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Richie
2005-11-04, 07:02
Just in case there's anyone here who is interested in this as a
SqueezeBox remote, it looks like Nokia have started shipping in
Europe.

See here:

http://direct.nokia.com/Countries.aspx?u=/Product.aspx?model=770

and more info here:

http://nokia770.com/

Richard

bklaas
2005-11-04, 08:53
this kills me it's not available in the U.S. I've been jonesing for this thing as my squeezeboxen kontroller ever since I posted this thread way back when: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14419

If anybody gets their hands on one of these, please post to the thread with impressions, both overall and slimserver-specific.

#!/ben

Victor Brilon
2005-11-04, 15:46
I have one. And yes, it kicks ass as a Slim remote :)

Victor

On Nov 4, 2005, at 9:53 AM, bklaas wrote:

>
> this kills me it's not available in the U.S. I've been jonesing for
> this
> thing as my squeezeboxen kontroller ever since I posted this thread
> way
> back when: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14419
>
> If anybody gets their hands on one of these, please post to the thread
> with impressions, both overall and slimserver-specific.
>
> #!/ben
>
>
> --
> bklaas
>

Robin Bowes
2005-11-04, 16:41
Victor Brilon said the following on 04/11/2005 22:46:
> I have one. And yes, it kicks ass as a Slim remote :)

I am soooo tempted by one of these...

I am also soooo poor at the moment, so I'll resist for now.

R.
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Victor Brilon
2005-11-04, 17:58
I had posted these earlier, but I'll do it again in case you missed
them. These are screenshots of browsing on the 770 in full-screen
mode using the WebPad skin:
http://victorland.com/slimp3/1.jpg
http://victorland.com/slimp3/3.jpg
http://victorland.com/slimp3/3.jpg

Victor

On Nov 4, 2005, at 5:41 PM, Robin Bowes wrote:

> Victor Brilon said the following on 04/11/2005 22:46:
>> I have one. And yes, it kicks ass as a Slim remote :)
>
> I am soooo tempted by one of these...
>
> I am also soooo poor at the moment, so I'll resist for now.
>
> R.
> --
> http://robinbowes.com
>
> If a man speaks in a forest,
> and his wife's not there,
> is he still wrong?
>
>

Robin Bowes
2005-11-05, 01:10
Victor Brilon said the following on 05/11/2005 00:58:
> I had posted these earlier, but I'll do it again in case you missed
> them. These are screenshots of browsing on the 770 in full-screen mode
> using the WebPad skin:
> http://victorland.com/slimp3/1.jpg
> http://victorland.com/slimp3/3.jpg
> http://victorland.com/slimp3/3.jpg

Resist, resist, resist...

:)
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Fifer
2005-11-05, 06:01
Victor, how responsive is it, particularly when using artwork?
Is it practical to browse by artwork? Does it work well with plug-ins like Biography and Album Review?

Resistance is futile ...

mherger
2005-11-05, 07:35
> Does it work well with plug-ins like Biography and Album Review?

The plugins are browser independant. And they include a Handheld skin as
well. Should work fine.

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Victor
2005-11-05, 10:14
To be honest, it's a little slow right now when browsing by artwork. *BUT* my 770 still has R&D software flashed onto it so that is to be expected.

Sometime next week I'll get production software loaded on there and see how that behaves. By all accounts that should be faster to render large amounts of artwork.

radish
2005-11-05, 12:26
The Webpad skin is a little plain - how do the others look (I'm thinking of handheld or touchscreen)?

Dan Sully
2005-11-05, 12:32
* radish shaped the electrons to say...

>The Webpad skin is a little plain - how do the others look (I'm thinking
>of handheld or touchscreen)?

The Webpad skin has actually been removed from 6.2 as it was no different than the 'EN' skin.

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dwc
2005-11-05, 12:35
this kills me it's not available in the U.S. I've been jonesing for this thing as my squeezeboxen kontroller ever since I posted this thread way back when: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=14419

If anybody gets their hands on one of these, please post to the thread with impressions, both overall and slimserver-specific.

#!/ben

http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/133/2/
Nokia USA Will Ship the Nokia 770 November 10

Victor
2005-11-05, 13:33
The Webpad skin is a little plain - how do the others look (I'm thinking of handheld or touchscreen)?

I'll load up the production/consumer version of the software sometime in the next week or two and take screenshots of both of those as well.

GoCubs
2005-11-05, 21:56
http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/133/2/
Nokia USA Will Ship the Nokia 770 November 10

Oh I'm excited... oh I'm excited... now I won't have to make a special trip to the UK for one...

Oh I'm excited...

radish
2005-11-07, 08:22
I'll load up the production/consumer version of the software sometime in the next week or two and take screenshots of both of those as well.

That would be great - thanks.

Neil Sleightholm
2005-11-08, 07:30
I just receive mine and it looks quite good as a SqueezeBox controller. I think it is going to need it's own skin though. The "Touch" and "Handheld" are ok but I think they would need to be optimised for the screen size.

Neil

Fifer
2005-11-08, 07:35
Neil, I presume that's a production version with the latest firmware you have? Can you tell us if it is slow browsing Slimserver artwork? Also, do applications take a while to load? (This was a criticism of pre-production review machines which has hopefully been resolved in the latest release).

Neil Sleightholm
2005-11-08, 10:55
Speed is subjective but I would say it is fast enough, it is what I was expecting and compares to my PDA. Apps load in a few seconds and the browse artwork loads in 5 or 6 seconds (handheld skin).

Neil

danco
2005-11-08, 11:08
On 8/11/05 at 09:55 -0800, Neil Sleightholm wrote
>Speed is subjective but I would say it is fast enough, it is what I was
>expecting and compares to my PDA. Apps load in a few seconds and the
>browse artwork loads in 5 or 6 seconds (handheld skin).

So how would you comapre the Nokia (price and functions) with a PDA?
How about the Palm Lifedrive (or whatever the new thing is called)?

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Fifer
2005-11-08, 11:51
Thanks Neil, I suspect I'll be ordering one this weekend. Just the small matter of moving house between then and now ...

Any other observations or opinions on the Nokia? Is it as good as you hoped?

Neil Sleightholm
2005-11-08, 13:05
My initial reaction is good. It is smaller than I thought but the screen is exceptionally clear, much better than my PDA. I don't it will be really useful until I sort out a decent skin - until then it won't get spouse approval!

Neil

Fifer
2005-11-09, 05:20
Nokia UK are now out of stock with an estimated two week delay before receiving the next batch.

JJZolx
2005-11-09, 09:54
My initial reaction is good. It is smaller than I thought but the screen is exceptionally clear, much better than my PDA. I don't it will be really useful until I sort out a decent skin - until then it won't get spouse approval!
Isn't the screen 800 pixels wide? I would have thought one of the standard skins would work fine in that format.

Richie
2005-11-09, 10:04
> Isn't the screen 800 pixels wide? I would have thought one of the
> standard skins would work fine in that format.
>
>
> --
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>
> Jim

I also received mine yesterday. You're right, the screen is 800 pixels
wide but they're very small pixels. The screen is only 90mm (3.54")
wide, so it could really use a dedicated skin with larger fonts. As a
comparison, my LCD monitor has just over twice as many pixels but it's
nearly five times wider. Maybe it's possible to increase the font size
in the handheld skin.

Richard

mherger
2005-11-09, 10:54
> Maybe it's possible to increase the font size
> in the handheld skin.

Can't the browser zoom pages?

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Richie
2005-11-09, 11:18
> Can't the browser zoom pages?
>
> --
>
> Michael

It can, and it does work very well. I just thought it would be nicer
to look at if it the text was easy to read with everything fitted on
the screen. Sometimes when changing players it means moving from one
side of the screen and back again. I know that sounds really lazy :)

Would changing the font size in the skin be something simple I could try myself?

Richard

mherger
2005-11-10, 04:47
> Would changing the font size in the skin be something simple I could try
> myself?

You might want to change the font-size values in Handheld/slimserver.css.
Increase them from eg. 10 to 12.

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Richie
2005-11-10, 10:47
> You might want to change the font-size values in Handheld/slimserver.css.
> Increase them from eg. 10 to 12.

Thanks, that's made it look much better. I had to take it up to 20 to
get it to look right.

Richard

mherger
2005-11-10, 11:03
> Thanks, that's made it look much better. I had to take it up to 20 to
> get it to look right.

Could you please upload a screenshot? Would like to know how it looks on
the Nokia (which is still not even announced to be available in
Switzerland :-().

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Neil Sleightholm
2005-11-10, 11:44
Thanks, that's made it look much better. I had to take it up to 20 to get it to look right.Yes 20 looks ok. I think I might have a play with the touch skin and resize that.

Michael, I would post a screen shot but I don't know how to! Anyone else know?

Neil

Richie
2005-11-10, 12:43
> Michael, I would post a screen shot but I don't know how to! Anyone
> else know?

No idea. I think I read on another forum that something had to be
installed to do it. I'll see if I can take a couple of photos later
this evening.

Richard

Victor Brilon
2005-11-10, 13:24
On Nov 10, 2005, at 12:44 PM, Neil Sleightholm wrote:
>
> Michael, I would post a screen shot but I don't know how to! Anyone
> else know?
>
> Neil
>

Is your software the commercial version or an R&D version? If it's
the latter there's an Xterm installed. If it's not, poke around
maemo.org site and I think someone has posted a screenshot utility
they've written for it.

Victor

Richie
2005-11-10, 15:17
> Could you please upload a screenshot? Would like to know how it looks on
> the Nokia (which is still not even announced to be available in
> Switzerland :-().

I've taken a few photos, which can be seen here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/15399507@N00

Richard

mherger
2005-11-10, 15:25
> I've taken a few photos, which can be seen here:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/15399507@N00

Excellent! Did you change the slimserver.css file to increase font size?

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Richie
2005-11-10, 15:31
> Excellent! Did you change the slimserver.css file to increase font size?

Yes, I increased it to 20. I think it looks pretty good now. I just
need to create some larger icons for play, add etc. and I think it'll
be almost perfect for me. Thanks for your help.

Richard

fuzzyT
2005-11-10, 16:10
Richie wrote:

> I've taken a few photos, which can be seen here:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/15399507@N00

Thanks. Do these shots show the original font sizes, or the larger
sizes after the tweak?

Richie
2005-11-10, 16:14
> Thanks. Do these shots show the original font sizes, or the larger
> sizes after the tweak?

They all show the larger sizes after the tweak.

Richard

Richie
2005-11-11, 11:07
Michael,

I tried resizing the gifs in the images folder, to make the icons for
play, add etc. a little larger but it didn't make any difference. Are
they resized in the html somewhere?

Thanks

Richard

mherger
2005-11-11, 13:35
> I tried resizing the gifs in the images folder, to make the icons for
> play, add etc. a little larger but it didn't make any difference. Are
> they resized in the html somewhere?

Yes, there are quite a few places where there size is hard coded :-/.

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spetras73
2005-11-17, 09:02
but since you guys have a 770.

does it support WPA security? I can't use my Sony Clie because it only does WEP...

GoCubs
2005-11-17, 09:07
but since you guys have a 770.

does it support WPA security? I can't use my Sony Clie because it only does WEP...
Sure does...

I still have not gotten my hands on one though. I pre-ordered one via the USA site, however, they still have not shipped (supposed to start shipping in the USA today)...

-Greg

bklaas
2005-11-17, 09:14
Don't count on them shipping today. Grapevine says at best they ship tomorrow, at worst another 7-10 days. I don't think Nokia was prepared for the demand on these things.

Pre-ordered mine on Monday...fighting an overwhelming urge to refresh my order status page every 5 minutes...

#!/ben

spetras73
2005-11-17, 09:27
Sure does...

I still have not gotten my hands on one though. I pre-ordered one via the USA site, however, they still have not shipped (supposed to start shipping in the USA today)...

-Greg

Thanks for the quick answer. Gotta find some cash.... ;)

Victor
2005-11-17, 11:23
I had the good fortune to chat earlier this week with the guy who is responsible for the US sales of the 770. He assured me they're trying like hell to ship these things out quickly, and they're making pretty good progress apperantly with it. So if you've ordered one and it hasn't shown up, be patient, should be very very soon :)

Milhouse
2005-11-19, 09:21
but since you guys have a 770.

does it support WPA security? I can't use my Sony Clie because it only does WEP...

Yes it does - I have mine (am in the UK) hooked up to a WRT54GS using WPA-PSK. WPA2 is also supported.

hunta
2005-12-02, 06:52
Can anyone give an idea of start-up times? To be used as a remote, you really want instant-on. What are the options for this?

Thanks guys. V jealous!

bklaas
2005-12-02, 09:34
I haven't received mine yet (pre-ordered Nov 14th...waiting...waiting...waiting), but my understanding that it boots very quickly. If you are coming out of standby mode, it's effectively instant-on.

After I get my grubby paws on this gadget, I am hoping to start some involved discussions on using the 770 with Slimserver. I'm anticipating diving into some development for it...probably starting with a custom 770 skin.

#!/ben

Jacob Potter
2005-12-02, 09:53
On 12/2/05, bklaas <bklaas.1zf8gb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> After I get my grubby paws on this gadget, I am hoping to start some
> involved discussions on using the 770 with Slimserver. I'm anticipating
> diving into some development for it...probably starting with a custom
> 770 skin.

Something like this?

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/1229/sc25to.png

I've been playing around with 770 development a bit as well. The basic
status readout works (players, title/artist/album), as well as
prev/play/pause/next controls and volume. It uses SlimProto to
automatically find the server. Browse, playlist control, etc. isn't
there yet, obviously :)

Is anyone here good at UI layout? I don't think it's my strong point...

How long this takes to be finished (if it happens at all) directly
depends on how much free time I have, so no promises.

(I don't have a 770 yet either, but there's a very nice
cross-development platform, http://www.maemo.org/. It uses a nesting X
server and a chroot environment.)

- Jacob

bklaas
2005-12-02, 10:02
very cool, Jacob.

I wouldn't call myself a UI pro, but I do spend a lot of time on UI-related issues, so maybe I'll be able to help on that front.

The maemo development environment looks pretty cool...I can't see myself spending a minute of time on it until I get my 770 though...necessity breeds innovation...

Richie
2005-12-02, 10:44
> Can anyone give an idea of start-up times? To be used as a remote, you
> really want instant-on. What are the options for this?

Start up time from off is quite long, more than a minute. However, the
standby mode is very efficient and in practice there is no need to
turn it off, other than for the occasional reboot. In standby, from
the time I click the screen until I can see the slimserver web page is
approx. 20 seconds.

Richard

danco
2005-12-02, 11:12
On 2/12/05 at 08:34 -0800, bklaas wrote
>I haven't received mine yet (pre-ordered Nov
>14th...waiting...waiting...waiting), but my understanding that it boots
>very quickly. If you are coming out of standby mode, it's effectively
>instant-on.
>
>After I get my grubby paws on this gadget, I am hoping to start some
>involved discussions on using the 770 with Slimserver. I'm anticipating
>diving into some development for it...probably starting with a custom
>770 skin.

No-one has yet explained to me: Why?

That is, what are the advantages (and disadvantages) of the Nokia 770
as compared with a PDA.

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bklaas
2005-12-02, 13:49
On 2/12/05 at 08:34 -0800, bklaas wrote[color=blue]
No-one has yet explained to me: Why?

That is, what are the advantages (and disadvantages) of the Nokia 770
as compared with a PDA.



My reasons, which obviouly are subjective, are the following:

#1. Much higher resolution screen (800x400) than any PDA I know of
#2. Open source, open source, open source
#3. Landscape display more friendly to Slimservin'
#4. I'd take an embedded Linux device over a PDA OS any day

I also expect it will be better (or, since it is open source, someone will make it better) at streaming mp3s and vids (someone has already ported VLC) than any PDA ever will. I plan on using the 770 as a squeezebox remote, but also as a player, streaming slimserver...

GoCubs
2005-12-02, 13:51
No-one has yet explained to me: Why?

That is, what are the advantages (and disadvantages) of the Nokia 770
as compared with a PDA.

Advantages:
1.)Open source
2.)Linux under the covers.
3.)"Real" web browser.
3.)Much higher resolution screen compared to normal PDAs.

Disadvantage:
1.) No idea when Nokia is actually going to ship it to US residents.
2.) Only 64mb of RAM (quickly used up if multi-tasking)
3.) No built-in microphone (would be useful for future voip apps).
4.) Version 1

-Greg

JJZolx
2005-12-02, 13:58
No-one has yet explained to me: Why?

That is, what are the advantages (and disadvantages) of the Nokia 770
as compared with a PDA.
I've been pondering that one as well. Comparing the Nokia 770 with a Dell Axim: The Nokia 770 has a higher resolution screen than most PDAs. The Nokia 770's screen resolution is 800x480 pixels. The newest high-end Dell Axim, at $400+, is 480x640, while the lower end and all previous models are just 240x320.
The Nokia can do 802.11g, while the Axim only does 802.11b.
The Axim seems a lot more versatile in the applications that it can run. The Nokia can do basic "webish" stuff - browse web sites, view PDA documents, view and answer email, etc. I have no idea how extensible this is, though.

bklaas
2005-12-02, 14:28
one other thing that is a worry to me about the 770...it's *right-handed*. I'm hoping that some enterprising southpaw developer finds away to put the display upside-down and remap the up/down/left right buttons...otherwise I see myself being very frustrated juggling stylus and button pushing with my left hand.

fuzzyT
2005-12-02, 14:35
GoCubs wrote:

> Advantages:

Similarly to our beloved music players, one of the key advantages is
that it is on an open platform, is therefore highly extensibile, and has
already attracted a hacker cadre.

Also, with Bluetooth connection pairing to a device on a high speed
wireless carrier network (EDGE, etc.) you don't have to be tied to WiFi
locations.

> Disadvantage:
> 3.) No built-in microphone (would be useful for future voip apps).

I believe the 770 does have a built-in microphone.

see:
<http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2005-June/000315.html>

Also remember that it is Bluetooth and USB enabled, so any missing
peripheral can likely be attached by these means. Plenty of Bluetooth
headsets available.

--rt

jimdibb
2005-12-02, 14:38
I have an Axim X50v so I can add a little.

The screen is really nice, 480x640, can be used landscape or portrait, left
handed or right handed. I don't know how big the 770 screen is but the axim
is 2.5 in. x 3.0 in. With that much resolution, having a bigger screen is
important or you can't read it anyway as someone else pointed out.

It is b only but that shouldn't be an issue for control, unless you're
worried about the effect on your network as a whole. It also has bluetooth,
2 expansion slots (SD and CF), speaker, mic, 624 mhz processor and 3d
graphics accelerator.

On 12/2/05, bklaas <bklaas.1zfm3z (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> one other thing that is a worry to me about the 770...it's
> *right-handed*. I'm hoping that some enterprising southpaw developer
> finds away to put the display upside-down and remap the up/down/left
> right buttons...otherwise I see myself being very frustrated juggling
> stylus and button pushing with my left hand.
>
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Fifer
2005-12-03, 06:20
It is b only but that shouldn't be an issue for control, unless you're
worried about the effect on your network as a whole.
... or security, 'b' doesn't support WEP, does it?

EDIT: I'm waiting for my 770 to arrive, December sometime hopefully. Can any owners advise on whether screen-protectors are necessary and if so, available?

jimdibb
2005-12-03, 09:31
It does support wep and WPA even. The security level is not a function of
the wireless speed.

On 12/3/05, Fifer <Fifer.1zgubn (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> > It is b only but that shouldn't be an issue for control, unless you're
> > worried about the effect on your network as a whole.
> ... or security, 'b' doesn't support WEP, does it?
>
> EDIT: I'm waiting for my 770 to arrive, December sometime hopefully.
> Can any owners advise on whether screen-protectors are necessary and if
> so, available?
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GoCubs
2005-12-03, 11:17
I believe the 770 does have a built-in microphone.

see:
<http://maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2005-June/000315.html>

Also remember that it is Bluetooth and USB enabled, so any missing
peripheral can likely be attached by these means. Plenty of Bluetooth
headsets available.

Interesting. I had previously seen discussion the other way and don't recall seeing information on it in the manual. I'll have another look.

Yeah I know you could easily add one via usb or via a headset, but it's nice to have an option if don't feel like lugging around/charging/etc 5 other devices...

Still anxiously awaiting mine...
-Greg

Fifer
2005-12-04, 04:07
It does support wep and WPA even. The security level is not a function of the wireless speed.
My double bad; I meant to say only supports 'WEP', not doesn't' as I (wrongly) believed WEP to be part of the 'b' spec and WPA to be part of the 'g' spec. I now know better ...

Tim K
2005-12-05, 13:40
One concern with Bluetooth is that NOT all bluetooth phones are capable of the type of data connection required for connecting an internet device. In fact, I was just looking at the specs of all the Verizon Wireless phone (my carrier) and only 3 phones are data bluetooth capable and two of them are treo's (which sorta defeats the purpose).

Tim K
2005-12-05, 13:44
Disadvantage:

2.) Only 64mb of RAM (quickly used up if multi-tasking)


-Greg

I believe that this is a RS-MMC slot (reduced size multimedia card). If that is true you should be able to purchase cards that hold 512mb-1GB.

shermoid
2005-12-05, 13:50
greetings all,

i just got off the phone with the nokia order center, inquiring about my 770 order, which was placed november 2, 2005.

the new release date is second week on january, 2006. let me repeat that in "internet screaming" mode: NONE OF US WILL GET OUR NOKIA 770's UNTIL SECOND WEEK OF JANUARY, NEXT YEAR, AT THE EARLIEST. :( :( :(

this will be the first and last product i ever order from nokia, bitchin' little device or not. there is no better way to get and keep a customer p/o'd than to make them wait for product.

-sherm

GoCubs
2005-12-05, 13:51
Although the 770's preordered via Nokia weeks ago won't ship for a while, the 770 can now be bought at some CompUSAs. I got sick of waiting and bought one today in Chicago. It's $399.99 though... (but I was gonna pay for next day air via Nokia so it's not that off).

You can do a "quick" check of stock via this URL:
http://www.compusa.com/products/availability.asp?product_code=336223&stores=1&pfp=browse&zip=60148
Change the last digits to your ZIP code.

If a store shows some availablity call the direct to make sure. Most employees don't even know they have them. The store I went to had 2...

Enjoy
-Greg

Fifer
2005-12-06, 03:12
I placed my order with Nokia UK on 21st November and they were indicating December shipment. I called them this morning and they are still promising December, but cannot/will not be more specific.

GoCubs
2005-12-06, 07:14
I believe that this is a RS-MMC slot (reduced size multimedia card). If that is true you should be able to purchase cards that hold 512mb-1GB.
Yeah, there's a RS-MMC slot. I actually got an extra 1GB in there right now. However, I believe that's just for storage space (files). From what I've read there's only 64MB of free ram for executing applications (web browsing, etc.). This memory gets used up quickly if running multiple applications or browsing complex web sites.

-Greg

bklaas
2005-12-06, 13:03
hands-on review on gizmodo
http://us.gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/nokia-770-handson-141288.php

btw- the update blurb at the bottom of the page about disgruntled 770 pre-order customers was the result, at least in part, of an email by yours truly to Gizmodo. I figure the only way to make Nokia quit doing stupid stuff like this is to try to help publish as much bad press as possible. (or you could go on and on and on about libel and fraud and stuff in online forums ;) )

Milhouse
2005-12-07, 20:36
Disadvantage:
1.) No idea when Nokia is actually going to ship it to US residents.
3.) No built-in microphone (would be useful for future voip apps).


1) Available now in CompUSA!

3) It does have a microphone - it's the small hole next to the power charger socket.

Milhouse
2005-12-07, 20:47
I have an iPAQ hx4700 with 640x480 screen, which is very nice but spoiled by the fact that the PocketPC platform does not properly support VGA mode and most software is still designed to run pixel-doubled which effectively means the resolution is still 320x240. Hacks are available to force apps to run in native VGA resolution, but this usually results in unwanted side effects.

And to cap it all, there is not one single half-way decent web browser available for the PocketPC platform - PocketIE is a joke, NetFront 3.2 is barely useable but Minimo is at least getting there (maybe another 6 months and it will be good).

I've had a 770 since 6 Nov and it wipes the floor with my hx4700 when used for web browsing. The 770 also has a better audio player than the hx4700, however the hx4700 has more horsepower and consequently is a better video player - the 770 struggles with 25fps video and can't currently display videos greater than 352x208. Hopefully this will improve in time but not holding my breath.

As the 770 is designed as an internet tablet I'm not holding it's video shortcomings against it as it does the job it's designed to do superbly. The screen has to be seen to be believed - it's amazing, and Opera is a very good browser.

Grahame
2005-12-07, 21:26
I succumbed and picked up one the two remaining 770's at my local CompUSA.

I have to say, I do indeed like it.

I now have a browser bookmark pointing to my local slimserver/Handheld - (use handheld skin)

I've modified the .css file to make the text 20 point.

Voila! one cool, wireless, squeezebox controller. Pah! who needs Sonos.

I've also added a bookmark to local slimserver/stream.mp3
and now I can stream my flac collection as 320Kbps mp2's to the 77O's built in audio player. It sounds pretty good through my cheapy Sennheiser HD201's (only $16.95 from amazon at the moment).

Alien BBC is just a plus.

So now I can surf the web, and listen to my favourite tunes, in a portable in-house style.

So Slimserver + wireless router + 770 = audio with no visible boxes in living area == high WAF

slimserver + wireless router + 770 + headphones = portable surf + sounds.

All this, and it plays DOOM!
http://www.internettablettalk.com/software/fileinfo.php?id=21
what more does a geek need.

Grahame
2005-12-07, 21:28
I've also added a bookmark to local slimserver/stream.mp3
and now I can stream my flac collection as 320Kbps mp2's to the 77O's built in audio player. It sounds pretty good through my cheapy Sennheiser HD201's (only $16.95 from amazon at the moment).


Of course, I meant 320Kbps mp3's.

bklaas
2005-12-09, 09:48
one other thing that is a worry to me about the 770...it's *right-handed*. I'm hoping that some enterprising southpaw developer finds away to put the display upside-down and remap the up/down/left right buttons...otherwise I see myself being very frustrated juggling stylus and button pushing with my left hand.

wow, check this out...somebody's already working on the left-handed thing--
http://lemody.blogspot.com/2005/11/xrandr-o-2.html

gotta love that.

Also got word that NokiaUSA finally shipped my Nov 14th order. Really looking forward to playing with this thing, esp. as a ridiculously expensive Slimserver remote! ;)

jackaninny
2005-12-09, 16:09
ordered on nov 15th - i too, am looking forward to my most expensive of remote controls for my squeezebox army