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holthaus
2006-01-15, 16:36
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> 1. Re: Re: Controlling SB via Pocket PC (Mike Benjamin)
> 2. Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router (nicketynick)
> 3. Re: AllofMP3.com (superbad)
> 4. Re: iTunes and DRM (superbad)
> 5. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 6. Re: AllofMP3.com (JackOfAll)
> 7. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 8. Re: AllofMP3.com (jackaninny)
> 9. Re: Re: AllofMP3.com (Richie)
> 10. Re: Re: Feature request: Polarity control
> (Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes)
> 11. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 12. Re: AllofMP3.com (Scott F.)
> 13. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 14. Re: Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router (Mark Lanctot)
> 15. Re: AllofMP3.com (jackaninny)
> 16. Re: adding favorites with remote (DrNic)
> 17. Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router (nicketynick)
> 18. Re: AllofMP3.com (snarlydwarf)
> 19. Re: AllofMP3.com (jackaninny)
> 20. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 21. Re: AllofMP3.com (JackOfAll)
> 22. Re: Serious SB3 problems. (phatteus)
> 23. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 24. Re: Wireless Rebooting (formerly My NOT good
> wirelessexperience) (Dean Wyler)
> 25. Re: AllofMP3.com (jackaninny)
> 26. Re: Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router (Mark Lanctot)
> 27. Re: iTunes and DRM (mikerob)
> 28. Re: AllofMP3.com (Scott F.)
> 29. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 30. Re: AllofMP3.com (Michaelwagner)
> 31. Re: Re: AllofMP3.com (Jack Coates)
> 32. Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router (nicketynick)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:05:26 -0700
>From: Mike Benjamin <mikeb (AT) mikeb (DOT) org>
>Subject: Re: [slim] Re: Controlling SB via Pocket PC
>To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
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>Sike,
>
>I'm using an iPAQ rx3115. It has replaced all my infrared remotes
>with Pocket PC remote software, and controls all my squeezeboxes via
>Internet Explorer. Personally Telcanto didn't do what I wanted at
>all, so I made my own HTML interface based on Michael's Handheld.
>
>The battery life on it is great and the look fairly good IMO. I
>second Michael's thought of putting in a second AP. I have one for b
>devices and one for g devices in my house. It was especially easy
>since I already had the b to begin with.
>
>I hope that helps.
>
>-- Mike
>
>
>Sike wrote:
>> Mike: I'm currently in Geneva during the week and spend most of my
>> weekends in Bern (where the Gadgets pile up) What about you?
>>
>> A Zaurius ;) suprised you don't just want a command line! ;)
>>
>> Admidtedly the Nokia 770 looks cooler, and there are not that many nice
>> looking PDA's out there.
>>
>> No I don't use all my music.. but one day I may want to listen to David
>> Haselhof... again..
>>
>>
>
>
>
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>Message: 2
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:25:18 -0800
>From: nicketynick <nicketynick.21p0nz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: Results with SMCWBR14g router
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>
>On further thought, its not actually powering off, it just doesn't have
>anything to display since it has lost its connection. Checking the
>router log, the SB3 keeps re-connecting (to the router), but for some
>reason seems unable to re-establish the connection to the server and
>resume playing. Also, I don't think the server ever seems to notice
>that the player is gone.
>Any ideas how I can troubleshoot this?
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:34:51 -0800
>From: superbad <superbad.21p14o (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
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>
>This may be a little silly, but I only use allofmp3 to buy music from
>artists who have been dead for at least 10 years. I figure they don't
>miss the royalties too much. And if BMG or somebody misses out on a
>couple bucks profit from a dead guy's work, oh well.
>
>That said, if the record companies offered lossless downloads for less
>than $1/song, I would be all over it. I would even accept DRM, but only
>if it allowed me to play my music on the Squeezebox, or any other device
>I might own.
>
>Considering that's the same price they would get for a CD, and they
>didn't have to manufacture, warehouse, distribute, or give a retailer
>any margin, they should be jumping all over themselves to offer songs
>at that price. And if they don't, then they deserve the piracy and
>Russian end-runs they are getting. Lossless files at $.50 each would
>eliminate %75 of music piracy, and it would kill allofmp3.
>
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>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:42:48 -0800
>From: superbad <superbad.21p1lb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: iTunes and DRM
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>kewe65 Wrote:
>>
>> There are so many other products out there that support playback of
>> iTunes purchased files - including Java documentation for reading the
>> tags using the QuickTime API.
>
>The only one I know of is the Airport thing, which is probably what you
>are stuck with using I'm afraid. No remote or display, apart from your
>computer in the other room. Sucks, but there is nothing anyone but
>Apple can do about it. If you're not worried about the ethics of
>exploiting Russian copyright loopholes, you could use allofmp3 to
>download DRM-free individual tracks.
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:48:42 -0800
>From: Michaelwagner
> <Michaelwagner.21p1lb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>superbad Wrote:
>> I only use allofmp3 to buy music from artists who have been dead for at
>> least 10 years. I figure they don't miss the royalties too much.
>But their families might.
>
>Regardless of how you personally feel about it, society as a whole
>decided, not just for music but for all copyright issues, decades ago,
>that copyrights last for some period of time after the copyright holder
>has died (I think it's 50 years).
>
>Notice that has nothing to do with the artist. The copyright holder is
>the person who wrote the music, the words or both. S/He might even be
>alive, even though the performer is dead. It often happens that they
>don't die at the same time :-)
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 12:54:18 -0800
>From: JackOfAll <JackOfAll.21p21z (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>Scott F. Wrote:
>> In my view it's wrong to support AllofMP3 and I think eventually the
>> Russian courts will come to the same decision.
>
>Maybe. My research into the subject led me to believe that the most
>likely outcome was that a label or artist would launch a civil suit on
>the basis that copyrighted music was sold without a fee being returned
>to the copyright holder. It is a matter of whether it can be proven
>that AllOfMP3 have not met there obligations to ROMS. My understanding
>from a statement made by someone at ROMS (which I'm unable to find a
>link to right now), is that they cared not whether the MP3 was
>downloaded by someone located in Russia or externally, only that
>Mediaservices honour the payments required by their license.
>
>As AllOfMP3 have been operating for several years and have not yet been
>challenged on that basis, and I'm sure the relevent labels would have
>funded a case if there were the slightest possibility that AllOfMP3 are
>not fullfilling there license obligations, I am led to believe that the
>only way this site will be shut down is with a change in Russian
>legislation regarding copyright, which is probably not likely to happen
>for several years.
>
>Your original post suggested that artists were not receiving royalties
>(regardless of however small they might be) from AllOfMP3. I took that
>to mean that AllOfMP3 were in breach of their ROMS' license, or that
>ROMS are not returning revenues.
>
>Anyway, I agree with your sentiment and I will be the last person on
>earth to steal from artists, but my take is that the music industry
>only have themselves to blame and I'm damn well fed up with their
>stupid attempts to maintain their monopolies and profits. They shot
>themselves in the foot and will continue doing so for years to come.
>
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>Message: 7
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:01:08 -0800
>From: Michaelwagner
> <Michaelwagner.21p2in (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>JackOfAll Wrote:
>> They shot themselves in the foot
>The Sony rootkit feels that way to me.
>
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>Message: 8
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:02:56 -0800
>From: jackaninny <jackaninny.21p2in (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>Michaelwagner Wrote:
>> But their families might.
>>
>> Regardless of how you personally feel about it, society as a whole
>> decided, not just for music but for all copyright issues, decades ago,
>> that copyrights last for some period of time after the copyright holder
>> has died (I think it's 50 years).
>>
>> Notice that has nothing to do with the artist. The copyright holder is
>> the person who wrote the music, the words or both. S/He might even be
>> alive, even though the performer is dead. It often happens that they
>> don't die at the same time :-)
>
>first - i believe it's life plus 70 years for works published after
>1977 and 95 years if it's a corporate work. 'as a society' in 1998 'we'
>passed copyright term extension act which extended the term by another
>20 years from the previous 50. the same 1998 act works created in 1923
>or after will enter the public domain until 2019 and in many cases that
>date is even in question. have something create before 1978 but not
>registired for copyright protection? don't worry it's covered in the
>same 1998 act and will not enter the public domain until 2047. all of
>this legislation is private and corporate welfare plain and simple and
>at the expense of our society and culture.
>
>perhaps someone could tell me how this benefits the general public and
>why we, the public, should subsidize the next 3 generations or more of
>a particular artist?
>
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>Message: 9
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:10:46 +0000
>From: Richie <gibbering.idiot (AT) gmail (DOT) com>
>Subject: Re: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
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>> Regardless of how you personally feel about it, society as a whole
>> decided, not just for music but for all copyright issues, decades ago,
>> that copyrights last for some period of time after the copyright holder
>> has died (I think it's 50 years).
>
>Copyrights only used to be valid for a much shorter period (14 years
>with an option of another 14 years, from the time the work was
>created). It's only intense lobbying by the entertainment corporations
>that has had these periods increased. I don't think 'society' had much
>to do with current state of affairs.
>
>Richard
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 20:39:00 +0000
>From: Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes <alex (AT) fiennes (DOT) org>
>Subject: Re: [slim] Re: Feature request: Polarity control
>To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
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><snip>
>
>> > There is a school of thought that says that the fact that the inversion
>> > of a
>> > some steady state non-symmetric signals being audibly different (which
>> >
>> > appears to be the most common proof of absolute phase being important)
>> > is
>> > proof that loudspeakers are not quite as linear and symetrical as they
>> > should
>> > be so maybe with a "perfect system" it would be a different story? (I
>> > jest
>> > slightly)
>>
>> Sure. However, we only have loudspeakers, and if they sound better with
>> correct polarity, then that is what we should use!
>
>I would be interested to know whether or not the results of people's
polarity
>decisions based on listening match with other people's conclusions. I
wonder
>whether or not there would be a difference of opinion with different
speaker
>technologies (ie do electrostatic panel speakers behave the same way
"upside
>down" as conventional cones? my gut reaction is not - they won't
necessarily
>be correct but they will almost definitely be different).
>
><snip>
>
>> > I would be amazed if any multi-microphone recording (even so-called
>> > time-aligned multi-mic classical recordings) came anywhere close enough
>> > to be
>> > phase coherent in themselves so any improvement would be due to chance
>> >
>> > psycho-accoustic affects rather than any "absolute correctness".
>>
>> I'm not so sure. If each channel of a multi-mic recording is in correct
>> phase, then the result is simply a superpositioning of these channels.
>> Sure, individual distances (time and volume), and low level ambient
>> information shared between the channels would be a bit of a mish-mash,
>> but the fact would remain that the leading edge of transients from all
>> channels (from the instruments dominating each channel) would be in the
>> correct direction.
>
>I've spent quite a lot of time in the past being paid by people to mic up
and
>amplify / record concerts and while you are correct that the phase
>information for each microphone would indeed be correct, the absolute
>butchering of the soundstage and any background reverberation when using
>multiple microphones. Of course, this is quite often preferrable to the
>problems of working with a stereo pair in terms of balance and gain
>(especially in a live situation) so often it is the only way to go, but in
>terms of discussing a recording being really "correct", I think that this
>only really applies to single point stereo pair recordings.
>
>> Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes Wrote:
>> > > It is true that you system has to be pretty good to hear the
>> > > difference. I had difficulty hearing it before i got the TacT RCS. I
>> > > imagine headphones would do the job at a lower cost, however.
>> >
>> > Just out of interest - are you switching your phase before you go into
>> > the
>> > TacT or after (ie on the room corrected signal)? Do you have an option
>> > on
>> > this? I would be very interested to know if there is a difference on
>> > your
>> > system. I could imagine that the room specific processing that the
>> > TacT
>> > performs on the digital signal would be much more sensitive to absolute
>> > phase
>> > than the signal from the source that is being fed into the processor.
>> >
>> > Alex
>>
>> That is an interesting point. However, if you regard the TacT pre, the
>> poweramp, and the speakers as a "black box" (let's say, a digitally
>> corrected active loudspeaker), then this question would be pointless.
>> If the corrected system gives much better performance with a input
>> signal of the correct polarity, then that is what we should use!
>>
>> I do understand your point though. Is the digital room correction doing
>> something that exagerates polarity differences, more than a perfect
>> phase coherent speaker in an ideal listening room would have done? I
>> don't know. I do know that people with very good systems, but no
>> digital room correction, report the same type of audible differences
>> between listening to correct or incorrect polarity. (I should say that
>> "correct" here means, best sounding! I have yet to verify that the best
>> sound corresponds to any recording's correct absolute polarity.
>> Something that would be an interesting project! Correlating phase-data
>> for various CDs with other audiophiles might be a good start.)
>>
>> Also, I do not know if the polarity inversion of the TacT is done
>> before or after the digital room correction processing.
>
>The key point here is that if the polarity is post TacT processing then
adding
>the functionality to the Squeezebox will probably not have the same
effect.
>However, it should be a quite easy effect to implement (although a little
bit
>of thought would need to be performed as to whether or not it is a global
>switch for the output stage or a per-track decoding option, especially
with
>cross-feeds) and it would be an interesting thing to play around with.
>
>Alex
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:26:06 -0800
>From: Michaelwagner
> <Michaelwagner.21p3g0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>
>Richie Wrote:
>> It's only intense lobbying by the entertainment corporations that has
>> had these periods increased.
>And (unfortunate) apathy by everyone else concerned.
>
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>Message: 12
>Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2006 13:23:26 -0800
>From: Scott F. <"Scott.F..21p3g0"@no-mx.forums.slimdevices.com>
>Subject: [slim] Re: AllofMP3.com
>To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
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>jackaninny Wrote:
>> would it be fair and economically feasible if that salesperson received
>> a commission on the sales that his customers made? if he then got those
>> commissions for almost 100 years AFTER he died? even if he left the
>> company and another saleperson took over his accounts and managed them?
>> what if the customers had to get written permission from the salesperson
>> before any and all new transactions? i will leave the multiple examples
>> of riaa/consumer lawsuits and the saleperson analogy to your
>> imagination.
>>
>> 1) copyright law is broken almost entirely and we are in danger of
>> watching our culture stagnate and we have handed the future over to
>> corporate america to dictate what, when, where and how long we can
>> enjoy a work. for evidence see drm, hdcp, hd-dvd, pvp-opm, etc etc.
>>
>> 2) we have, and are, creating an environment where EVERYONE is in
>> perpetual violation of copyright law - ask the russians how they felt
>> under the soviet regime.
>>
>> i am also pro-artist but i also believe that many of them are complicit
>> in the destruction of public rights. i also believe many of them are
>> living in a fantasy world if they think they can extract the same
>> profits margins as the greater world market opens up. don't expect a
>> household in china to pay $15 bucks for a cd. when major labels start
>> installing hidden software on my personal computer and that software
>> makes my personal systems vulnerable in terms of stability and security
>> well they can just go pound sand. the marketplace has made it quite
>> obvious how they want their music and the industry has stalled and told
>> us how wrong we are and then started to make us into criminals. how
>> sorry do i feel for an artist who signed a contract with the likes of
>> these corporations? no not very sorry. it seems many artists and
>> companies have been able to make some money by actually addressing
>> consumer wants without making them into criminals. see mangatunes,
>> pandora, and cdbaby for a few examples of proconsumer and proartist
>> policies.
>>
>> i guess my point is that if you decide to make me into a criminal by
>> asserting my personal rights don't be surprised if my perceived value
>> of your work is diminished. we've seen where this cycle has led so far
>> - will the artists rise up and change the future?
>
>Hi jackaninny,
>
>I realize a analogy needs some work but it was the best I could do on
>short notice :-)
>
>Believe me, I do a gree with many of your points. Unfortunately teh
>artists in order to be sucessfull in the music profession have to sign
>with the music moguels. I make no excuses for these guys. Unfortunately
>for all of us, they run the world of music as we know it.
>
>On the other hand, I've not convinced myself that another persons
>creativity and work should ever be 'public domain' even after they are
>dead and gone. I'm conflicted about that one especially if that artist
>has heirs. Now, if there is no heir-aparent this now becomes a slightly
>different issue. Should the company get paid for ditribution, marketing
>and manufacturing rights. I think so. Should they recieve 'royalties'
>for a dead artist because they were the last to sign him or her? No,
>but that is best left for a class action lawsuit.
>
>The last thing I want is to live in fear of being sued by the music
>companies. Just take a look at the whole DRM and rootkit debacle.
>Personally, I think the execs that came up with that little piece of
>artwork should be staked on a fire ant hill and have their fingernails
>pulled out with pliers then clensed with rubbing alcohol (the world is
>lucky I'm not in charge cuz things would change in a hurry).
>
>I don't have a clue what the solution to this mess is. I guess time
>will tell.
>
>Tell you what though, after thinking about this thread and the sources
>I used for my information and seeing some of the other sources named
>(as in ROMS), I'm going to do some more research. I want to know if
>AllofMP3 is actually paying royalties back to the artists or not. I
>don't particularly care if the record companies are getting stiffed
>(which is sort of ironic given my viament position defending the
>artists) but I'd like to know that too. If the royalties are being
>paid, I suspect the artist is being shorted because of the reduced
>revenue (read = music company is taking reduced portion and giving the
>artist the leftovers).
>
>This should make for a decent article at ETM -IF- I can get people from
>the RIAA, IFPI and ROMS (assuming they have an interpreter) and any
>other organization involved to talk about the issue. I'll even give a
>couple of the major performers a call too and get their take on the
>situation.
>
>Like everybody else here, I don't like paying $15 for a CD, especially
>when it only has a few good songs. I'd certainly like to use AllofMP3
>because its cheap but I've refrained because of ongoing litigation.
>Imagine these headlines 'Audio Industry Professional Being Sued for
>Illegally Downloading Music'. Geez, I'd end up being the poster child
>for the RIAA.
>
>This may take a few weeks to put together but I'll do my best to get to
>the bottom of it.
>
>
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>Scott F.
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