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jimcdenver
2005-12-13, 16:34
I am gifting my family with a pair of SB3s for Christmas. Our home is wired for audio (speakers) in various rooms from a central amp and I intend to put one of the SBs there at the amp. I plan to control the SB via a handheld using 802.11 wireless to Slimserver. Controlling the SB in the kitchen, dining room or patio will be a great improvement from the current need to walk across the entire house and select CDs.

I saw the link to Telcanto's software for Pocket PC. Any experience with this product? I also noted that you can supposedly control the SB without the Telcanto software, just by using the Handheld skin. Any experience with that? Any big plusses with the Telcanto software for $46?

Thanks.

netim3
2005-12-13, 17:13
Here's my experience -

Telcanto pros:

Much much faster than the handheld or v skins, especially with a large library.
Fits more onto a pocket PC screen than any of the skins
Better support for controlling multiple players and syncing players


Telcanto cons (apart from cost)

Often takes a month from a SlimServer release for an update version to be available - so you have to hold off upgrading the server
Doesn't yet integrate with MusicMagic, or with browser-based plugins such as Biography, AlbumReview

I almost exlusively use Telcanto, but now and then switch to explorer to use MusicMagic or read an artist Biography.

hope that helps

Natan

Michael Haan
2005-12-13, 18:20
I tried the handheld skin for awhile and, while passable, the telcanto solution is much better.













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Subject:  [slim] Controlling SB via Pocket PC
Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2005 15:34:56 -0800
>I am gifting my family with a pair of SB3s for Christmas. Our home is
>wired for audio (speakers) in various rooms from a central amp and I
>intend to put one of the SBs there at the amp. I plan to control the SB
>via a handheld using 802.11 wireless to Slimserver. Controlling the SB
>in the kitchen, dining room or patio will be a great improvement from
>the current need to walk across the entire house and select CDs.
>
>I saw the link to Telcanto's software for Pocket PC. Any experience
>with this product? I also noted that you can supposedly control the SB
>without the Telcanto software, just by using the Handheld skin. Any
>experience with that? Any big plusses with the Telcanto software for
>$46?
>
>Thanks.
>
>
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mherger
2005-12-14, 00:41
> Much much faster than the handheld or v skins, especially with a large
> library.

Is it fast right from the start or is there some lengthy initialization
(reading database etc.) done at startup?

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JulianL
2005-12-14, 03:06
You get the Pocket PC "hourglass" (spinning circle thing) for a few seconds when Telcanto first connects. On my system with 530 albums it takes maybe 5 seconds to download the library. Then when you do something in Telcanto you get the hourglass again but very briefly, so if for instance if I expand an artist to see all their albums then when I hit the "+" button in the library tree then there will be another 1-2 second delay while Telcanto downloads the data.

Telcanto seems to be fairly intelligent about caching however so if I have been browsing my library and then go to the "Queue" tab to look at the current queue then I will immediately see the queue as it was when I last looked (which means the indicator showing the currently playing track might now be out of date) so you get the hourglass for about a second while Telcanto updates the info on the currently playing track and then you'll see the incicator jump to the track that is now the currently playing track. If you then switch back to the Library tab to browse your library some more then there will be no delay at all, the tree will all be cached as it was when you last looked, and Telcanto will only need to pull more info from the server if you expand the tree at another artist at which point there is the same 1-2 second delay while Telcanto gets the extra info it needs to display that artists's albums.

I hope the above makes some sense but unfortunately unless you know the Telcanto interface it probably doesn't make total sense. I have to say that I agree with previous posters, Telcanto is much quicker than the handheld skin. I had "loss of service" from Telcanto when it broke with the SlimServer 6.2 revision so for a few weeks I was forced to use the handheld skin until Telcanto was updated and that really made me appreciate Telcanto and how much faster it is, especially when browsing your collection by artist or album.

My main complaints about Telcanto, which have all been voiced to the author, are:

1) It gets slightly confused if you use ARTISTSORT tags. Basically if you use the ARTIST tag for the more natural display name (e.g. "David Bowie") and use ARTISTSORT to enforce the correct sort order (e.g. "Bowie, David") then your artist list will appear in the order you expect (i.e. David Bowie appearing under the "B"s) but the alphabetic tabs at the top of Telcanto's Library screens will not function correctly. For me this is a significant irritation but not a show-stopper.

2) I use a Pocket PC dedicated to Telcanto so I would really like the ability to map hard buttons to important functions so that I could do a lot of stuff without needing the stylus.

Basically though, I definitely recommend it.

- Julian

mherger
2005-12-14, 03:29
> I hope the above makes some sense but unfortunately unless you know the
> Telcanto interface it probably doesn't make total sense.

It makes perfect sense, thanks.

> Basically though, I definitely recommend it.

If only I had a PocketPC :-).

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Yannzola
2006-01-11, 14:39
If only I had a PocketPC :-).


Maybe the fine folks at Slim Devices could send you one as a gift... especially if you commit to writing some cool SB related code for it.. ;)

mherger
2006-01-11, 14:51
> Maybe the fine folks at Slim Devices could send you one as a gift...
> especially if you commit to writing some cool SB related code for it..

I really work hard to convince them, but I'm not quite there, yet:
http://www.herger.net/slim/images/tmp/zaurus.png

But then... they will never be convinced to send me a PocketPC as long as
I make that stuff run on my Zaurus... :-)

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Sike
2006-01-12, 04:09
I'm also looking for a remote for my SB collection. I was thinking about a PocketPC, but most of them only have wireless B in them, and I don't want to bring my network down.

Has anybody used the Nokia 770 AND Telcanto?

The Telcanto updates coming out later than the Slim software is certainly a very big downside, but having it's own front end is great as my music collection is pretty big (40k+)

mherger
2006-01-12, 05:01
> I'm also looking for a remote for my SB collection. I was thinking about
> a PocketPC, but most of them only have wireless B in them, and I don't
> want to bring my network down.

Get yourself a cheap access point and create a separate music network. My
SBs are on their own network. I don't care about throughput in that part
while I'm connecteing my Zaurus (b only) to it.

> Has anybody used the Nokia 770 AND Telcanto?

I don't (living in Switzerland, too). But the difference is imho much less
in the device than the method used: while the 770 is using the web
interface, Telcanto is a native application.

> The Telcanto updates coming out later than the Slim software is
> certainly a very big downside, but having it's own front end is great
> as my music collection is pretty big (40k+)

Do you use it? I think they're currently reworking the backend from XML
(web) to CLI. This might further improve the experience.

BTW: where in Switzerland are you living?

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Sike
2006-01-12, 06:07
Mike: I'm currently in Geneva during the week and spend most of my weekends in Bern (where the Gadgets pile up) What about you?

A Zaurius ;) suprised you don't just want a command line! ;)

Admidtedly the Nokia 770 looks cooler, and there are not that many nice looking PDA's out there.

No I don't use all my music.. but one day I may want to listen to David Haselhof... again..

mherger
2006-01-12, 07:27
> Mike: I'm currently in Geneva during the week and spend most of my
> weekends in Bern (where the Gadgets pile up) What about you?

I've been living in Lausanne for a few years... and just moved to Bern a
few weeks ago :-)

> A Zaurius ;) suprised you don't just want a command line! ;)

I already have it: "telnet slimserver 9090"

> Admidtedly the Nokia 770 looks cooler, and there are not that many nice
> looking PDA's out there.

When I first read about the 770 I knew this would be my next gadget. But
well, Switzerland, at the world's end...

It's not mainly the cool look that's intriguing me, but rather the
display. And Opera on top of it. Who knows: by the day we can buy the 770
the programming system I'm currently tinkering with might be ported to it.
(http://tinyurl.com/dfrcg)

> No I don't use all my music.. but one day I may want to listen to David
> Haselhof... again..

Oh... what coming-out! :-)

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mikeb
2006-01-15, 13:05
Sike,

I'm using an iPAQ rx3115. It has replaced all my infrared remotes
with Pocket PC remote software, and controls all my squeezeboxes via
Internet Explorer. Personally Telcanto didn't do what I wanted at
all, so I made my own HTML interface based on Michael's Handheld.

The battery life on it is great and the look fairly good IMO. I
second Michael's thought of putting in a second AP. I have one for b
devices and one for g devices in my house. It was especially easy
since I already had the b to begin with.

I hope that helps.

-- Mike


Sike wrote:
> Mike: I'm currently in Geneva during the week and spend most of my
> weekends in Bern (where the Gadgets pile up) What about you?
>
> A Zaurius ;) suprised you don't just want a command line! ;)
>
> Admidtedly the Nokia 770 looks cooler, and there are not that many nice
> looking PDA's out there.
>
> No I don't use all my music.. but one day I may want to listen to David
> Haselhof... again..
>
>

mherger
2006-01-16, 00:58
> Personally Telcanto didn't do what I wanted at all

May I ask what you did expect it to do and how it failed?

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mikeb
2006-01-16, 21:36
Michael Herger wrote:
>> Personally Telcanto didn't do what I wanted at all
>
> May I ask what you did expect it to do and how it failed?

Honestly, I don't remember offhand. I do remember it being not very
good looking since I don't use album art. I also seem to remember
there not being a way to shut off showing album name since everything
is No Album for me. It could have been in the XML, but realistically,
creating a graphical HTML interface for free was more flexible for me
anyways.

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