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mecouc
2005-11-27, 04:56
I just decided to get a second Squeezebox only to find that they've changed shape! Am I right that all Squeezebox 2s in the UK have gone now? Cooltopia were supposed to have some, but they're not listed. Multitask computing list them, but say they're unavailable if you try to order.

Alas, the version 3 is just the wrong shape to go where I want to put it.

I'll start watching Ebay...

I can only congratulate Slimdevices on what must be a popular product as demand seems to exceed supply - unless it's just a uk distribution problem.

Orb
2005-11-27, 07:00
I just decided to get a second Squeezebox only to find that they've changed shape! Am I right that all Squeezebox 2s in the UK have gone now? Cooltopia were supposed to have some, but they're not listed. Multitask computing list them, but say they're unavailable if you try to order.

Alas, the version 3 is just the wrong shape to go where I want to put it.

I'll start watching Ebay...

I can only congratulate Slimdevices on what must be a popular product as demand seems to exceed supply - unless it's just a uk distribution problem.

Slim devices have created an excellent product but their distributions leaves a lot to be desired if you ask me. I've been trying to buy a SB2 for the best part of as month. I'm considering giving up.
As for the SB3, I find it odd that production of the SB2 has stopped. I could understand if the SB3 had major new features but really the only difference is cosmetic. I'd question the logic in changing the design of a very popular product within a year of its release. The cost of manufacturing a new design must have been significant. I think the SB3 is ok but not worth an extra 50. Could it be that SD are just jumping on the band wagon of exploitation of its most loyal customers?

Fifer
2005-11-27, 07:39
It's a little unfair to suggest that the distribution channel is inadequate because you cannot source what is now a superseded product. It may be more reasonable to question why the SB3 was introduced so quickly after the SB2, although the obvious answer would be to address the common criticism that the SB1 and 2 looked like radio alarms and out of place with the look of most A/V equipment. I'm not aware that there are any significant issues with distribution of the current product line other than that demand for black outpaced supply at launch, but that's not really a distribution issue.

I've bought two SD products from what was at the time the current product range and found no difficulty in sourcing them. I don't anticipate any problem when I eventually succumb and buy an SB3. I suspect I might be chapping though, if I decided I wanted an SB2 but I'd probably find myself in a similar situation if I wanted to buy a superseded Sony product too.

EDIT: The majority of the differences between the SB2 and SB3 are cosmetic, but not all. The PSU has been redesigned and all antennae are internal now. A function button (can't remember what now) has been added to the remote control too. There might be more, but I don't recall right now.

Are SD exploiting their most loyal customers? I doubt you'd get much support for that statement around here. The new model launched a year after the first and retails at the same launch price. That doesn't strike me as exploitation.

Jim
2005-11-27, 07:42
I think the SB3 is ok but not worth an extra 50.

I presume you're talking $ because Slim obviously has no say how much the box sells for from anyone other than them. The prices of the SB2 went down $50 just before SB3 launch if I remember correctly. That is the SB3 is the same price the SB2 used to be.


A function button (can't remember what now) has been added to the remote control too.
FavoUrites

Orb
2005-11-27, 09:20
Well, I see SB2 going for around 130 and SB3 going for around 180. 50 for a new design. The psu/antenna improvements mean nothing to me and certainly not 50.

I take your point about the SB2 looking like an alarm clock but my point is, why introduce a product that is extremely popular and within less than a year completely change its look and stop manufacturing the old design?
I find it an odd decision. It must cost a lot of investment to do this and I could understand it if the SB3 was a major hardware improvement on the SB2 but as it stands it isn't.

My comment about exploitation may have been rather harsh but judging from many people around here who will buy anything SD put out, it seems to me SD knew this.
I just find it odd thats all. I wouldn't have expected the SB3 to be out until next year, maybe late summer fall next year. I would have thought the SB3 would be massively upgraded from the SB2. I guess this is now the domain of the SB4.

I still stand by my comment about distribution and will do until I can buy a SB from somewhere like Amazon. SB is an amazing product but most people have never heard of it. Shit, just about every one for sale on ebay comes with the selling point 'rare item'.
And you'd feel my frustration if you have been trying to buy a SB2 for the last month only to be told, "we don't ship here, we don't ship there, we will ship to you but the shipping is going to cost the price of a grand piano, we don't have them in stock but you can have the new one that looks more like a playstation for an extra 50".

As a consumer, I'm not interested in excuses. I just want to go to Amazon.co.uk, pay my money and have the item here within 48 hours. Simple as that.

audiofi
2005-11-27, 09:30
When the SB2 came out, it was also 180, it is only cheaper now because it is at the end of its lifespan.

In a similar way the Netgear MP101 was over 100 new, dropped to 70 within 6 months and now is available for 50, same hardware, but once a product is discontiuned, prices drop and that is what you are seeing with the SB2. Same thing with the X-Box at the moment.

In a year or two, the SB3 will probably drop in price in the same way, but as demand is outstripping supply at the moment you pay rrp.

Andrew

pfarrell
2005-11-27, 09:49
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 08:20 -0800, Orb wrote:
> My comment about exploitation may have been rather harsh

Just a tad to my ears


> Well, I see SB2 going for around 130 and SB3 going for around 180. 50
> for a new design. The psu/antenna improvements mean nothing to me and
> certainly not 50.

I think you are looking a little too short term. The price
of every SqueezeBox has come out at about the same price.
Over time, the price is cut, and typically there is a price cut
to clear out stock before the next cooler one comes out.

The SB1/G came out at the same price as the SB1, with cool new features.
The SB2 came out at the same price as the SB1 and SB1/G with tons
of cool new features. The SB3 looks like a real piece of stereo
and has come minor new features at the same price as the SB1, SB1/G and
SB2.

This is exactly what most of the electronics vendors do. Intel and AMD
are the most obvious examples, Their top product always costs $1000,
and over a few years, it costs $50, as several generations of
cooler faster things are released.

I personally don't prefer the SB3 over the SB2. My main SqueezeBox
is behind a glass door and you can't see anything but the display.
But the space in my cabinet is limited. Being taller is bad for me.
I'm looking for a Low Rider SqueezeBox before I buy another.

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Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

ultra238a
2005-11-27, 10:08
We currently have a number of black and platinum wireless Squeezebox 2's left in stock at 199.99 with free delivery.

If anybody would like to purchase one of these (or a couple) they are more than welcome to call us on 0871 871 9747 to place an order.

The stock we have is available on a first come first served basis.

Regrads

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

Jim
2005-11-27, 10:12
...Squeezebox 2's left in stock at 199.99...

Two hundered quid!? Is this now classed as collectors :D

pfarrell
2005-11-27, 10:35
On Sun, 2005-11-27 at 09:12 -0800, Jim wrote:
> ultra238a Wrote:
> > ...Squeezebox 2's left in stock at 199.99...
>
> Two hundered quid!? Is this now classed as collectors :D

The definition of price is what a seller under no compunction
to sell will offer it to a buyer with no compunction to buy.
Once it gets up to 300 quid, Sean will start issuing the "golden
commemorative edition"

If ultra is smart enough to control a collectible, cool.
The folks with boxes of NOS (new old stock) tubes
(valves to you brits) are making a fortune to audiophiles.

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Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

Mark Lanctot
2005-11-27, 10:42
Jim wrote:
>
> Fifer Wrote:
>
>>A function button (can't remember what now) has been
added to the remote
>>control too.
>
> FavoUrites
>
>

....which is also on the late-production SB2
remotes because the remotes are identical.

My SB2 purchased a month ago came with a remote
that had the Favorites button. Which is another
name for FavoUrites, as you point out. It was
grEy in coloUr. ;-)

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Mark Lanctot
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ultra238a
2005-11-27, 10:48
:) We didn't pay any less for these than we used to pay pre-SB3 so why should we sell them for less. People still want them over the SB3 so if you want one you know the price. We only have about 5 of each now anyway.

Regards

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd