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jonheal
2005-11-06, 08:40
My wife's getting me a v.3 SqueezeBox for Christmas. In the meantime, I have been using Softsqueeze.

I have replaced all of the straight quote marks in my ID3 tags with proper curly quotes. In the SlimServer web interface, they are rendered correctly. In Softsqeeze, however, they are rendered as question marks (i.e. Don?t Drag Me Down).

The SqueezeBox isn't gonna do this, is it?

JJZolx
2005-11-06, 09:39
My wife's getting me a v.3 SqueezeBox for Christmas. In the meantime, I have been using Softsqueeze.

I have replaced all of the straight quote marks in my ID3 tags with proper curly quotes. In the SlimServer web interface, they are rendered correctly. In Softsqeeze, however, they are rendered as question marks (i.e. Don?t Drag Me Down).

The SqueezeBox isn't gonna do this, is it?
What do you mean by "proper" curly quotes? What was wrong with the standard quote mark?

Michaelwagner
2005-11-06, 09:47
I only know of one single quote. There are 3 double quotes, 1 straight, and 2 curly (one to "open", one to "close"), but I don't know of any other single quotes than this one ''''''

jonheal
2005-11-06, 09:48
If one comes has a writing or editing background, the sight of "fake" quotes and apostrophes used in place of “real” quotes and apostrophes tends to make one’s skin crawl.

pfarrell
2005-11-06, 09:49
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 08:39 -0800, JJZolx wrote:
> jonheal Wrote:
> > I have replaced all of the straight quote marks in my ID3 tags with
> > proper curly quotes.
> What do you mean by "proper" curly quotes? What was wrong with the
> standard quote mark?

What do you mean standard quote marks? The usual computer
keyboard/display marks used for quotes (" and ') are actually
the feet and inch marks. They are not quotes in English. which are
supposed to curl towards the quoted text. The French use << and >> for
the same thing. Look at any newspaper or magazine, they do it
properly.

On typewriters and 1960s vintage computers, there wasn't room or
technology for proper quotation marks, so people learned to live
with ugly and improper inch and feet marks. But it is so wrong.
And now that all computers have bit mapped displays, there is no
reason for being typographically illiterate.

Proper quotes are only the beginnings. We have to stop out the
totally wrong style of putting two spaces after periods (full stops
to our Bristish friends). We have to stop using a hyphen when
we mean em-dash.

And we have to stop using Times Roman, an ugly, smashed up
and totally not posh font.


--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

Michaelwagner
2005-11-06, 10:01
So what's the answer? Does the hardware render an apostrophe properly? Open and close double quotes?

pfarrell
2005-11-06, 10:15
On Sun, 2005-11-06 at 09:01 -0800, Michaelwagner wrote:
> So what's the answer? Does the hardware render an apostrophe properly?
> Open and close double quotes?

Which hardware?

I would guess that the SliMP3 and non-G SB1s do fake quotes/apostrophe
as well as any other fixed font computer gear. The SB1/g and 2s and 3s
are bit mapped, they can do it when proper character to glyph mapping
software. Just like any other Unicode characters. Its really
a software question for the recent Squeezeboxen.

Should be trivial to test for those interested.

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

kdf
2005-11-06, 12:41
On 6-Nov-05, at 9:01 AM, Michaelwagner wrote:

>
> So what's the answer? Does the hardware render an apostrophe properly?
> Open and close double quotes?
>
>
SB2/3 support unicode character display via truetype fonts. It can
display chinese, cyrillic (that I've seen so far). My guess is that
would also work for unicode curly quotes. The instructions are in the
forum:

http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=15573

-kdf

Dan Sully
2005-11-06, 12:53
* jonheal shaped the electrons to say...

>My wife's getting me a v.3 SqueezeBox for Christmas. In the meantime, I
>have been using Softsqueeze.
>
>I have replaced all of the straight quote marks in my ID3 tags with
>proper curly quotes. In the SlimServer web interface, they are rendered
>correctly. In Softsqeeze, however, they are rendered as question marks
>(i.e. Don?t Drag Me Down).
>
>The SqueezeBox isn't gonna do this, is it?

These quotes are in the UTF-8 range, which to display on SlimServer, one must
install a TrueType Unicode font in the SlimServer Graphics directory. Please
see the Wiki for more information.

http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?UnicodeFonts

-D
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Off the record, on the QT, and very hush-hush.