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Paul Runyan
2005-10-26, 02:16
Great work, I think the new SB looks great.

Now that the SB is so thin from front to back it shouldbe possible to mount it on a wall without having to recess it into the wall. I presume that the stand ca be removed without a hacksaw. Are there any plans for a wall-mounting bracket?

Thanks,

- Paul

jackaninny
2005-10-26, 10:19
with the plugs on back you're not going to get a really flush fit but i can think of several situations where that's not a requirement

seanadams
2005-10-26, 10:46
Something like this would help get it closer to the wall:

http://www.trianglecables.com/q-121.html

cparker
2005-11-29, 15:27
I'm just in the final stages of attaching my SB3 to a wall for the bathroom. To help I've created a template for the back of the SB3, which I printed out and then traced on to the wall to aid with mounting.

Once cut out the device should then slide into the wall with the wires discretly hidden behind it, a piece of wood slotted into the bar behind (inside the wall) should then hold it in place.

Thats the plan anyway, find out this weekend when I finish my careful carving ;)

Not sure if it will be any help to anybody, obviously its best if you can gain access from above and inside the wall, but then you need that to pull the cables :)

Should be attached to this msg. Visio 2003 file, you can download a viewer from Microsoft if you need one

Good Luck

abdomen
2005-11-29, 19:34
I'm just in the final stages of attaching my SB3 to a wall for the bathroom. To help I've created a template for the back of the SB3, which I printed out and then traced on to the wall to aid with mounting.

Once cut out the device should then slide into the wall with the wires discretly hidden behind it, a piece of wood slotted into the bar behind (inside the wall) should then hold it in place.

Thats the plan anyway, find out this weekend when I finish my careful carving ;)

Not sure if it will be any help to anybody, obviously its best if you can gain access from above and inside the wall, but then you need that to pull the cables :)

Should be attached to this msg. Visio 2003 file, you can download a viewer from Microsoft if you need one

Good Luck
I'm sure folks (okay I) would be interested to see a photo when it's all done.

cparker
2005-12-06, 15:43
See attached picture, I mounted the SB3 on the wall at the weekend whilst the wife was decorating the Christmas tree :)

Took about 30-45mins. I printed out the template, cut out the dark area and then traced this on to the wall. Then put masking tape around the edges to protect the wall, and then using a Stanley knife and careful patience, cut the hole. Finishing with a Rasp.

SB3 slotted in beautifully, I didnít in the end use anything behind it to hold it in place, the wall is plaster and lathes, and the lathes held it perfectly in place, cable tied all the leads together and then up into the attic space.

A DIY job that worked out very nicely and no nasty surprises for once!

For reference this is my complete kit list;

Ceiling speaker - £36.37
http://www.impactaudio.co.uk/product.asp?ref=550

No experience with ceiling speakers so nothing to compare against, but this works fine and handles deep bass ok without distortion.
Note I donít turn it up extremely loud, itís the bathroom not the front room! ;)

Acoustic Solutions SP101 Amplifier - £60 from Argos
http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92

Cheapest amp I could find, and is ok, does the job. Has 6 phono inputs available, I have it balanced at 23.75db.

Speaker Cable Ė 42 Strand x 25Metres - £15
http://www.aqsound.com/store/en/view_product/34/94/


SB3 Ė Expensive and stung by Customs and Excise for tax :(

abdomen
2005-12-07, 06:57
See attached picture, I mounted the SB3 on the wall at the weekend whilst the wife was decorating the Christmas tree :)

Took about 30-45mins. I printed out the template, cut out the dark area and then traced this on to the wall. Then put masking tape around the edges to protect the wall, and then using a Stanley knife and careful patience, cut the hole. Finishing with a Rasp.

SB3 slotted in beautifully, I didnít in the end use anything behind it to hold it in place, the wall is plaster and lathes, and the lathes held it perfectly in place, cable tied all the leads together and then up into the attic space.

A DIY job that worked out very nicely and no nasty surprises for once!

For reference this is my complete kit list;

Ceiling speaker - £36.37
http://www.impactaudio.co.uk/product.asp?ref=550

No experience with ceiling speakers so nothing to compare against, but this works fine and handles deep bass ok without distortion.
Note I donít turn it up extremely loud, itís the bathroom not the front room! ;)

Acoustic Solutions SP101 Amplifier - £60 from Argos
http://www.acousticsolutions.net/product.asp?ID=92

Cheapest amp I could find, and is ok, does the job. Has 6 phono inputs available, I have it balanced at 23.75db.

Speaker Cable Ė 42 Strand x 25Metres - £15
http://www.aqsound.com/store/en/view_product/34/94/


SB3 Ė Expensive and stung by Customs and Excise for tax :(
That looks really good! Well done!

Dave
2005-12-07, 11:13
VERY jealous.....

ceejay
2005-12-07, 11:18
Just make sure you don't drop the remote in the bath!!

Ceejay

koen
2005-12-15, 04:58
Hi,

I'm very impressed by your bathroom sb3 installation and it's persuaded me to put ceiling speakers in all rooms upstairs.

I bought a last year's model a/v amplifier which basically gives me a six channel power amplifier to run three squeezeboxes from
(six analogue inputs going to six speaker outputs).

There's a myriad of ceiling speakers about though and I have trouble deciding which ones to go for. Is there a particular reason you went for the visaton one? You mentioned you didn't have any experience with ceiling speakers, by what made you decide to buy Visaton?

regards,

Koen.

DrNic
2005-12-15, 13:57
I bought a last year's model a/v amplifier which basically gives me a six channel power amplifier to run three squeezeboxes from
(six analogue inputs going to six speaker outputs).

Koen.

I'm intrigued by this thought...
Unless your A/V amp is setup to do this (and it may be - it's been a while since I researched new AV amps!) I was under the impression that although you have a potential 6 mono-amps in the box - routing individual inputs to specific speaker outputs was impossible?!
Generally the "surround" amp sections are only addresses by the DSP in most amps aren't they?
Just curious!

Nic

PS: KEF do a lovely range of ceiling/flush mount speakers...

Mark Lanctot
2005-12-15, 14:23
Most receivers have "external analog inputs".
Some have 6 (i.e. 5.1) channel, some have 8 (7.1).
Note the sub input can't be used in either case
since it does not pass through an amplifier.

If you set your receiver to EXT. IN mode and pass
analog sound from SBs to the external ins, yes,
you could connect 2 (for 6-channel ext. in) or 3
(for 8-channel ext. in) SBs - remember you can't
use the sub input.

Then you use the appropriate amp sections for
amplified output.

The receiver will provide elementary volume and
maybe tone controls in this mode but nothing else.
The DSP is bypassed so no processing can be
performed in this mode.

DrNic wrote:
> koen Wrote:
>
>>I bought a last year's model a/v amplifier which
basically gives me a
>>six channel power amplifier to run three
squeezeboxes from
>>(six analogue inputs going to six speaker outputs).
>>
>>Koen.
>
>
> I'm intrigued by this thought...
> Unless your A/V amp is setup to do this (and it may
be - it's been a
> while since I researched new AV amps!) I was under
the impression that
> although you have a potential 6 mono-amps in the box
- routing
> individual inputs to specific speaker outputs was
impossible?!
> Generally the "surround" amp sections are only
addresses by the DSP in
> most amps aren't they?
> Just curious!
>
> Nic
>
> PS: KEF do a lovely range of ceiling/flush mount
speakers...
>
>

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Mark Lanctot
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koen
2005-12-15, 15:01
As Mark described I'm going to use the analogue inputs of the receiver rather than any of the digital inputs.

I had in fact overlooked that I can't use the sub input on the 5.1 analogue inputs. but as I was planning on one room doing mono anyway that doesn't really matter.

On that note, what is a cheap solution to mix the left and right signal of a squeezebox into a mono signal? I had originally thought of wiring both outputs together but our electronics engineer at work questioned my sanity (you can't short outputs end of story).

Regards,

Koen.

DrNic
2005-12-15, 15:24
Most receivers have "external analog inputs".
Some have 6 (i.e. 5.1) channel, some have 8 (7.1).
Note the sub input can't be used in either case
since it does not pass through an amplifier.

If you set your receiver to EXT. IN mode and pass
analog sound from SBs to the external ins, yes,
you could connect 2 (for 6-channel ext. in) or 3
(for 8-channel ext. in) SBs - remember you can't
use the sub input.

Then you use the appropriate amp sections for
amplified output.

The receiver will provide elementary volume and
maybe tone controls in this mode but nothing else.
The DSP is bypassed so no processing can be
performed in this mode.

Mark Lanctot
___________________________________

Yeah, you basically clarified what I thought. You have little control of the "extra" stereo pair generated when using the Rear L/R section (5.1 amps) of an A/V amp; rudimentary volume (limited steps) if at all.
But I guess the volume control on the SB can do the work!
Interesting idea though, for multi-room on a shoe-string, particularly as end-of-line/second hand A/V amps are cheap!

Nic

radish
2005-12-15, 17:23
On that note, what is a cheap solution to mix the left and right signal of a squeezebox into a mono signal? I had originally thought of wiring both outputs together but our electronics engineer at work questioned my sanity (you can't short outputs end of story).


Well I've done exactly that a number of times with no ill effect, just using a cheap mono/stereo adapter from radio shack. I haven't noticed a problem, but if in doubt go with what the expert says!

Mark Lanctot
2005-12-15, 17:25
Actually using the external ins, you have full
volume control over the SL/SR, equally the same as
everything else. You may or may not have tone
control. You might have some balance controls.

But you made me realize that the volume control
will be one big master for all amplification. So
yes, it would be better to use the SB volume
control, and since you're using the analogue
outputs you won't lose anything.

Note that all 5.1- and 6.1-receivers have
6-channel external inputs by definition. But *not
all* 7.1-channel receivers have 8-channel external
inputs (some have 6-channel), so it would be best
to check.

As a bonus, you can still use the DAC in the
receiver if you want. If you have a *main* room
that you listen to your SB in, connect your SB
digitally as well as analog to the external in.
Put the receiver in STEREO or DIRECT mode. The
main room speakers will work just fine and the
other speakers will remain silent. You can also
set the receiver to ALL CHANNEL STEREO mode to
have all the speakers output the same material in
stereo this way.

For anyone wondering, the external inputs are
legacy connections designed for outboard Dolby
Digital or DTS decoders that fell out of favour 10
years ago. Now they are for SACD/DVD-A that
cannot be sent via S/PDIF.

DrNic wrote:
> Mark Lanctot Wrote:
>
>>Most receivers have "external analog inputs".
>>Some have 6 (i.e. 5.1) channel, some have 8 (7.1).
>>Note the sub input can't be used in either case
>>since it does not pass through an amplifier.
>>
>>If you set your receiver to EXT. IN mode and pass
>>analog sound from SBs to the external ins, yes,
>>you could connect 2 (for 6-channel ext. in) or 3
>>(for 8-channel ext. in) SBs - remember you can't
>>use the sub input.
>>
>>Then you use the appropriate amp sections for
>>amplified output.
>>
>>The receiver will provide elementary volume and
>>maybe tone controls in this mode but nothing else.
>>The DSP is bypassed so no processing can be
>>performed in this mode.
>>
>>Mark Lanctot
>>___________________________________
>
>
> Yeah, you basically clarified what I thought. You
have little control
> of the "extra" stereo pair generated when using the
Rear L/R section
> (5.1 amps) of an A/V amp; rudimentary volume
(limited steps) if at
> all.
> But I guess the volume control on the SB can do the
work!
> Interesting idea though, for multi-room on a
shoe-string, particularly
> as end-of-line/second hand A/V amps are cheap!
>
> Nic
>
>

--
___________________________________


Mark Lanctot
___________________________________

koen
2005-12-16, 03:29
This amp is going to live in the attic so I won't have access to volume or tone controls. I will just have to find a good level to set the volume at so that I have enough dynamic range for all three squeezeboxes using the internal volume.

Koen.

Aaron Zinck
2005-12-16, 09:29
> Note that all 5.1- and 6.1-receivers have
> 6-channel external inputs by definition.

If you're talking about 5.1 and 6.1 external *analog* inputs, then this is
not actually entirely true. While it's now quite uncommon to find receivers
without full multi-channel analog inputs, this hasn't always been the case
with budget receivers. For instance, I had a Kenwood VR-307 at one point
which didn't have 5.1 external inputs. So if you're looking to do this, be
sure you get one with multi-channel external inputs.

Mark Lanctot
2005-12-16, 10:01
Oh yes, you're right.

I guess what I meant was that *if* a receiver has
multichannel external analog ins, if it's a
5.1/6.1 receiver, it won't have 8-channel ins. :-)

But yes, not all receivers have multichannel
external analog ins. A lot do, but not all.

Aaron Zinck wrote:
>>Note that all 5.1- and 6.1-receivers have
>>6-channel external inputs by definition.
>
>
> If you're talking about 5.1 and 6.1 external
*analog* inputs, then this is
> not actually entirely true. While it's now quite
uncommon to find receivers
> without full multi-channel analog inputs, this
hasn't always been the case
> with budget receivers. For instance, I had a
Kenwood VR-307 at one point
> which didn't have 5.1 external inputs. So if you're
looking to do this, be
> sure you get one with multi-channel external inputs.
>
>
>
>
>
>