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klausbgva
2006-02-04, 01:28
I am travelling quiet a bit and am looking for a smart way to take the slimbox along.

In most hotels I can connect wireless with the laptop and squeezbox.

I had planned to take my slimbox on the trip. But that means take along: the BOX, Powersupply and a pair of powered speakers.

To be honest I like to travel light. Having had a look at my trolley I think I will emdedd the box and speakers in the suitcase in some way.

Any suggestions or comments?

ceejay
2006-02-04, 01:40
Well, a comment more than a suggestion: personally I wouldn't bother with the Squeezebox in this situation. Why not plug the speakers straight into the laptop? Play the music with Softsqueeze or indeed anything else.

I'd have thought the main reasons for using a Squeezebox in the first place were (1) the ability to get very high quality sound and (2) removing the computer from the place where you are playing the music, neither of which applies here.

Just a thought.

Ceejay

fairyliquidizer
2006-02-04, 08:03
I have to agree that I'm not sure that I can see the advantage in bringing the SB. Could you explain your reasoning a little please?

stinkingpig
2006-02-04, 09:13
klausbgva wrote:
> I am travelling quiet a bit and am looking for a smart way to take the
> slimbox along.
>
> In most hotels I can connect wireless with the laptop and squeezbox.
>
> I had planned to take my slimbox on the trip. But that means take
> along: the BOX, Powersupply and a pair of powered speakers.
>
> To be honest I like to travel light. Having had a look at my trolley I
> think I will emdedd the box and speakers in the suitcase in some way.
>
> Any suggestions or comments?
>
>
>
Softsqueeze and an SSH tunnel works wonders. It's through the laptop
speakers, which may be an issue if you're an audiophile. I also use
Last.fm radio when I'm on the road, as they have more bandwidth than my
house.

If you build a bunch of jerry-rigged kit into your suitcase, you're
going to look rather suspicious in the security line... prepare for lots
of unwanted attention when you'd rather be getting on the plane.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

klausbgva
2006-02-04, 09:25
OK I know I can do it with the Laptop.

The built -in speakers are not the best to listen when more than 2 feet away. When on the laptop I have my B&O headset and the sound is as good as the wireless will allow it.

If I take a pair of speakers along they must be powered and need to connect to the power outlet (which means another adapter).

I was considereing the option of the Slimbox because that way the laptop can stay off or do some other wrok which is very ressource hungry.

To leave the laptop on all night as a an alarm clock is very noisy,...
I would still have to run all over the hotel to cable the whole stuff.

Embeded in the suitcase the slimbox display would be visible when the case is on a table or bed. The speakers would be inside the Suitcase.
I would run a single powercable and wire all the stuff in the case.

Call me lazy if you want but that would be the easiest for me.

I would prbably also "embede a charger for my cell phone.

Jon
2006-02-04, 13:48
How about an iPod or similar MP3 player? There are plenty of portable speaker systems available for the iPod ... and some hotels are even putting MP3 player hookups in their rooms now.

Once I get my CD collection ripped in a lossless format, I am planning on creating a second MP3 copy of my collection, to carry around on an iPod.

klausbgva
2006-02-04, 14:09
Jon,

Yeah I could maybe get a portable player just have not found the right one for me. 10K songs 300+GB

I have listened to MP3 in my car and laptop for at least 7 years.
I got tired of most of my music because I did not sound right.

Now I have about 80% of my collection in FLAC.
With all my other files I try to have them in OGG or high bit rate mp3. Once you are used to FLAC or CD quality you don't want to compromise. I hate this trend to mediocrity.

stinkingpig I have thought about your comment about security at the Airport. In Europe in most places I don't see it too much as a problem. But in the US I can imagine that there could be some problems like "plug it in to show it works ...."

I think I have found someting that gets pretty close to what I am looking for http://www.si-technologies.com/frontEnd/cm_productDetail.jsp?productID=21

Skunk
2006-02-04, 16:03
I hate this trend to mediocrity.

Can't you only stream mp3 via http though? Having the SB with you would be useless, IMO.

Seems like loading the songs you want to take (in FLAC form) onto your laptop, and buying a small set of powered monitors is your best bet.

These behringer monitors are $100, and include a 24/96 DAC, but the DAC probably wouldn't help if you can only hook them up via headphone jack. I'm not sure what connections are available on a laptop, but they accept optical, coax digital, headphone in/out, and rca analog.

At any rate, they'll sound a LOT better than a backpack because you could set them up for proper imaging.

http://www.music123.com/Behringer-MS20-i156836.music

Pale Blue Ego
2006-02-04, 21:45
What about just connecting to squeezenetwork? No laptop needed, just the SB and some powered speakers

klausbgva
2006-02-05, 10:26
Skunk,

You are probably right. I will copy a few gig of flac music on one of my harddrives when I travel and then play them with 2 speakers.

The speakers you refer to see pretty bit for a traveller. I guess I will use my headset mainly and the speakers only to share music and for the wake up call.

Who has had experiences with a FLAC compatible portable music player with minimum 30 GB of Disk or more. Any suggestions?

ideasculptor
2006-02-05, 10:41
There is no way in heck you are going to be able to detect the difference between a VBR 256Kbit mp3 (or even much lower, like 160) with small powered speakers connected to the analog output of a laptop. That's just not physically possible. Just rip a copy of your library to high bitrate VBR mp3 with lame and use that. Any blind test comparing flac to such an mp3 is never going to reveal the slightest difference through speakers so small. Anyone who tells you differently has obviously not done a blind test. I have 18400+ tracks that takes up over half a terabyte in flac also ripped to less than 100Gigs as 128kbit AAC, which sounds just fine for any non-critical listening. OK, so I can't fit my entire library on a 60gig ipod, but it comes awfully close. Compared to the expense and hassle of trying to build an audio platform into my suitcase, I'd take the ipod every time (especially for the airplane listening factor). We're talking about tunes to listen to while sacking out in a hotel room, not some kind of audiophile review.

Skunk
2006-02-05, 13:33
There is no way in heck you are going to be able to detect the difference between a VBR 256Kbit mp3 (or even much lower, like 160) with small powered speakers connected to the analog output of a laptop.

I agree, as long as it's analog out. There are lots of setups using laptops where the difference would be obvious. People with those setups probably wouldn't have a squeezebox though...

klausbgva
2006-02-05, 13:35
ideasculptor,

You are absolutely right for my travelling I will get a mobile player and some really small powered speakers.

Regarding sound quality. I just did a blind test on my bathroom slimbox with small creative powered speakers and on the kitchen slimbox with some cheap (they will have to go) 15$ lab tech speakers.

My wife did change the songs and I could not see the display.

Reslut in the Bath room I could tell the diference every single time
In the Kitchen I was accurate 70% of the time

I used the following albums to test :
Made in heaven form Queen
Carmen Fantasie Anne Sophie Mutter (Deutsche Gramophon)

The CD's are all encoded to flac transcoded them to 256VBR MP3 for the test

Did test some other pop Track where I could not tel the difference for most of them

Pale Blue Ego
2006-02-05, 14:59
A nice-sounding powered speaker is the Tivoli iPal. It's basically an AM/FM radio with a rechargable battery and a single "high-end" 2.5" speaker. It has a stereo headphone jack and an inupt jack to handle an iPod (or SB).

The tuner in this thing is better than the one in many modern receivers. It pulls in tons of stations and locks on without drift. We use it out in the yard with FM or an iPod and it sounds great. The lack of stereo speakers doesn't matter much - with most small powered speakers, you don't get much separation anyway. The amp and speaker in the iPal sound clean, clear, and (dare I say it?) rich. It sounds better than many big boomboxes with cheap ear-bleeding speakers.

It's kind of pricey at $150, but this is a quality unit that will last for many years, and it's something you'd actually want to listen to. The rechargable battery is supposedly good for up to 16 hours, though I've never come close to verifying that claim. It's fine for hotel listening and would work great with a SB in a net-connected hotel room. Use it with SqueezeNetwork for internet radio, the live archive, or the sleep-inducing ocean/rain/cricket sounds. Good alarm clock, too.

fairyliquidizer
2006-02-05, 15:19
I'm an iPal user myself. It's a class bathroom radio and you can charge it up and take it away for the weekend with your iPod. Stereo separation where the speakers are only a foot or two apart is worthless so you'd be better off with a quality mono speaker.

As for detecting the difference between 128kbps QuickTime AAC and FLAC, it's damn difficult even on good speakers. Try a proper ABX test if you don't beleive me (visit Hydrogenaudio for test setup details).

Retro Fi :)

stokessd
2006-02-05, 16:45
I've got a pair of tivoli radios, a radio one and the stereo one (radio 2 I think). I'm not too impressed with the sound quality. I have a Boston Acoustics clock radio on my nightstand, and it sounds a whole lot better to my ears. No line in on the boston radio though.

For travel, I use my iPOD with a set of etymotic research headphones, and it's hard to beat. Small size and the earphones block out the airplane noise.

On my electrostatic speaks, I can hear the difference between high bit rate VBR lame and either flac or the original CD, but the differences are surprisingly small. Fraunhoffer vs flac is much more obvious. This arguement is much like TIFF vs low compression JPEG, there are differences, but it takes some scrutinizing to see it.

I use lame encoded MP3's on my pod, and based on my looking, there is really no other portable player out there of any merit. I use MP3's rather than lossless on the pod because I'd rather than a larger music library rather than a smaller one. I never know what I'll be in the mood for. IF my pod didn't have enough space for enough music, I'd compress more, rather than suffer with a smaller library especially when traveling.


Sheldon