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benthos
2006-02-02, 19:22
Has anyone else noticed that the fast-forwarding and rewinding functions of the SB3 are not very functional? On several occasions I have tried rewinding or fast-forwarding a track to a given point, and the SB3 will freeze. It often happens when I press a button a few times rapidly.

Another problem with fast-forwarding and rewinding: say you're trying to rewind to the middle of a track. You press rewind on the remote once, and it starts to rewind. It reaches the point that you'd like to play - but you need to press rewind again another two or three or four times to get it to play. If you hit play, the track will stop, and when you hit play again, it will resume rewinding. If you hit stop, the track will stop, and when you hit play, it resets the playback of the track.

In short, there's no way to get it to start playing at the point you want it to unless you press the rewind button several times rapidly - something that (as mentioned above) more often than not results in the SB3 freezing up. Surely something can be done to give users the option of just having a *single* rewind and fast-forward speed, so that one press of the button gets the SB3 to start playing. I'm thinking that this could also resolve the freezing problem.

Has anyone else had similar experiences?

Chris

dancarne
2006-02-02, 19:44
I agree. And, thanks for writing this up.

I really wish that my SB3 did rewind, because when I listen to music, I often think, "That was great. I want to roll back and listen to that again." To me that's part of really understanding and getting to know your favorite music.

DC

benthos
2006-02-02, 20:21
I counted eight (8) different rewind speeds that you have to cycle through until the track resumes playing. It's ridiculous.. I'm guessing that the people who designed this function never really used it much.

kdf
2006-02-02, 20:34
Scanning fwd/rev, of course, only works with native formats (mp3, wav, flac, wma for sb3). As an alternative to the fwd/rew buttons, you may want to try the song scanner plugin. you can navigate to that, and then you are presented with a bar graphic representing the entire song time. Use the arrow buttons to move to the time index you wish to have then press play. The song will begin playing at that point in time. if you want a single-button jump into the pugin, create a Custom.map file and save it to the IR folder under your slimserver installation. In it, put the following:

[common]
fwd.hold = menu_PLUGIN.Scanner

Then go into palyer settings->remote, and choose the custom.map remote file. This will override the press and hold FWD for that player.


NOTE: when rewinding, you do NOT have to go through every speed to get back to normal. just press PLAY to play at that point, or pause to hold at that point. Also, pressing in the opposite direction goes right back to play.

-k

benthos
2006-02-02, 21:11
As an alternative to the fwd/rew buttons, you may want to try the song scanner plugin.

Thanks for the info, KDF, I've installed Songscanner and I'll try and create this "custom map" thing you mentioned.

However, I still can't believe how impractical the ordinary rewind and fast-forward functions are on the SB3. At the very least, a listener should be able to get the player to go back to "play" mode by pressing the button that is the opposite of what they were doing - so if you were rewinding, rather than having to cycle through a dozen different speeds before you can get back to "play", you just hit "fast-forward" once and the track starts playing. It seems so simple, so intuitive.. and yet it's not available. Instead, if you were to press fast-forward while rewinding, the SB3 would start fast-forwarding, and then you'd have the same problem all over again. This by far is the most frustrating problem I've encountered using the SB3 - probably because I run into it all the time.

Is there any way this can be remedied in the next firmware update?

Chris

benthos
2006-02-02, 21:22
And lest I forget to mention: when you press rewind or fast-forward multiple times to get back to "play" mode, the SB3 actually speeds up the function and moves you even *further* away from where it was you wanted to resume playback, often taking you to the beginning or end of the track before you can cycle through all eight speeds.

I'm getting agitated just thinking about it. Where's my chamomile tea?

kdf
2006-02-02, 21:24
benthos wrote:
> kdf Wrote:
>
>> As an alternative to the fwd/rew buttons, you may want to try the song
>> scanner plugin.
>>
>
> Thanks for the info, KDF, I've installed Songscanner and I'll try and
> create this "custom map" thing you mentioned.
>
you can edit Default.map if you'd prefer. You will have to restart the
server, and be aware that if you install a new version of slimserver
then your changes to Default.map will need to be made again. Custom.map
is left alone.

> However, I still can't believe how impractical the ordinary rewind and
> fast-forward functions are on the SB3.
yes, I read your posts.

> At the very least, a listener
> should be able to get the player to go back to "play" mode by pressing
> the button that is the opposite of what they were doing - so if you
> were rewinding, rather than having to cycle through a dozen different
> speeds before you can get back to "play", you just hit "fast-forward"
> once and the track starts playing.
as I have said, you do not have to do this. you just hit play to
return. This is like a lot of dvd players. Though, I know this does
have more levels. My particular dvd player skips 2x, 4x, 8, 16 and 32
and doesn't actually return to play. intuitive is a matter of perspective.

> Is there any way this can be remedied in the next firmware update?
>
it has nothing to do with firmware, which is fortunate. the firmware is
not open. the server software is, so all that is required is for
someone to write a patch. As you my guess, everyone has their own
priorities, and you'll find that most are far more willing to cheer for
their pet peeve to be fixed, than to learn perl and fix it. You can
always go to bugs.slimdevices.com, find the various reports on ffwd and
rew, and vote for your favourite.

-k

kdf
2006-02-02, 21:35
benthos wrote:
> And lest I forget to mention: when you press rewind or fast-forward
> multiple times to get back to "play" mode, the SB3 actually speeds up
> the function and moves you even *further* away from where it was you
> wanted to resume playback, often taking you to the beginning or end of
> the track before you can cycle through all eight speeds.
>
> I'm getting agitated just thinking about it. Where's my chamomile tea?
>
>
probably stitting in front of the part of the screen where the reply
posts keep saying that you do not have to keep skipping through faster
fwd speeds to get back to play.

I'll say again press PLAY on the remote. That's what it is for, playing
music.

and just think, I could be writing code instead of writing the same post
over and over.

-kdf

benthos
2006-02-02, 21:47
benthos wrote:

> At the very least, a listener
> should be able to get the player to go back to "play" mode by pressing
> the button that is the opposite of what they were doing - so if you
> were rewinding, rather than having to cycle through a dozen different
> speeds before you can get back to "play", you just hit "fast-forward"
> once and the track starts playing.

as I have said, you do not have to do this. you just hit play to
return. This is like a lot of dvd players.

hey, you're right. when did this start working? I could have sworn that pressing play didn't work in the past. so this means I've been driving myself crazy for no good reason. hmm.

benthos
2006-02-02, 22:08
As you my guess, everyone has their own
priorities, and you'll find that most are far more willing to cheer for
their pet peeve to be fixed, than to learn perl and fix it.

as if that were a "bad" thing.. spoken like someone who knows perl.

kdf
2006-02-02, 22:23
benthos wrote:
> kdf Wrote:
>
>> As you my guess, everyone has their own
>> priorities, and you'll find that most are far more willing to cheer for
>>
>> their pet peeve to be fixed, than to learn perl and fix it.
>>
>
> as if that were a "bad" thing.. spoken like someone who knows perl.
>
>
like someone who learned perl after installing slimserver, in order to
make some things work the way I wanted them to. it isn't that hard; it
just takes time.

-k

Skunk
2006-02-02, 22:27
I tried testing FF RW feature after a recent thread without first considering what was playing, which was Brian Eno and David Byrne, My Life In The Bush of Ghosts, and in the middle of song two I couldn't tell if I was going backward or forward, or even double speed or real time. Disoriented would be an understatement.

I'm sure this means nothing to almost everyone here, but if *one* person has heard the album, and reads this (and finds it somewhat amusing), it will have been worth it. It is on-topic at least, and a true story.

stinkingpig
2006-02-02, 22:42
Skunk wrote:
> I tried testing FF RW feature after a recent thread without first
> considering what was playing, which was Brian Eno and David Byrne, My
> Life In The Bush of Ghosts, and in the middle of song two I couldn't
> tell if I was going backward or forward, or even double speed or real
> time. Disoriented would be an understatement.
>
> I'm sure this means nothing to almost everyone here, but if *one*
> person has heard the album, and reads this (and finds it somewhat
> amusing), it will have been worth it. It is on-topic at least, and a
> true story.
>

I've got that album too, and I totally understand. Had a similar
experience with "The Shutov Assembly".

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

Skunk
2006-02-02, 22:59
Had a similar experience with "The Shutov Assembly".
--

I'll have two please.

autopilot
2006-02-03, 05:50
While i love my SB3, Fastforwarding/rewinding is an absolute joke. Even with WMA, MP3 and FLAC (all native) it never seems to work properly, at all. Another major bug with an otherwise great bit of kit.

stinkingpig
2006-02-03, 10:51
dangerous_dom wrote:
> While i love my SB3, Fastforwarding/rewinding is an absolute joke. Even
> with WMA, MP3 and FLAC (all native) it never seems to work properly, at
> all. Another major bug with an otherwise great bit of kit.
>

works fine for me, using MP3, SS ver 6.2. I don't use it much though,
just when someone says it doesn't work. Maybe you're having a issue with
the design rather than the implementation (e.g. you want it to work
differently than it does)?

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's a Scientific Venture...
Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996