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Kyle
2006-01-02, 16:04
These two programs seem to do essentially the same thing. Are there essential differences? What are the pros and cons of each?

kdf
2006-01-02, 18:33
On 2-Jan-06, at 3:04 PM, Kyle wrote:

>
> These two programs seem to do essentially the same thing. Are there
> essential differences? What are the pros and cons of each?
>
MusicMagic has some sort of programmatic algorithm for combining
trackss.
MoodLogic uses user input describing the songs to create its database

MusicMagic is current and actively changing
MoodLogic has been on 2.7.1 for a year

MusicMagic has versions for OSX, Windows And Linux (including headless
options for latest version)
MoodLogic is windows only

Both cost, but I'm not sure what the pricing is now. Moodlogic, I
believe, you pay for song credits or you can send in your own input to
get credits.
MusicMagic is a one time cost.

MoodLogic, being unchanged has fairly consistent behaviour.
MusicMagic can sometimes have hiccups when versions change, as the API
does grow and shift

-kdf

ezkcdude
2006-01-02, 19:09
I just purchased Music Magic for $19.95, while MoodLogic is $39.95. I agree with everything you said.

treble
2006-01-02, 19:33
I have both Music Magic and Moodlogic. MusicMagic by far is the superior product. The Moodlogic mixes are pretty bad (unlike you like a lot of the same artist in your mix!).

sherington
2006-01-21, 09:05
One issue is the lousy support from MoodLogic - I posed a query on the 2nd December 05 .. they responded on 6th January 06!!

Otherwise, I agree with all the comments above .. I would also add that MoodLogic is NOT that stable at all .. constantly loses its database dll. Obviously, I am NOT going to bother their support people ...

Kyle
2006-01-21, 14:32
Thanks for the opinions. I bought MM without ever trying ML. I couldn't be happier with the way the program works. Lots of options for creating playlists. It's really opening up my collection for me. I think I've only played one album all the way through since I start using it, and that was one I might never have played at all if MM handn't put one of its tracks in a playlist.

zooropa320
2006-01-21, 21:20
another happy MM user here, full version primarily so I can archive to tags vs. having to keep them in their database, there's other good reasons to buy it as well

chris.mason
2006-03-14, 08:03
I'm just looking into this as well, as I've recently finished ripping all my CDs. I was under the impression that Moodlogic was able to generate playlists based on "mood" (the analysis of which is surely subjective, and based on user feedback), while music magic created playlists based on style of a chosen piece of music.

Those two things are different I would have thought.

Kyle
2006-03-14, 08:08
Music Magic can create a playlist based on one or more specific pieces of music, or you can use music to create a "mood", and the program will create a new playlist each time you ask based on any moods you have stored.

chris.mason
2006-03-14, 08:10
Really? Thats pretty cool - but again how does it understand "mood"? I really don't want to install both moodlogic and musicmagic.
JUst noticed that MusicMagic is now called MusicIP - is that right? If you go to the predixis web site you get redirected to MusicIp.com.

chris.mason
2006-03-14, 08:45
I've just installed the new music magic mixer - now called MusicIP Mixer (what a terrible name). Its version 1.6.

First thing I noticed is that the UI is pretty awful. Its also not documented well, and makes no mention of needing to pay for an upgrade to get all the features - you stumble on to that. Also I'm sure the previous UI looked better, unless I saw a different piece of software.

Siduhe
2006-03-14, 09:31
Chris,

Am I right in thinking that if you are a premium user of MusicMagic, you can't use that key to access the premium features of MusicIP ?

I like the idea of MusicBrainz integration a lot, but not sure if I like it enough to pay twice over.

chris.mason
2006-03-14, 09:35
Chris,

Am I right in thinking that if you are a premium user of MusicMagic, you can't use that key to access the premium features of MusicIP ?

I like the idea of MusicBrainz integration a lot, but not sure if I like it enough to pay twice over.

You got me, mate. Looks like Predixis have just had a major overhaul, and changed their name, and product image and branding. The new web site is so minimalist it has no information on it. Eventually when you find that your way to upgrading you are not told why - what do you get for your money. Its very obscure.

MeSue
2006-03-14, 13:58
Chris,

Am I right in thinking that if you are a premium user of MusicMagic, you can't use that key to access the premium features of MusicIP ?

I don't think so. I had a license key for MMM and I installed the MusicIP 1.6b2 version last night. I used my existing license key and all the Premium features are still there.

Anyway, 1.6 is still in beta right now, and since the name change the Web site is kind of confusing. If you haven't paid yet, you might look through the menus… there should be an option there to request a trial key. That'll give you 14 days of Premium features. Hopefully they'll get they Web site and version/pricing information straightened out by then.

Simon Still
2006-03-14, 14:07
I'm glad i didn't pay for a lifetime sub - the lack of information on that
site is wonderful, not least the failure of the redirect ot even work
properly.


On 3/14/06, MeSue <MeSue.24ogq01142370003 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:
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>
> Siduhe Wrote:
> > Chris,
> >
> > Am I right in thinking that if you are a premium user of MusicMagic,
> > you can't use that key to access the premium features of MusicIP ?
> >
> I don't think so. I had a license key for MMM and I installed the
> MusicIP 1.6b2 version last night. I used my existing license key and
> all the Premium features are still there.
>
> Anyway, 1.6 is still in beta right now, and since the name change the
> Web site is kind of confusing. If you haven't paid yet, you might look
> through the menus… there should be an option there to request a trial
> key. That'll give you 14 days of Premium features. Hopefully they'll
> get they Web site and version/pricing information straightened out by
> then.
>
>
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> MeSue
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> Sue
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ezkcdude
2006-03-14, 14:08
I'm glad I got MusicMagic when I did. I'm not even sure the new one is compatible with SlimServer. I hope the old version of MusicMagic is still able to analyze songs in the same way as before. It's really a great program. I don't understand why they messed with it so much.

Siduhe
2006-03-14, 15:02
Can confirm that the licence key for MusicMagic 1.5 works fine with MusicIP 1.6 but 1.6 doesn't integrate properly with Slimserver as yet.

I see the MM icon but when I trigger an instant mix, the playlist is empty.

Haven't noticed much of a difference between the two as yet, although the mixes produced are slightly different which is interesting - probably tightening up the algorithm ?

Agree with Ez that MM is a fab product when combined with SS though. Has really opened up my Music Library.

Simon Still
2006-03-14, 15:22
On 3/14/06, Siduhe <Siduhe.24ojqb1142373901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Agree with Ez that MM is a fab product when combined with SS though.
> Has really opened up my Music Library.


It is a great product - i just went and mixed something. However, the
interface is poor and it needs to run as a service in Windows.

Siduhe
2006-03-14, 15:27
You can set it up to run as a service without too much difficulty:

See the second post down here (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14320&page=2&highlight=musicmagic+startup). Agree it would be nice if it worked straight out of the box though.

kdf
2006-03-14, 16:24
Quoting Siduhe <Siduhe.24ojqb1142373901 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> Can confirm that the licence key for MusicMagic 1.5 works fine with
> MusicIP 1.6 but 1.6 doesn't integrate properly with Slimserver as yet.
>
>
> I see the MM icon but when I trigger an instant mix, the playlist is
> empty.
>
Make sure that the new MMM isn't requiring a fresh analysis of yoru
music. The API is exactly the same, and the integration is compatible
just as it was before. But, if hte slimserver db has already imported
mixer data and the new beta is reanalysing, then you will see
something as mixable, but MM will not be able to return a valid mix
until it is done it's processes.
-k

Siduhe
2006-03-15, 03:26
Make sure that the new MMM isn't requiring a fresh analysis of yoru
music. The API is exactly the same, and the integration is compatible
just as it was before. But, if hte slimserver db has already imported
mixer data and the new beta is reanalysing, then you will see
something as mixable, but MM will not be able to return a valid mix
until it is done it's processes.
-k

That's an interesting point - although my analysis is archived into my tracks, so the beta didn't do any new analysis on my tracks at all. I suspect you may be onto something though. It's probably because I have MM start as a service, then SS. Even though I killed both and started up MIP as a new service, I bet SS kept the references to MM (hence why it wouldn't mix). Will try diabling both services and doing a full manual startup.

Wirrunna
2006-03-15, 03:26
I downloaded 1.6 of Music/IP/Magic this morning after reading this thread (its still validating - only 7885 tracks left!).
The UI is quirky, but I quickly managed to generate a bunch of playlists that are great, I have to agree with all the earlier comments - this software puts the icing on the Squeezebox/Slimserver cake.

Siduhe
2006-03-15, 03:29
Anyone who is validating a large library via MM may be interested in this thread which talked about ways to get the process done as quickly as possible.

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21291

chris.mason
2006-03-15, 06:54
Wish I'd known about getting a trial license key. I wanted the slim integration, so I paid the the license. Still £11 is really not much to pay, especially if it turns out to be as good as everyone here thinks it is.

Currently, MIP is analyzing my music collection - its not very big - 2500 odd tracks (600 to go).

When I launch slimserver, and check the server settings from the web browser, I see the plugin is active, but I can't see the plugin or any option to access MIP mixes from SoftSqueese or in the web browser - what am I missing? Is it that analysis is still going on, or should I re-scan my music library or....?

Thanks!

Siduhe
2006-03-15, 06:58
You need to start MusicMagic before Slimserver, and (in MusicMagic) start the API service. Then start up and open Slimserver and you will see the MusicMagic options. The post I refered to above (start MM as server) tells you how to set this up so it happens automatically when you boot up your PC.

However AFAIK, you need to finish verifying your library first in MM before it will work in SS.

moby_uk
2006-03-15, 07:20
I'm curious about this application - sounds interesting. From following this thread it seems that MM is tightly bound to Windows. My set-up uses an XP client connecting to a SAMBA music collection hosted on Linus, which is where the Slimserver runs. Would Music Magic/IP work with this configuration?

llin
2006-03-15, 07:41
My set-up uses an XP client connecting to a SAMBA music collection hosted on Linus, which is where the Slimserver runs. Would Music Magic/IP work with this configuration?

Windows, Mac, and Linux versions exist. You could use the Windows version and point to the share or run the Linux version (GUI or headless) on the server.

More on the headless version: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?MusicMatchMixerHeadlessOnLinux

Siduhe
2006-03-15, 07:43
See also this thread - FairyLiquidizer is probably a good man to ask about the practical stuff...

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=21710&page=2&highlight=musicmagic