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ideasculptor
2006-02-07, 12:26
Am I the only one who sees the utility in a next album button? I really prefer to listen in 'shuffle albums' mode, so that I still get the music in the order intended by the artist. But often, shufle albums will deliver several albums in a row that I'm not in the mood for, and there doesn't appear to be any way to just skip to the next album, without fast forwarding through 10+ songs.

My very first hard drive mp3 player (personal jukebox - the first of its kind) had this functionality. You could make the next/prev buttons apply to any field - track, album, artist, genre, playlist etc, and it was really useful for rapidly jumping to the next thing when in a random mode. I miss that functionality terribly, and not one audio device that I am aware of has implemented it.

Does anyone else out there think that holding down the next/prev button, or maybe double pressing it rapidly, should result in the next album, when listening in shuffle albums mode? How would one go about making this change? Is it something that can be done in slimserver, or does it need to be done in the firmware of the player?

--sam

JJZolx
2006-02-07, 12:33
Am I the only one who sees the utility in a next album button?
Maybe. But that wouldn't be at all unusual. :)



I really prefer to listen in 'shuffle albums' mode, so that I still get the music in the order intended by the artist.
Do you mean via the Random Mix plugin? I wasn't aware there was a 'shuffle albums' mode.


But often, shufle albums will deliver several albums in a row that I'm not in the mood for, and there doesn't appear to be any way to just skip to the next album, without fast forwarding through 10+ songs.

My very first hard drive mp3 player (personal jukebox - the first of its kind) had this functionality. You could make the next/prev buttons apply to any field - track, album, artist, genre, playlist etc, and it was really useful for rapidly jumping to the next thing when in a random mode. I miss that functionality terribly, and not one audio device that I am aware of has implemented it.

Does anyone else out there think that holding down the next/prev button, or maybe double pressing it rapidly, should result in the next album, when listening in shuffle albums mode? How would one go about making this change? Is it something that can be done in slimserver, or does it need to be done in the firmware of the player?
If indeed you're using Random Mix, then you should request this capability from the plugin author.

kdf
2006-02-07, 12:41
Quoting JJZolx <JJZolx.22vjgc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> ideasculptor Wrote:
>> Am I the only one who sees the utility in a next album button?
> Maybe. But that wouldn't be at all unusual. :)
>
>
>> I really prefer to listen in 'shuffle albums' mode, so that I still get
>> the music in the order intended by the artist.
> Do you mean via the Random Mix plugin? I wasn't aware there was a
> 'shuffle albums' mode.

There is. As part of the shuffle options: Song, Album, Off.

Such a request already exists:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460

-kdf

JJZolx
2006-02-07, 13:09
Quoting JJZolx <JJZolx.22vjgc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> ideasculptor Wrote:
>> Am I the only one who sees the utility in a next album button?
> Maybe. But that wouldn't be at all unusual. :)
>
>
>> I really prefer to listen in 'shuffle albums' mode, so that I still get
>> the music in the order intended by the artist.
> Do you mean via the Random Mix plugin? I wasn't aware there was a
> 'shuffle albums' mode.

There is. As part of the shuffle options: Song, Album, Off.
I'll be damned. Never noticed that before. If I had, I'd probably have filed a request for a pref to disable it, as it's just taking up screen real estate and I'll never use it. :)


Such a request already exists:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460
Sometimes I wonder if the bugzilla database has outgrown its usefulness - at least for end users. Old bugs and feature requests may as well not exist now that there are over 700 open entries in the db. Most everything just gets marked 'Future'. What are the actual chances that a feature request nearly two years old will ever be implemented?

kdf
2006-02-07, 13:33
Quoting JJZolx <JJZolx.22vljb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>> Such a request already exists:
>> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460
> Sometimes I wonder if the bugzilla database has outgrown its usefulness
> - at least for end users.

Interestingly, it is not for end users. It is for developers.

> Old bugs and feature requests may as well not
> exist now that there are over 700 open entries in the db. Most
> everything just gets marked 'Future'. What are the actual chances that
> a feature request nearly two years old will ever be implemented?

who knows. only one vote, so clearly no one cares about that one. It
is a record, and despite the fact that very few bother to actually
search, it is supposed to help reduce redundant requests and the
typical back and forth ("disable this by default or I'll switch to
Roku", to "How annoying that I have to enable this, do the designers
actually KNOW anyting??" six months later.

take a look at the mozilla bug system sometime (the original
bugzilla). 8 year old,future-marked bugs, 50k+ open. Ask them if
they still find it useful.
-kdf

Ben Sandee
2006-02-07, 13:44
On 2/7/06, JJZolx <JJZolx.22vljb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Sometimes I wonder if the bugzilla database has outgrown its usefulness
> - at least for end users. Old bugs and feature requests may as well not
> exist now that there are over 700 open entries in the db. Most
> everything just gets marked 'Future'. What are the actual chances that
> a feature request nearly two years old will ever be implemented?


Legitimate, show-stopper bug reports certainly do not just get marked future
and I suspect you well know that.

Feature requests are exactly what it says -- REQUESTS -- and in my opinion,
every one of them should be marked future by default! I think the mistake,
if any, that SlimDevices makes is that they assign a target fixed version
too optimisticly and end up slipping it to future releases. There is no
implied guarantee that just because a feature request has been filed that it
will ever be added. However, it does improve a bug's chances if it has a
rallying point -- a place where a feature can be discussed while preserving
the discussion for the next time someone brings it up or becomes
interested.

Also, the number of open bugs/features really has no bearing on the
usefulness of the database. By that argument the internet would long since
have been made useless for end users, because there is so much content out
there.

Ben

JJZolx
2006-02-07, 13:57
> Old bugs and feature requests may as well not
> exist now that there are over 700 open entries in the db. Most
> everything just gets marked 'Future'. What are the actual chances that
> a feature request nearly two years old will ever be implemented?

who knows. only one vote, so clearly no one cares about that one.
Not much of a metric. Even on the 'hot' issues nobody votes - they just CC themselves.

After all that, here's the best answer to the original poster regarding his request:

IT'S NOT LIKELY TO HAPPEN IN YOUR LIFETIME. SORRY.

kdf
2006-02-07, 14:08
Quoting JJZolx <JJZolx.22vnmb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

> <pointless sarcastic yelling removed>

jim, settle down please.
-k

ceejay
2006-02-07, 14:46
So, back to the original question then... granted that the bug 460 is a bit old and never got taken seriously... this may be because its usefulness was limited before RandomPlay came along. But if you're going to have a Shuffle By Album mode, it seems to me that OP's request to have a "skip" to next album is entirely reasonable.

Implementation not too hard: if ffwd gets a press/hold, and you are in Album shuffle mode, clear the playlist and go get a new Album different from the current one. Similarly if you are in Year and Genre mode, perhaps?

In Track mode, you could either treat it just the same as a normal skip (just skip one track) or, perhaps more usefully, clear the playlist and refill it ("I've looked at what's coming up and I don't like any of it...").

Do-able, surely?

[note to ideasculptor: how's your Perl? have a look in the RandomPlay plugin code...]

Ceejay

Philip Meyer
2006-02-07, 16:08
>Implementation not too hard: if ffwd gets a press/hold, and you are in
>Album shuffle mode, clear the playlist and go get a new Album different
>from the current one. Similarly if you are in Year and Genre mode,
>perhaps?
>
Single press ffwd skips forward to next track, whilst hold-ffwd goes into track fast-forward play for me - I wouldn't want to lose that. It would have to be another key, or make the action configurable.

As another thought, can't you press right-arrow to go into song info, navigate to the album name or artist name, and press Add to remove all tracks in the current playlist for the selected item? Music would then continue with the next remaining item in the playlist. It might confuse random play with the number of tracks queued up for future play though?

Phil

grov
2006-02-08, 03:14
With the Random Mix plug-in, you can already achieve this (if I've understood things correctly). I've got a custom map set-up with "press-and-hold" 7,8 or 9 for random tracks, albums or artists.

So, I hold down 8 to pick a random album. If Random Mix picks an album I don't want to listen to, I just hold down 8 again and get another one. Rinse & repeat until I've got something I want to listen to :)

ceejay
2006-02-08, 05:13
With the Random Mix plug-in, you can already achieve this (if I've understood things correctly). I've got a custom map set-up with "press-and-hold" 7,8 or 9 for random tracks, albums or artists.

So, I hold down 8 to pick a random album. If Random Mix picks an album I don't want to listen to, I just hold down 8 again and get another one. Rinse & repeat until I've got something I want to listen to :)

Thanks - what functions have you mapped those keys to?

Ceejay

grov
2006-02-08, 07:23
Thanks - what functions have you mapped those keys to?

Ceejay

From my custom.map:



7.hold = modefunction_PLUGIN.RandomPlay::Plugin->tracks
8.hold = modefunction_PLUGIN.RandomPlay::Plugin->albums
9.hold = modefunction_PLUGIN.RandomPlay::Plugin->artists

stinkingpig
2006-02-09, 09:48
....
>> Such a request already exists:
>> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=460
> Sometimes I wonder if the bugzilla database has outgrown its usefulness
> - at least for end users. Old bugs and feature requests may as well not
> exist now that there are over 700 open entries in the db. Most
> everything just gets marked 'Future'. What are the actual chances that
> a feature request nearly two years old will ever be implemented?
>

The company I work for has twenty years worth of products, and the ERs are
currently in the 86,000 range. Product Managers go through it on a regular
basis and close the ERs that aren't going to get fixed soon -- but first
they copy them onto index cards and hang them on a wall by the breakroom
on the developer's floor.

Will stuff get fixed? Depends some on the number of developers, but it
depends even more on the development direction and what developers are
passionate about. A vast swatch of bugs were recently obviated by
architectural changes that made them moot, which of course introduced new
bugs... but would the architecture change have happened if the developers
were being held to "fix all these first"? Another decent chunk of bugs
could be obviated by another pretty minor architectural change, but the
lead developer in that functional area doesn't want to do it, so those
keep getting bandaided. Eventually the weight of bandaids leads to a de
facto architectural change.

Forget rocket surgery, software development is the most complex human
endeavor. It ain't pretty, but just be thankful that the SDI bugzilla is
open to the public and as small as it is :)

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