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Badger
2006-01-08, 04:12
Hi,

Apologies for the dumb Q's, but I am just getting started and am having trouble with the basics of managing my music files.

Set-up: SB3, SS 6.2 (on P4), I-tunes

1st Problem:

So far I am in the exploatory stages. and have ripped a few CD's using I-tunes, however I am finding that I-tunes is putting songs randomly in different places. For example, if I rip one album, some songs show up as seperate albums on slim-server, in parallel to the album that the song comes from.

2nd Problem:

I have subscribed to 360 share, which appears to be excellent for downloading MP3's. However, once I have down-loaded the songs, I don't know how to store them. When you download music, they end up in a shared directory. I have tried creating a short-cut to that directory, but that's not really working. Also, if i copy all of the songs, and paste them into a new directory so I-tunes can look at them, they end up being poorly tagged, and creates a 'flat file of songs' with no particular order, which clearly is unmanageable with 1000's of songs etc.

If anyone can help, i'm looking for some really basic steps on how to get started, ie,

1. What s/w packages should I use
2. How to Rip
3. How to TAG/Manage
4. AS above for MP3's downloaded from the internet.

Many thanks for any help you can provide.....

Badger
2006-01-08, 04:29
Forgot to mention above, I have installed Slim server and I-tunes, and am on default settings, so I havn't configured anything to-date.

Mark Lanctot
2006-01-08, 09:04
--- Badger
<Badger.21bcjb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

> If anyone can help, i'm looking for some really
> basic steps on how to
> get started, ie,
>
> 1. What s/w packages should I use
> 2. How to Rip
> 3. How to TAG/Manage
> 4. AS above for MP3's downloaded from the internet.
>

Personally I wouldn't ever use iTunes. There are
heroic efforts underway to make it work with
SlimServer with sometimes limited success. IMHO
iTunes is the problem - it just likes to take over
systems and do things its own way, not caring about
how other software programs might interact with it.
It wants to do everything on its own and expects the
user to stop using anything else. I call that rude
software behavior in my book and classify it as
malware.

I use EAC for ripping and Mp3tag for tagging. EAC, in
particular, can be complicated and intimidating at
first but once you get it configured properly (there
are lots of guides on the net) it is far, far more
powerful than iTunes, and 100% accurate.

I used dBpowerAMP for a while. It's more
user-friendly than EAC but it does not make 100%
accurate rips and the MP3 encoder is on a 30-day licence.

ceejay
2006-01-08, 09:30
Personally I tend to agree with the suggestion not to use iTunes - unless you have an iPod you need to drive, I find it unhelpful software (though undoubtedly easy to use).

For some basic beginners suggestions try http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?BeginnersGuide

EAC and MP3tag work very well for me too.

I also use MusicMagic Mixer as a PC-based player if I'm not playing to a Squeezebox, or for generating interesting playlists (the latest version 1.5 looks like it could be an itunes replacement for many - not all - purposes)

Ceejay

Russell Mulcahy
2006-01-08, 09:58
I have just upgraded to an SB3 (very happy with that) and have now got
access to Squeezenetwork. The concept looks pretty good and might be the
seed of some serious market uniqueness for Slimdevices. The current
implementation, though might have have a missed a trick. Essentially,
the SB3 is either logged onto Squeezenetwork, or onto my server but
never both.

Wouldn't it be better if the box could (optionally?) use Squeezenetwork
for some things (such as the clock display and alarms) and stay logged
in to my local server? I could use the SB as an alarm, for example,
without having to leave my server on or explicitly log between
Squeezenetwork and my local server when I want to stream music.

Or perhaps there is some constraint here I don't understand?

Russell.

Siduhe
2006-01-08, 09:58
If you don't want to get a rip program with all the bells and whistles of EAC - I find audiograbber pretty good, easy to use and it's freeware.

Badger
2006-01-08, 10:01
Thanks for your comments Mark/Cejay.

I agree, I-Tunes seems to be making a mess of everything. From reading through all of these forums, it apears to be a common theme. Also, lots of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just downloaded the latter. I don't fully understand everything it does yet.

So my Q now is, being experienced users, how do you advise me to start (ie from scratch).

eg:

1. Rip CD's to MP3 using EAC/MP3tag etc to 1 place (my music?)
2. Organise/Tag and create play-list using Mood logic
3. Point Slim server to Mood logic
4. Same as above for downloading MP3's?

Cheers

kweller
2006-01-08, 12:00
In article <Badger.21bsqn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>, Badger wrote:
> Also, lots
> of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just downloaded the latter.

I downloaded and paid for Moodlogic some time ago and it was a complete
waste of money, Development seems dead, the on-line library had very few
tracks in that corresponded with anything I have and it failed to
identify just about everything despite all files being properly tagged.
Emails to the support email address received no reply.

MMM OTOH is an excellent piece of software that is actively being
developed and supported. The author is also very receptive to
suggestions. I kissed the money I spent on Moodlogic goodbye and happily
registered MMM; a decision I have never regretted.

Before you waste any time on Moodlogic you may like to have a look at MMM
(IMO of course).

Kevin

Mark Lanctot
2006-01-08, 22:07
EAC quickstart guide:
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/eac-qs-en.htm

In-depth guide:
http://users.pandora.be/satcp/tutorials.htm

Note the quickstart guide is newer and its suggestions
for MP3 arguments supercede those of the in-depth
guide.

But if you're ripping a CD, you should be ripping in
FLAC anyway. Reserve MP3 ripping for portable
devices.

There are many more tutorials that can be found using
google.

Mp3tag is simple enough that no tutorial is really
required. One hint though - remove ID3v1 tags and
only write ID3v2 tags. Otherwise entries will be
limited to 30 characters.

I don't use MoodLogic so I can't help there.

Regarding downloading MP3s, use Mp3tag to check and
correct tags. Be consistent so that SlimServer will
handle it consistently as well. Mp3tag makes
consistency easy since you can sort by field and make
mass changes.

--- Badger
<Badger.21bsqn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:

>
> Thanks for your comments Mark/Cejay.
>
> I agree, I-Tunes seems to be making a mess of
> everything. From reading
> through all of these forums, it apears to be a
> common theme. Also, lots
> of mentions of MMM and Moodlogic, so I have just
> downloaded the latter.
> I don't fully understand everything it does yet.
>
> So my Q now is, being experienced users, how do you
> advise me to start
> (ie from scratch).
>
> eg:
>
> 1. Rip CD's to MP3 using EAC/MP3tag etc to 1 place
> (my music?)
> 2. Organise/Tag and create play-list using Mood
> logic
> 3. Point Slim server to Mood logic
> 4. Same as above for downloading MP3's?
>
> Cheers
>
>
> --
> Badger
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