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Michaelwagner
2006-01-16, 16:28
All this talk about the work being done for the Nokia 770 is making me jealous. But it seems Nokia has no plans to release the 770 here in Canada.

So I was wondering about other options.

Has anyone any experience using HP iPAQs for this?

If so, how well do they work? Any gotchas, things (or models) to avoid?

Any other better PDAs for this sort of thing?

mherger
2006-01-17, 00:43
> All this talk about the work being done for the Nokia 770 is making me
> jealous. But it seems Nokia has no plans to release the 770 here in
> Canada.

Didn't know Canada was as unimportant a market as Switzerland :-). Welcome
aboard!

> Has anyone any experience using HP iPAQs for this?

Is "this" SlimServer remote controlling? You then could really go with the
least expensive wlan compatible pda with a decent battery lifetime. I'm
still using my Zaurus 5500 with the Handheld skin - a dinosaur (the OPIE
authors must have been aware of this: http://opie.handhelds.org/).

> Any other better PDAs for this sort of thing?

The bigger the screen the better you might think. But 640x480 won't offer
enough for the "normal skins" while Handheld might not fill that space
enough. I think I'll have to order the 770 somewhere abroad... (I do not
only want it as a SB remote, but as a surf device, too).

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Michaelwagner
2006-01-17, 06:42
Didn't know Canada was as unimportant a market as Switzerland :-). Welcome aboard!

Thanks for the welcome, Michael. Sorta wish I didn't need it :-(

Yeah, for many things, Canada is an unimportant marketplace.


I think I'll have to order the 770 somewhere abroad... (I do not only want it as a SB remote, but as a surf device, too).
I suppose there's always that option.

How is the 770 programmed? It's a linux box, right?

What about the ones based on Pocket Windows or whatever it's called, like the iPAQ? How are they programmed? Is there any high-level-language support for them? Even C or (sigh) basic would be better than itsie bitsie machine language.

Jacob Potter
2006-01-17, 07:06
On 1/17/06, Michaelwagner
<Michaelwagner.21s7hb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> How is the 770 programmed? It's a linux box, right?

Yep, it uses GTK+ and X just like any other Linux system. There's a
cross-development environment, so you can build apps on a PC pretty
easily without having the hardware itself. http://www.maemo.org/

- Jacob

Mark Lanctot
2006-01-17, 07:12
Michaelwagner wrote:
>
> What about the ones based on Pocket Windows or
whatever it's called,
> like the iPAQ? How are they programmed? Is there any
> high-level-language support for them? Even C or
(sigh) basic would be
> better than itsie bitsie machine language.
>
>

I have a Dell Axim X30 PocketPC, similar to an HP
iPAQ. It runs Windows Mobile 2003. I don't know
what version they run now, but it's only a year old.

I'm not sure what its applications are written in
so I can't tell you. There are lots of them,
although very, very few are free or open source.

About the only thing I truly hate about Windows
Mobile 2003 is you can't exit programs! The "X"
icon just minimizes them! What were they
thinking? Fortunately mine ships with the "Dell
Switcher Bar" program which allows you to stop
programs.

I have the cheapest version so no Wi-Fi, so I'm
not using it to control SlimServer/Squeezebox, but
I tried it out once (wired through USB) using the
handheld skin and it worked nicely.

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Mark Lanctot
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Kyle
2006-01-17, 08:01
I've been using a Sony CLIE and the handheld skin with no problems at all. I use the built-in browser, and it works fine.

mherger
2006-01-17, 08:04
> How is the 770 programmed? It's a linux box, right?

Mainly C/C++, I guess.

> What about the ones based on Pocket Windows or whatever it's called,
> like the iPAQ? How are they programmed? Is there any

Oh, this is MS, it must be C# then :-)

> high-level-language support for them? Even C or (sigh) basic would be
> better than itsie bitsie machine language.

I think there are quite a few options. I'm sure C, .net and others are
possible. I'm currently playing with EWE, something java based/related,
but optimized for small devices (www.ewesoft.org). It doesn't give the
nicest looking applications, but my app will run on my Zaurus, on my Linux
desktop and the XP Laptop. And if ever my boss pays me a PocketPC
Smartphone Edition mobile, it will even run on my phone. By the day the
Nokia 770 is available in Switzerland, support for this device might be
available...

In short: yes, high level languages are available. The day I got my Nokia,
I'll try to install perl on my Zaurus. And run Slimserver off it :-).

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Michael

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Skunk
2006-01-17, 08:15
I've a Hitachi HPW 600 etm with the SH4 processor running windows ce 3. I walk in my house and it synchs my mail, contacts, to do etc (theoretically). It does have USB out too, which made me consider getting a USB dac at one time.

I posted a pic in the thread above, I would have posted it here but I didn't see the thread :(

Anyway, it was $250 on ebay. Someone on a forum pointed me to the seller- perhaps it was someone here?

ceejay
2006-01-17, 15:04
Has anyone any experience using HP iPAQs for this?

If so, how well do they work? Any gotchas, things (or models) to avoid?



I have an HP iPaq which I use occasionally for controlling slimserver. I use it with the "handheld" skin and it works pretty well.

Having said that, I don't find I use it very much in practice - the normal remote does most of what I want.

Gotchas? Well, most PDAs are I think "b" wireless, so will slow down your "g" network if that's what you have (my solution - two WAPs).

Also, I found the Windows2003 utilities to set up networks unbelievably clunky and frustrating to use, though once set up it does now just work.

Ceejay.

ShorinSean
2006-02-27, 21:19
I also use a Dell Axim as a remote using the handheld skin, and it does work well. But it would be nice to use a different interface when you access it via another browser type. I don't know anything about this, but certainly commercial websites (stellar example is the BBC) exhibit different behavior when accessed by a handheld vs a fullsize browser.

Is it possible to use both, depending on device?

kdf
2006-02-27, 21:46
On 27-Feb-06, at 8:19 PM, ShorinSean wrote:

>
> I also use a Dell Axim as a remote using the handheld skin, and it does
> work well. But it would be nice to use a different interface when you
> access it via another browser type. I don't know anything about this,
> but certainly commercial websites (stellar example is the BBC) exhibit
> different behavior when accessed by a handheld vs a fullsize browser.
>
> Is it possible to use both, depending on device?
>
http://slimserverip:9000/handheld

http://slimserverip:9000/default

http://slimserverip:9000/nokia770

http://slimserverip:9000/mycustomskinwithallmyfavouritefeatures
(hypothetically)

-k

Michaelwagner
2006-02-28, 04:06
I think the question meant: Can the server chose automatically to display different things depending on the browser.

The answer is yes, it is theoretically possible. The http protocol does deliver to the server the name of the browser being used.

It's up to the web server whether it makes any use of that data or not.

AFAIK, Slim does not, at present, use this information.

cshaida
2006-02-28, 14:36
Made an impulse buy this summer of an axim, although I didn't really need a 'pocket pc'--what I needed was a handheld device that would let me browse any website plus would function as an sb3 remote (hmmm, what device does that sound like?). The axim doesn't work well as a browser for me (only really works on 'pda friendly' sites); it's fine as a sb3 remote except for boot time (about a minute), which I guess wouldn't be necessary if you kept it on and in the charger all the time?

Haven't turned it on since I got my 770 (?!). So if you manage to resist the foreign lure of the 770 and want to give it a try you can trade me something for it (it's got 1GB of memory and North American GPS too!)

Masterbaron
2006-03-01, 08:34
I use the above combination in a MAC environment and I have to say it rocks. Salling Clicker permits remoting of all media functions (iTunes, iDVD, iPhoto, etc.) plus Indigo for home automation to the Lifedrive with Bluetooth. Add a Class1 Bluetooth dongle and you can roam the house and control your world.

Slimserver functionality is completely preserved with Salling Clicker - total solution...