I love them, but (and?) they are odd.

JohnQuirk
2006-02-13, 09:19
When I tried this with CD players, I "just" employed multiple hands to unpause each player at the same time. Could you do the same with the SqueezeBoxen? If they were all in one place you could even use just one remote signal.

I went the lazy route in the end: I ripped the CDs, downmixed each to mono and used a Dolby Digital encoder to put each disc on a separate channel. Not quite as organic as doing it the "proper" way. :-)

My approach with CDs was similar. What I was hoping to do now was have all my playes start in their separate rooms and just sit in the hallway with the volume turned up a lot. It's a good point though that the remote command to PLAY would be received by them all if they were in the same place.

I like the suggestion that downmixing them all to mono and re-encoding is the "lazy" way. Sounds far too much like hard work to me. Was it worth it?

Ed
2006-02-13, 09:20
"JohnQuirk"
<JohnQuirk.236d1c (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote in message news:JohnQuirk.236d1c (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com...
>
> Hi all,
> I'm the proud owner of five Slim Devices, 2 SliMP3's, 2 SBGs and a
> shiny new SB3. I'm also the proud owner of The Flaming Lips album
> Zaireeka. This, if you haven't come across it, is an odd little
> experiment. It's a 4 CD box set, each CD has the same 4 tracks, but
> with different bits of the mix, on each. The idea is to play them
> simultaneously on 4 CD players.

I recently scored a DVD, where you can select which of the CD audios you
want playing, and it's synced to scenes from various old movies and
documentaries. Actually, I think the audio is 5.1. Pretty awesome.

Ed
89CamaroZ28 (AT) nowherenow (DOT) com

snarlydwarf
2006-02-13, 09:50
Heh, I like King Crimson's deja Vroom: 7 video tracks with one audio. Track 1 is the edited track, and the other 6 are cameras fixed on each member.

smst
2006-02-13, 09:55
I like the suggestion that downmixing them all to mono and re-encoding is the "lazy" way. Sounds far too much like hard work to me. Was it worth it?It's hard the first time, then lazy every time thereafter. :-)

Worth it? Well, it achieved what I was aiming for, which was each disc being played from a different point in space, so I do get to listen to the whole thing.

OTOH it completely sidesteps the requirement which was arguably the original intention of the piece: having a group of friends around for a bizarre listening party. I feel like I've turned to the last page of a novel to read the ending without experiencing the journey...

And TBH it's not an album I tend to listen to very often -- it's certainly not as accessible as their "proper" albums. Still, it's nice to get these things working.

SlimPvC
2006-02-13, 13:15
I once took the easy way: ripping all albums to one track each and then mixing them back together in a multitrack editor like Audition.

I really liked the experiment, but I hated the resulting music. Never played it again. But that's a matter of taste :-)