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Russell
2006-01-18, 19:11
I know that there is software for the newer wireless PDAs, allowing them to control the Squeezebox, but what about older models? My money is going into more intersting things like food, mortgage, university, etc. and there is certainly no way I will lay out several hundred dollars for a toy. On the other hand, PalmVIIs are going for under $30 in Canada. Is there software that would allow this to control the Squeezebox? Wired, I know.

Russ

mherger
2006-01-18, 23:59
> I know that there is software for the newer wireless PDAs, allowing them
> to control the Squeezebox, but what about older models? Is there
> software that would allow this to control the Squeezebox?
> Wired, I know.

No problem! As long as you have a decent web browser and a tcp/ip
connection into your network, you can reach slimserver. Wireless isn't a
requirement, it's just a convenient thing. Most wouldn't want to use a
wired pda as a remote control.

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Mark Lanctot
2006-01-19, 08:05
To a networked device, SlimServer is just another
web page.

It doesn't matter what software this device runs,
if it can see a web page, it can control SlimServer.

The handheld skin makes the page more functional
and look better on smaller screens.

Russell wrote:
> I know that there is software for the newer wireless
PDAs, allowing them
> to control the Squeezebox, but what about older
models? My money is
> going into more intersting things like food,
mortgage, university, etc.
> and there is certainly no way I will lay out several
hundred dollars for
> a toy. On the other hand, PalmVIIs are going for
under $30 in Canada.
> Is there software that would allow this to control
the Squeezebox?
> Wired, I know.
>
> Russ
>
>

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Mark Lanctot
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Russell
2006-01-20, 05:05
Mark

The intent is to "bury" these things in the wall. I really can't see myself
walking around with a remote.

Pardon my ignorance, but what software would you suggest.

I am a user, as they said in TRON, not a programmer.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Lanctot" <marklanctot (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca>
To: "Slim Devices Discussion" <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: [slim] Older PDA software for Squeezebox Control


> To a networked device, SlimServer is just another
> web page.
>
> It doesn't matter what software this device runs,
> if it can see a web page, it can control SlimServer.
>
> The handheld skin makes the page more functional
> and look better on smaller screens.
>
> Russell wrote:
>> I know that there is software for the newer wireless
> PDAs, allowing them
>> to control the Squeezebox, but what about older
> models? My money is
>> going into more intersting things like food,
> mortgage, university, etc.
>> and there is certainly no way I will lay out several
> hundred dollars for
>> a toy. On the other hand, PalmVIIs are going for
> under $30 in Canada.
>> Is there software that would allow this to control
> the Squeezebox?
>> Wired, I know.
>>
>> Russ
>>
>>
>
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>
> Mark Lanctot
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Mark Lanctot
2006-01-20, 08:04
Well in that case you have a bit of an issue. I
don't know how Palms work, but I assume they're
like my non-WiFi PocketPC: they require a USB
connection to the network through a PC and synch
software to handle the translation.

So unfortunately unless you can find a device that
can bridge Ethernet-USB, you won't be able to use
a wired PDA. Even if you find a bridge, the
device needs to be communicating with synch software.

Now I have heard mention of tablet PCs that have
built-in Ethernet ports. Someone mentioned an
older out-of-production one that can be bought
very cheaply, something like $100 US on eBay.
These will have a much larger screen than a PDA.
I wish I could find where these cheap, older
tablets were mentioned. IIRC they run Windows CE.
I've been searching the forums with no success.
It has some sort of "high tech" marketing name,
like "eToy" or something, hopefully someone
remembers it. I recall googling it and coming
across a few enthusiast's sites. Argh, it's
driving me nuts that I can't find it! :-(

Again, the only software required is a web
browser. If you can see a web page, you can see
SlimServer.

Solvason-Pastuch wrote:
> Mark
>
> The intent is to "bury" these things in the wall. I
really can't see
> myself walking around with a remote.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what software would you
suggest.
>
> I am a user, as they said in TRON, not a programmer.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lanctot"
<marklanctot (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca>
> To: "Slim Devices Discussion"
<discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [slim] Older PDA software for
Squeezebox Control
>
>
>> To a networked device, SlimServer is just another
>> web page.
>>
>> It doesn't matter what software this device runs,
>> if it can see a web page, it can control
SlimServer.
>>
>> The handheld skin makes the page more functional
>> and look better on smaller screens.
>>
>> Russell wrote:
>>> I know that there is software for the newer
wireless
>> PDAs, allowing them
>>> to control the Squeezebox, but what about older
>> models? My money is
>>> going into more intersting things like food,
>> mortgage, university, etc.
>>> and there is certainly no way I will lay out
several
>> hundred dollars for
>>> a toy. On the other hand, PalmVIIs are going for
>> under $30 in Canada.
>>> Is there software that would allow this to control
>> the Squeezebox?
>>> Wired, I know.
>>>
>>> Russ
>>>
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Mark Lanctot
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Mark Lanctot
2006-01-20, 09:19
AHA! Found it!

The device I was looking for is a 3Com Audrey.

http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/audrey/

eBay always shows several. There's an auction
ending in 13 minutes with the last bid at $57 CDN.
You may be able to pick one up for less than
$100 CDN.

This is not a tablet PC, it's an "Internet
appliance" and was unfortunately not successful in
that ill-fated market. But it could control
SlimServer quite well.

Unfortunately my memory failed me on this one. It
is not a conventional touchscreen and could not be
buried into a wall as it may require a keyboard.
The screen can be accessed using the clear pen.

Note you will need the Ethernet adapter, although
since it has USB ports you could possibly get a
USB network card. But USB NICs usually need
drivers, and I don't know how you could get a
driver installed on an Audrey.

Worth some research because of the price though.

Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Well in that case you have a bit of an issue. I
> don't know how Palms work, but I assume they're
> like my non-WiFi PocketPC: they require a USB
> connection to the network through a PC and synch
> software to handle the translation.
>
> So unfortunately unless you can find a device that
> can bridge Ethernet-USB, you won't be able to use
> a wired PDA. Even if you find a bridge, the
> device needs to be communicating with synch
software.
>
> Now I have heard mention of tablet PCs that have
> built-in Ethernet ports. Someone mentioned an
> older out-of-production one that can be bought
> very cheaply, something like $100 US on eBay.
> These will have a much larger screen than a PDA.
> I wish I could find where these cheap, older
> tablets were mentioned. IIRC they run Windows CE.
> I've been searching the forums with no success.
> It has some sort of "high tech" marketing name,
> like "eToy" or something, hopefully someone
> remembers it. I recall googling it and coming
> across a few enthusiast's sites. Argh, it's
> driving me nuts that I can't find it! :-(
>
> Again, the only software required is a web
> browser. If you can see a web page, you can see
> SlimServer.
>
> Solvason-Pastuch wrote:
>> Mark
>>
>> The intent is to "bury" these things in the wall.
I
> really can't see
>> myself walking around with a remote.
>>
>> Pardon my ignorance, but what software would you
> suggest.
>> I am a user, as they said in TRON, not a
programmer.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lanctot"
> <marklanctot (AT) yahoo (DOT) ca>
>> To: "Slim Devices Discussion"
> <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [slim] Older PDA software for
> Squeezebox Control
>>
>>> To a networked device, SlimServer is just another
>>> web page.
>>>
>>> It doesn't matter what software this device runs,
>>> if it can see a web page, it can control
> SlimServer.
>>> The handheld skin makes the page more functional
>>> and look better on smaller screens.
>>>
>>> Russell wrote:
>>>> I know that there is software for the newer
> wireless
>>> PDAs, allowing them
>>>> to control the Squeezebox, but what about older
>>> models? My money is
>>>> going into more intersting things like food,
>>> mortgage, university, etc.
>>>> and there is certainly no way I will lay out
> several
>>> hundred dollars for
>>>> a toy. On the other hand, PalmVIIs are going for
>>> under $30 in Canada.
>>>> Is there software that would allow this to
control
>>> the Squeezebox?
>>>> Wired, I know.
>>>>
>>>> Russ
>>>>

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Mark Lanctot
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thepainter
2006-01-20, 11:43
Actually the Audrey isn't bad but maybe a better looking tablet with instant on (WinCe) would be the 'epods' tablet that has an active Hack group and can run wirelessly with a pcmcia card. It also uses a compact disc slot for storage. Take a look.
http://www.geocities.com/epodsfiles/

If you are interested I have one that's about 3wks new with a working wireless card.

Paul

P.s. It's also touch screen.

Jon
2006-02-02, 19:22
I am (er ... will be) using the ePods to control my newly-arrived Squeezeboxes, I have two ePods and (as of today) two Squeezeboxes. Over the past few months, I've taken the handheld skin and re-written it to make it more ePods-friendly, adding color, formatting it to better fit the screen, larger fonts, merging the status and playlist screens, etc ... which was an interesting task, considering the fact that I am not an html programmer (nor have I done any programming in over 10 years) and still have no idea how Template Toolkit actually works. But I was able to get it done, and it looks pretty cool on the ePods and looks great on the PC too.

I've done some fairly extensive experimenting with this setup (wirelessly and hardwired) using Softsqueeze ... the ePods works very well with one noteable annoyance, that being that it is a fairly slow web browser ... I guess this is what I get for using circa 1999 technology, but at $110 per ePods I guess I cannot complain much.

Bringing up the main screen is fairly quick ... but bringing up the "browse albums" or "browse artists" screens can take 6 to 10 seconds (and to get it down to 6 seconds, I had to reduce the default "items per page" setting from 50 to 20).

I don't think there is much that can be done to speed this up, the ePods has a fairly slow CPU and only supports WinCE 2.11 and Internet Explorer 4. It is well known for having poor web browsing performance.