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bglad
2005-11-30, 06:04
http://www.denguru.com/2005/11/30/squeezebox_for_in_home_music_distribution/
(sister site of Tom's Hardware)

generally very positive: "It is scary how much thought has been put into
making the Squeezebox a useful audio tool"

but he makes the point that the slimserver setup process is not very
intuitive if you have to go into the server setup area.... although these
setup pages are familiar to most of us, a useability expert would find
plenty to improve - anyone know a tame one?

he also complains about the process of adding songs to the playlist,
which looks like a misunderstanding - ie another user interface issue

the only other black mark is the rescan time... to me this is a HUGE
PROBLEM that should take priority over any new features

ceejay
2005-11-30, 06:14
try full url...

http://www.denguru.com/2005/11/30/squeezebox_for_in_home_music_distribution/

Ceejay

Aaron Zinck
2005-11-30, 12:01
It's nice that the review had a positive conclusion but I worry that all of
it's omissions and inaccuracies might turn folks away from the SB3. It
seems as though this reviewer never bothered to look at the manual or spend
any time with the SB3 as he was baffled even by how to properly cue music.
Ridiculous. I shot an email to the site mentioning all of the reviewer's
errors. Hopefully it gets corrected so that the SB3 can shine like it
deserves to.

mrfantasy
2005-11-30, 12:48
It seems the reviewer had badly tagged MP3s (which looked like they were downloaded from a p2p service judging by the obvious misspellings in the artist and song names) and he hadn't learned about browse artists, albums, genres or years. He did the same thing in his SB1 review.

Perhaps Slimserver is better with music you've ripped yourself that is accurately tagged (or filed) with album and artist info. But still, you'd hope a reviewer like this would at least identify the issue more clearly. Perhaps there are some limitations with badly tagged music that this shows, but you're then likely to have it with any networked music player.

radish
2005-11-30, 13:27
Well it is Tom's Hardware, they lost credibility a loooong time ago.

bglad
2005-12-01, 08:37
Has anyone done any usability testing on the slimserver web UI? If users
are making mistakes, especially the same ones, look to the UI not the
user

Let's help by trying it on some non-techie friends and reporting any
problems...



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> It seems the reviewer had badly tagged MP3s (which looked
> like they were downloaded from a p2p service judging by the
> obvious misspellings in the artist and song names) and he
> hadn't learned about browse artists, albums, genres or years.
> He did the same thing in his SB1 review.
>
> Perhaps Slimserver is better with music you've ripped
> yourself that is accurately tagged (or filed) with album and
> artist info. But still, you'd hope a reviewer like this
> would at least identify the issue more clearly. Perhaps
> there are some limitations with badly tagged music that this
> shows, but you're then likely to have it with any networked
> music player.
>
>
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bglad
2005-12-01, 08:43
agreed.... but who does RTFM and how many consumers last more than 10
mins with a new gadget before giving up?

for mass adoption, our favourite music player HAS to work quickly and
effortlessly out of the box

and without mass adoption, we'll all be using.... nooooooo!

> -----Original Message-----
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> Aaron Zinck
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> Subject: Re: [slim] a positive SB3 review
>
> It's nice that the review had a positive conclusion but I
> worry that all of it's omissions and inaccuracies might turn
> folks away from the SB3. It seems as though this reviewer
> never bothered to look at the manual or spend any time with
> the SB3 as he was baffled even by how to properly cue music.
> Ridiculous. I shot an email to the site mentioning all of
> the reviewer's errors. Hopefully it gets corrected so that
> the SB3 can shine like it deserves to.
>
>
>
>

Aaron Zinck
2005-12-01, 11:08
> for mass adoption, our favourite music player HAS to work quickly and
> effortlessly out of the box

It's a good point and there is probably a lot of room for improvement there.
There are still lots of very geeky things about the interface, the software
probably makes too many assumptions about your knowledge of the system and
its paradigms, and (through no real fault of the device or its software)
people are likely to be further disoriented by music-scanning idiosyncracies
that are exacerbated by the rogue, non-standard world of music tagging (v1
tags, v2, v2.1, etc...). That being said, I find the interface quite
usable, and it's interesting to me how many reviews I've read of the
squeezebox that specifically mention how *easy* the device was to set up.
In most of the comparisons I've read that's been a tick in the "pros" column
for the Squeezebox. So I'm prone to want to say that this reviewer is an
anomaly who did a particularly poor job of familiarizing himself with the
device.

NeilH
2005-12-01, 12:03
IMHO
The squeeze box is a tremendous peice of hardware. Unfortunately
it is largely accessed via Slimverver. A classic piece of
open source software written by techies for techies.
The user interface is poor as is the documentation.

A few examples :-

When I "browse music" why does "browse music folder" play songs
in a different order to "browse album" ?

Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ?
(I ended up running a grep on the perl modules to solve this one)

What on earth does the following mean ?
"Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be
listed under that band name or with the other artists for that
album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the
"album artist" in some software."

I have an extreme technical bias and still don't find using the
system intuitive.

An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
stop ?

radish
2005-12-01, 12:49
An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
stop ?
A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability. My Granny could give me a set of kintting needles for Christmas and I wouldn't have the first clue what to do with them, although of course she finds them trivially easy to use. I'd search in vain for the documentation telling me how to operate these needles, and then maybe go to some kintting forum complaining that this stuff should be easier for the non-Granny to pick up and use.

When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff.

Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read.


When I "browse music" why does "browse music folder" play songs
in a different order to "browse album" ?
Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches.


Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ?

Agreed - a list of tags read and their interpretation would be extremely useful.

Aaron Zinck
2005-12-01, 12:57
> What on earth does the following mean ?
> "Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be
> listed under that band name or with the other artists for that
> album. The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the
> "album artist" in some software."

are you asking a serious question here :) ? I think it's actually rather
self-explanatory if you read it slowly. But I get your point, there are
some rather bizarre feature descriptions in the software. And yet, what
other software even discusses a band tag? Isn't that the kind of thing many
of us love Slimserver for?


> An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
> granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
> stop ?

Not really a good measure of usability, if you ask me. I really don't think
the granny market is going to be a booming market for networked media player
devices no matter how easy they are to use. And my granny would use any
number of things as a doorstop. She would certainly relegate a computer to
doorstop duty yet there are millions of homes with computers. I don't mean
to nitpick because I know and am sympathetic to what you're trying to say,
but I don't really think that granny-acceptance is the level of usability
the squeezebox is shooting for. I really think the squeezebox is shooting
to fill a more sophisticated need than your standard Ipod or other
consumer-level equipment. It's a "prosumer" piece of home audio gear, if
you will. Sure, this means that not everyone will have one, but that's the
way it is for a lot of things out there. I'm all for improving the
interface as improvements can be made (no point in making things arbitrarily
difficult or obscure) but at the same time it's the power and the
flexibility of the device that makes it distinct and appealing.

Simon Still
2005-12-01, 13:02
On 12/1/05, radish <radish.1zdmtb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> > An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
> > granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
> > stop ?


The interface isn't bad but on my server PC, which sits in the kitchen,
strangers do seem to head to iTunes rather than trying to get slimserver to
work so there is definitely room for improvement.

The new search function helps a lot, particularly now it sits at the top of
fishbone by default.

Probably the area that does need most work is the settings pages. There are
some significant idiosyncracies with the organisation and how they work.
Admittedly, most people would be quite happy with the defaults and would
never change anything but some customisations really require a lot of
messing.

MusicMagic failed on me with the new install. The plugin was ticked, the
custom options were there, but the switch that had appeared that was needed
for the thing to actually work was buried in the first 'server settings'
page. I know many microsoft apps have equally deeply buried options but
this could be better.

kweller
2005-12-01, 13:17
In article
<708eebfb0512011202j4bf2ded3pb3af2ad3bcff0138 (AT) mail (DOT) gmail.com>, Simon
Still wrote:
> the switch that had appeared that was needed for the thing to
> actually work was buried in the first 'server settings' page.

Where? (asks someone who can't get it to work and can't find a setting
on the /server settings/ first page!)

Thanks.

Kevin

Michaelwagner
2005-12-01, 13:31
Granny's are not the universal measure of usability.
Neat quote!


Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know.
But there are laws and procedures to prevent you from entering a car without knowing how to drive. For instance, you can't buy or rent a car without showing a drivers license.


when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional.
Again, that's law, not UI design. Car manufacturers are mandated to design the CI (Car Interface) a certain way.



assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read.
I think a perfect way of doing this is 2 sets of docs, the first one just a few pages, called something like "getting started" and another one, for once you've played for a while and want to get more into it.


Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches.
Agreed.

Michael

Aaron Zinck
2005-12-01, 13:45
> > An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
> > granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
> > stop ?
> A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability.
> My Granny could give me a set of kintting needles for Christmas and I
> wouldn't have the first clue what to do with them, although of course
> she finds them trivially easy to use. I'd search in vain for the
> documentation telling me how to operate these needles, and then maybe
> go to some kintting forum complaining that this stuff should be easier
> for the non-Granny to pick up and use.
>
> When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a
> level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do
> not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already
> know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the
> manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional.
> Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically
> get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some
> quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people
> who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or
> already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff.
>
> Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it -
> but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a
> tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too
> high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it
> too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read.
>
> > When I "browse music" why does "browse music folder" play songs
> > in a different order to "browse album" ?
> Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI
> perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it,
> which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be
> customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully
> the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches.
>
> > Where do I find a definitive tagging guide for each music format ?
> >
> Agreed - a list of tags read and their interpretation would be
> extremely useful.
>
>
> --
> radish



Well written post, radish. And entertaining, too! I'm in full agreement.

bglad
2005-12-01, 14:19
i did a quick usability test on the initial use of the web UI...
detailed notes & quotes at the bottom

CONCLUSIONS
I got this much in a quick, partial test - there's plenty more to learn
- a straight-out-of-the-box test is needed. A poweruser will have
problems but they can figure them out; the UI badly needs attention for
the consumer market. I saw clear evidence of the denguru reviewer's
difficulty in starting out with playing songs. The UI is based on how
the tech works; it needs to be based on what the user wants to achieve.


RECOMMENDATIONS
A big link for new users on slimdevices.com home page

An initial wizard in the slimserver web interface
- tests all configs are ok
- informs user about scanning process and gives a status (refreshed
automatically)
- tells user what to do next (ideally leads them through core actions
like creating a playlist)
- optionally, walks user through some basic settings
- explain how the server will run whenever the computer is running; you
can close window; etc

Re-tag the Play and Add icon buttons in the lists to make them less
confusing and hard to understand

Make clickable links look clickable

Give better indication of where you are in albums/artists/etc

Rationalise the settings pages & make them fit in a window, etc etc
(lots to do here)

Add a Random button to the player UI that plays a random selection from
the playlist (or change the default setting...?)

The sbox UI should read "Press right to select Slimserver" not "Select
slimserver"

Try a UI closer to itunes, with a list of playlists on the left and an
easy browsing area on the right.


TEST SET-UP
The guinea-pig is in their mid-20s, plays music extensively from an
ipod, has a BSc in Computer Systems and works as an account manager in a
technical company; has never used a squeezebox or slimserver but knows
what they do and understands the underlying concepts.

I physically set up a squeezebox 2; the user had a computer with itunes
and a library of mp3s.


RESULTS
I told the user to "go to slimdevices.com and install the slimserver"

User went to slim home page; couldn't find the slimserver; went to
support tab and found download button. Installed slimserver easily and
selected location of music files ok [user is familiar with windows
installers].

Used Start button > all progs > slimserver to bring up slimserver
browser. User paused here - not sure what to do - then saw "still
scanning" text: "i need to wait. Does the size of the folder matter?"
[Note that this page doesn't refresh itself, so you wouldn't know when
scanning had stopped]

"i have no idea what to do now" - user looking at the slimserver home
page. [the squeezebox which i'd set up earlier was stuck at "can't find
slimserver"]

user clicked Help > Getting started and slowly figured out how to get
the squeezebox to find the slimserver: "is that the right right button?"
[on the remote control]

back to the slimserver UI: user clicked the current playlist's Download
button to get something to happen. Then clicked Browse Albums, drilled
all the way down to a song page (left pane), and clicked "Play" on the
Music Player (right pane) - no effect - then "play this song" link on
the song page

On the song page: "How do i get back to my album?" Clicked on the genre
listed on the song page and got a long list of albums

User then held mouse over play and add icons next to the albums: "What
does this button do?" - figured out first that the add button "saves the
song for later on the playlist" and play button "plays the song just for
now". With some experimentation, user figured out the difference.

User then tried to stack up some songs to play. After some clicking
around: "i can have all album or none at all", "they're individual
songs, oh no just albums", "you can only select individual tracks if you
go to albums, not artists", "That's really strange". User finally
realised that "unless i hover over an album i don't know it's a link, it
just looks like text like all the rest"

"That's a bit crap" when saw track names had track numbers added in
front [the default setting]

"Do you think random and shuffle are different?" - user wants to play
random songs from the play list all night but figured out by
experimenting that Shuffle just loops the same track order.. I told user
"There is a setting for this" - user found Player Settings, searched
(didn't like scrolling down the settings pages). "If you told me there
was a setting i'd tell you you were lying". Finally tried Server
Settings, then tried Behaviour and found the setting quickly. "There
should be a random button on the player"

"I don't know difference between server and player settings" [from
someone who project-manages server installations for small businesses]

"will the music stop when i close the window?" [from someone who knows
what a Windows Service is]

i asked whether the user preferred the slim UI or itunes: itunes,
because you have a list of playlists and you simply drag and drop the
tunes into it; browsing the tunes is easy

Dan Sully
2005-12-01, 14:23
* Ben Gladstone shaped the electrons to say...

>RECOMMENDATIONS
>A big link for new users on slimdevices.com home page
>
>An initial wizard in the slimserver web interface
>- tests all configs are ok
>- informs user about scanning process and gives a status (refreshed
>automatically)
>- tells user what to do next (ideally leads them through core actions
>like creating a playlist)
>- optionally, walks user through some basic settings
>- explain how the server will run whenever the computer is running; you
>can close window; etc

This is all great, and along the lines of what I had in mind.

A 'Getting Started' page on initial load - very clean, easy to find what to do.

I'll try to respond to more later - and I'm sure Dean will as well.

Thanks!

-D
--
<noah> the auto mechanic told me there was something wrong with my rear differential.
I told him I never took calculus.

ceejay
2005-12-01, 14:36
This is all great, and along the lines of what I had in mind.

A 'Getting Started' page on initial load - very clean, easy to find what to do.

I'll try to respond to more later - and I'm sure Dean will as well.



Which is not a million miles from what I had in mind when I posted... http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649

although the response so far has not been overwhelming.

Ceejay

NeilH
2005-12-01, 14:39
To help my (apparantly tired) Granny I would suggest
any "getting started" guide should avoid assumptions
as to knowledge of tags/mp3. She owns a Computer and
a big pile of CDs - How does a squeezebox make her
life perfect ?

Dan Sully
2005-12-01, 14:43
* ceejay shaped the electrons to say...

>Which is not a million miles from what I had in mind when I posted...
>http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=18649
>
>although the response so far has not been overwhelming.

Not a million miles - but slightly different.

First - let me say, Thank you! You've done a fantastic job on the Wiki - it's
definitely something that we've been lacking for a while.

My vision for a 'Getting Started' page when you first start SlimServer is
very simple and minimal with a few links. Linking to the Wiki Beginners Guide
is now definitely one of those links.

-D
--
<dr.pox> NO, NETBSD IS NOT REALLY BUILT WITH ELITE FORTRAN77!!@$#$

NeilH
2005-12-01, 15:10
A tired analogy - Granny's are not the universal measure of usability.

Neither are geeks - it is just an analogy, nothing more.


When writing documentation and designing interfaces there is always a level of assumed knowledge and experience - there has to be. Cars do not come with books telling you how to drive - it's assumed you already know. Likewise, when designing the interface for the car, the manufacturer is careful not to stray to far from the conventional. Computers do not come with operating instructions either, you typically get a piece of paper showing you how to connect the wires, and then some quick start guide to Windows XP. Really pretty useless for most people who are either completely new to the whole thing (what's a mouse?) or already know the basics and need to be told the more complex stuff.

Now I'm not saying the SlimServer UI/docs are perfect - far from it - but assuming a basic level of domain knowledge (what's an mp3, what's a tag) is perfectly fair - the trick is to get it right. Set the bar too high and you're flamed for being exclusive, or geek oriented, set it too low and you waste time writing docs which no one will read.


I agree that not straying from the conventional should be the target of the UI however i think that assuming all Squeezebox users will have a knowledge of MP3 and tags is a major mistake.
This is not the conventional for a large number of people.

The Slimdevices homepage states

"Squeezebox lets you easily access any song in your music collection, from any room in your home. It delivers pure digital sound without the hassle of shuffling through CDs."

So how do I take a pile of CDs and a PC and combine them ? The documentation really should tell me how.



Because one reads the tags and one doesn't. Personally, from a UI perspective, I think BMF is a mistake. I know lots of people love it, which is why it's there, but if the DB based browses could be customized to allow people to order things how they like then hopefully the need for BMF would vanish, and with it a lot of headaches.


I think you miss the point - This is the technical explaination.
It is not an explaination from the UI point of view.

Aaron Zinck
2005-12-01, 15:32
This is good stuff, Ben. People often gripe about the interface but rarely
offer suggestions. Kudos for bringing some real thoughtful and constructive
recommendations to the table and helping to make the player better.

danco
2005-12-01, 16:55
On 1/12/05 at 14:57 -0500, Aaron Zinck wrote
> > An easy measure of usabilty :- If you gave a squeezebox to your
>> granny for Christmas would she use it to play music or as a door
>> stop ?
>
>Not really a good measure of usability, if you ask me. I really don't think
>the granny market is going to be a booming market for networked media player
>devices no matter how easy they are to use. And my granny would use any
>number of things as a doorstop. She would certainly relegate a computer to
>doorstop duty yet there are millions of homes with computers. I don't mean
>to nitpick because I know and am sympathetic to what you're trying to say,
>but I don't really think that granny-acceptance is the level of usability
>the squeezebox is shooting for.

1. don't let's be ageist.

2. Assuming that one's granny is not a techie, the real question is
how well she can use it once you have set it up for her, and how
often she phones with problems.
--
Daniel Cohen

Michaelwagner
2005-12-01, 17:54
the real question is how well she can use it once you have set it up for her, and how often she phones with problems.
Works for more than just grannies. Parents, girlfriends ...

jhurley
2005-12-02, 03:36
In my mind (and a simple one it may be) a key element of SlimServer usability for new or unexperienced users is tagging. Specifically, allowing it to happen and making it reasonably simple.

Products like Musicmatch Jukebox, iTunes and SlimServer all allow users to view digitial music, which for most new users brings them quickly to a point where they realise they'll need to expend time and effort tagging and re-tagging their music files if this new view is to make any sense whatsoever.

The key difference between the 3 products I mentioned is that 2 have tagging built in and one doesn't, they even look up the information you need remotely when you insert the CD or ask them to do so.

Whilst it is OK for a certain group of users to say 'go and get a 3rd party tagging tool', it certainly isn't for some, or even most. Such a statement will raise questions like "where?", "how?" and "how much is it?".

Personally I couldn't live without my Squeezeboxes, and I use all 3 products for different reasons. Musicmatch is my chosen environment for tagging (over iTunes), probably because I've used it for longer.

dgovan
2005-12-05, 12:33
I've had my sb for a year now and I've got a lot of sympathy when the guy says the rescan needs attention. I've never got the hang of it (and yes my mp3 tags are fine). Add a few tracks ask for a rescan and nothing happens - ever. What had to be done before was clear the cache, now clear library and start again just for adding a few tracks. In my experience that can take 5-6 hours. Even harder is just changing an mp3 tag then you've got to move the track to another part of the drive, change the tag then move it back and rescan as above. I've seen other guys with itunes to a rescan in 10 seconds. Why does slim have to thrash away for hours?

Michaelwagner
2005-12-05, 12:44
Why does slim have to thrash away for hours?
Well, I'm not sure it "has to". And in fact, on many configurations, it doesn't. I have 8500 tunes and it takes half an hour for me to rescan them all. Mind you, I still think that's 25 minutes too long, but the point is, no one seems to really understand why some people have scan times that are an order of magnitude longer than others.

There also seems to be a bug in 6 where it's supposed to find small changes without doing an entire rescan, but it doesn't seem to work right.

Can you please tell us about your configuration? What processor, how much memory, what operating system, what sort of disks, how many tracks?

Thanks.

dgovan
2005-12-05, 13:01
Can you please tell us about your configuration? What processor, how much memory, what operating system, what sort of disks, how many tracks?

Thanks.

I have about 3500 tracks in 417 folders (1 per album). 60gb disk with about 5gb taken up with these folders and 17gb free. 512mb ram on xp home. Processors about 2500 if I remember right. In the past people have advised not using folders but I couldn't work that way. It's rescanning now, being going for an hour now with no sign of the added tracks appearing. They will eventually though judging by past experience.

Dan Sully
2005-12-05, 13:06
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>I have about 3500 tracks in 417 folders (1 per album). 60gb disk with
>about 5gb taken up with these folders and 17gb free. 512mb ram on xp
>home. Processors about 2500 if I remember right. In the past people
>have advised not using folders but I couldn't work that way. It's
>rescanning now, being going for an hour now with no sign of the added
>tracks appearing. They will eventually though judging by past
>experience.

What version of SlimServer? Do you have any Windows shortcuts?

-D
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dgovan
2005-12-05, 13:18
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What version of SlimServer? Do you have any Windows shortcuts?

I'm using 6.1.1 - no don't have any shortcuts - all files are in the music folder.

Mark Lanctot
2005-12-05, 13:24
He meant are there any shortcuts to other files in
these directories?

These shortcuts cause scanning problems if they
reference a file already in the database or if
they reference a file that doesn't exist. Certain
builds after 6.2.1 will recognize these shortcuts
and ignore them.

You may think you don't have any, but the Windows
UI makes it easy to make one by mistake.

You can find them by sorting files by type.

dgovan wrote:
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> What version of SlimServer? Do you have any Windows[/color]
shortcuts?
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> I'm using 6.1.1 - not sure what you mean by windows
shortcuts - yes is
> the answer if you mean icon on desktop?
>
>

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Dan Sully
2005-12-05, 13:27
* dgovan shaped the electrons to say...

>What version of SlimServer? Do you have any Windows shortcuts?
>
>I'm using 6.1.1 - not sure what you mean by windows shortcuts - yes is
>the answer if you mean icon on desktop?

By Windows Shortcuts I mean .lnk files - which point to another directory.

Often, they are accidentially set to point to a directory higher in the tree
than they are, creating a circular reference. Earlier versions of SlimServer
would get caught in an infinite loop. Version 6.2.1+ doesn't have this
problem.

I suggest that you upgrade.

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dgovan
2005-12-05, 14:05
Thanks I don't have any links that I know of but it always feels like I am in a loop. I'll upgrade and see if that makes any difference. (Last upgrade I did made this all worse when it removed the "clear cache" option.)

Thanks anyway.

Michaelwagner
2005-12-05, 18:12
I have about 3500 tracks in 417 folders (1 per album). 60gb disk with about 5gb taken up with these folders and 17gb free. 512mb ram on xp home. Processors about 2500 if I remember right.
That's *way* too long. Something is broken, like the link loops alluded to earlier. I have a 1.4GHz processor, windows 2000, 512MB, takes about half an hour for almost twice that many tracks.