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seanadams
2005-10-24, 16:47
We are pleased to introduce the third-generation Squeezebox. This is a new design created by Fred Bould, an internationally renowned California designer of cool, modern products. The new form is beautiful, combining brushed aluminum, solid steel, and highly polished surfaces.

Also, we've added support for native WMA playback, automatic volume leveling, WPA2 security, and beautifully detailed Asian characters. SlimServer 6.2 is available for download now - look for the release notes on the downloads page to see all of the updates.

Come take a look and learn more at http://www.slimdevices.com

Best wishes,

Sean Adams
CEO, Slim Devices

PS. If you have a friend who's been waiting to take the leap, please consider our "100 Off 2" code - details are on the home page.

tass
2005-10-24, 17:15
Looks awesome...
Now I just need an excuse to upgrade

Well done guys

NikonUser
2005-10-24, 17:16
Is there anything different in the hardware (internally) compared to the SqueezeBox2?

Would there be an expected difference in Audio Quality?

It certainly LOOKS great!!!

Paul

seanadams
2005-10-24, 17:20
Is there anything different in the hardware (internally) compared to the SqueezeBox2?

Would there be an expected difference in Audio Quality?

It certainly LOOKS great!!!

Paul

The only changes to the technical specs are the use of dual internal antennas instead of one internal and one external. Also the internal 3.3v switching supply has been replaced with a linear supply. Other than that, the electronics are functionally the same, and it runs the same software as Squeezebox2.

Jetlag
2005-10-24, 17:34
Nice job on the design Sean! It went from looking like a cheap alarm clock to looking like an expensive alarm clock!

OK, only kidding. ;)

Any chance there will be a "gallery" up featuring the new SB3 anytime soon?

Are these the ones that radioio is giving away?

Michaelwagner
2005-10-24, 17:34
Sean:
The physical specs on pi_specs are the same as before: 1.9" high, 4.5" deep. It doesn't look the same size as before ... Did someone forget an update?

patrick
2005-10-24, 17:43
>
> Are these the ones that radioio is giving away?

Next month.

---
Patrick Cosson
V-P, Sales & Marketing
Slim Devices, Inc.
415-359-7407 cell
413-638-5248 efax

"Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in its class.
You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a superbly engineered
audiophile component."

Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005

dean
2005-10-24, 17:44
Yes I did, but I updated it.

On Oct 24, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Michaelwagner wrote:

>
> Sean:
> The physical specs on pi_specs are the same as before: 1.9" high, 4.5"
> deep. It doesn't look the same size as before ... Did someone
> forget an
> update?
>
>
> --
> Michaelwagner
>

gharris999
2005-10-24, 17:46
There's a little bug on your web order form. When you select the white, wireless SB3, the order details page labels it as a wired SB3. It charges the right price, though.

mikey
2005-10-24, 17:59
Is there anything Slim Devices can do for those of us nice repeat customers that happened to order a Squeezebox 2 on Friday, one business day before the new product announcement? I guess I could return it under the 30 day guarantee and order the new model, but maybe we could exchange it directly without going to all that trouble?

patrick
2005-10-24, 18:10
On 10/24/05 5:59 PM, "mikey" <mikey.1xfnu0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:

>
> Is there anything Slim Devices can do for those of us nice repeat
> customers that happened to order a Squeezebox 2 on Friday, one business
> day before the new product announcement? I guess I could return it
> under the 30 day guarantee and order the new model, but maybe we could
> exchange it directly without going to all that trouble?
>

All units ordered before noon today have been shipped unless you received an
email saying there was problem with your credit card or billing address.

However, to make it less likely that you will return the player, you are
welcome to enter the promo code "ThankYou" to qualify for $20 off your order
of a third-generation Squeezebox.

Cheers,

Patrick

---
Patrick Cosson
V-P, Sales & Marketing
Slim Devices, Inc.
415-359-7407 cell
413-638-5248 efax

"Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in its class.
You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a superbly engineered
audiophile component."

Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005

dean
2005-10-24, 18:14
Thanks, that should be fixed now.

On Oct 24, 2005, at 5:46 PM, gharris999 wrote:

>
> There's a little bug on your web order form. When you select the
> white,
> wireless SB3, the order details page labels it as a wired SB3. It
> charges the right price, though.
>
>
> --
> gharris999
>

abdomen
2005-10-24, 18:35
What a beautiful new product! (When renovations to our house get underway, I plan to buy two or three to form a little family with my SB2!) Congratulations, Slim Devices.

I don't know whether this is the best place to post nitpicky web site corrections, but the following FAQ entry refers to reorienting the antenna, which appears inapplicable to the 3rd-gen SB.

http://www.slimdevices.com./su_faq.html#troubleshooting-wireless

Jetlag
2005-10-24, 18:48
Reiterating a previous request, any chance we could see bigger/better photos of the white vs. black?

I don't want to get a white one if it is to "i-Pod-y", but I'm afraid the black one may not fit in to well in the bedroom.

seanadams
2005-10-24, 18:55
There's a "photos" link below the text in the middle of the home page, plus a 360 degree animation. Note the white one comes with a white remote. Personally I think the white remote looks pretty slick.

Also note the black remote has changed a little. Colors are tweaked, and we've added a "Favorites" button.

patrick
2005-10-24, 19:05
Look here..

http://www.slimdevices.com/au_press.html


On 10/24/05 6:48 PM, "Jetlag" <Jetlag.1xfq5b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:

>
> Reiterating a previous request, any chance we could see bigger/better
> photos of the white vs. black?
>
> I don't want to get a white one if it is to "i-Pod-y", but I'm afraid
> the black one may not fit in to well in the bedroom.
>

---
Patrick Cosson
V-P, Sales & Marketing
Slim Devices, Inc.
415-359-7407 cell
413-638-5248 efax

"Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in its class.
You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a superbly engineered
audiophile component."

Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005

mrfantasy
2005-10-24, 19:22
The new player looks great, but really seems like a tabletop sort of device to me. The SB2 fits better in my component shelves (in fact I probably wouldn't have been able to fit an SB3 at all.)

Will you guys be selling the SB2 for a while longer, or is this a case of selling out existing inventory?

Whoops, I see that you are in fact clearing out the inventory. Perhaps a component-sized player is in the works?

Damon Riley
2005-10-24, 19:43
It's too bad this unit didn't make it into "Wired Test," a mag kinda
like Consumer Reports and sent to "Wired" readers today. They gave the
Roku Soundbridge the 'editors' pick' over the SB2, mainly on looks as
far as I can tell... :-(

I think the SB3 looks great.

-- Damon

Yan Tran
2005-10-24, 19:58
Well my jaw just dropped to the floor, and I haven't done that in quite some
time for an electronics product. I'll be looking for excuses for the next
few weeks to upgrade from my SB1.

On 10/24/05, seanadams <seanadams.1xflio (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:
>
>
> We are pleased to introduce the third-generation Squeezebox. This is a
> new design created by Fred Bould, an internationally renowned
> California designer of cool, modern products. The new form is
> beautiful, combining brushed aluminum, solid steel, and highly polished
> surfaces.
>
> Also, we've added support for native WMA playback, automatic volume
> leveling, WPA2 security, and beautifully detailed Asian characters.
> SlimServer 6.2 is available for download now - look for the release
> notes on the downloads page to see all of the updates.
>
> Come take a look and learn more at http://www.slimdevices.com
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Sean Adams
> CEO, Slim Devices
>
> PS. If you have a friend who's been waiting to take the leap, please
> consider our "100 Off 2" code - details are on the home page.
>
>
> --
> seanadams
>

jtfields
2005-10-24, 20:03
I'm not sure I see the point of offering the two different colors since the front, which is what people will mostly be looking at, looks the same on both.

I do like the new look though.

kolepard
2005-10-24, 20:16
>the internal 3.3v switching supply has been replaced with a linear supply.

Can someone more knowledgeable than I tell me if this is a
significant change or not? I know there have been some occasional
noise issues that have been attributed intermittently to the power
supply in the past.

Thanks.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

PhilNYC
2005-10-24, 20:27
>the internal 3.3v switching supply has been replaced with a linear supply.

Can someone more knowledgeable than I tell me if this is a
significant change or not? I know there have been some occasional
noise issues that have been attributed intermittently to the power
supply in the past.

.

A number of folks, including myself, replaced the wall-wart power supply on the SB2 with a linear power supply, and the results were a positive impact on the sound quality. I use the SB2 only via the digital out to an external DAC, and I found that the linear power supply reduced some sibilance and harshness I was getting in the sound...

Michaelwagner
2005-10-24, 20:29
Look here..
http://www.slimdevices.com/au_press.htmlthis link fails for me (and so do the other .jpg links:
http://www.slimdevices.com/photos/press/squeezebox_v3_hero.jpg

seanadams
2005-10-24, 20:32
A number of folks, including myself, replaced the wall-wart power supply on the SB2 with a linear power supply, and the results were a positive impact on the sound quality. I use the SB2 only via the digital out to an external DAC, and I found that the linear power supply reduced some sibilance and harshness I was getting in the sound...

Please note I'm referring to one of the internal regulator chips, not the AC supply. It's not a significant change unless you're counting picoseconds of clock jitter, in which case it is a tiny improvement - see the audiophile forum for more about jitter.

seanadams
2005-10-24, 20:33
this link fails for me (and so do the other .jpg links:
http://www.slimdevices.com/photos/press/squeezebox_v3_hero.jpg

It seems firefox can't handle the image size. Try right clicking to save, then open with something else.

Michaelwagner
2005-10-24, 20:39
It seems firefox can't handle the image size. Try right clicking to save, then open with something else.I'm using IE 5.5

Michaelwagner
2005-10-24, 20:43
How very bizarre ... it seems the picture is stored in some already-layered format. I got 4 pictures all with the same name but suffixed C-M-Y-K (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and intensity). Print colours.

aaronwt
2005-10-24, 21:41
When it says "support for native WMA playback" what does that mean exactly? I have all my CDs ripped in the WMA lossless format. Does that mean the Squeeze box itself will actually decode the music or is that still done on the PC and streamed to the squeezebox?

Dan Sully
2005-10-24, 21:48
* aaronwt shaped the electrons to say...

>When it says "support for native WMA playback" what does that mean
>exactly? I have all my CDs ripped in the WMA lossless format. Does that
>mean the Squeeze box itself will actually decode the music or is that
>still done on the PC and streamed to the squeezebox?

For WMA Lossless, it's still decoded on the PC.

For regular WMA, it's decoded on the Squeezebox

-D
--
<iNoah> I think someone should create a magazine for computer peripherals, called Card & Driver

seanadams
2005-10-24, 21:53
How very bizarre ... it seems the picture is stored in some already-layered format. I got 4 pictures all with the same name but suffixed C-M-Y-K (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and intensity). Print colours.

Well, you learn something new every day - I always thought JPEGs were strictly RGB. We'll see if makes sense to change them. I'm pretty sure all the print designers would still go for the TIFFs.

jackyhan
2005-10-24, 21:59
anyone in nyc want to purchase this item also, we can combine our order together to use 100 dollars off coupon, I will split the cost with you evenly, if you are interested in it, please contact with me at jackyhan@hotmail.com, thanks!

shvejk
2005-10-24, 22:07
SB3 looks great. Congratulations!
Now, please commission Fred Bould to design nice powered speakers to go
with the main unit.
This is going to look great as a standalone small-factor stereo system.
Also, could you consider fitting the *Tripath TA 2024* chip inside?
The same as in the T-Amp:
http://www.tnt-audio.com/ampli/t-amp_e.html
Wow, SlimDevices came a long way since SliMP3
I am glad I bet my money on your products. Now, there is a new reason to
spend more :)
Cheers,

seanadams
2005-10-24, 22:19
Wow, SlimDevices came a long way since SliMP3


http://www.slimdevices.com/photos/creedence.jpeg

You think so? :)

dean
2005-10-24, 22:50
Sorry for the trouble, the jpegs on <http://www.slimdevices.com/
au_press.html> have been fixed and are there for your viewing pleasure.


On Oct 24, 2005, at 9:53 PM, seanadams wrote:

>
> Michaelwagner Wrote:
>
>> How very bizarre ... it seems the picture is stored in some
>> already-layered format. I got 4 pictures all with the same name but
>> suffixed C-M-Y-K (Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and intensity). Print
>> colours.
>>
>
> Well, you learn something new every day - I always thought JPEGs were
> strictly RGB. We'll see if makes sense to change them. I'm pretty sure
> all the print designers would still go for the TIFFs.
>
>
> --
> seanadams
>

shvejk
2005-10-24, 23:18
Yeah, I have several great looking gadgets gathering dust in my closet. They
all look attractive, but have proven to be useless / boring / no longer
supported / incompatible / whatever...
Squeeze Box is NOT one of them. You got the internals right first, and then,
finally, got a nice case as well.
Excellent job!
On 10/25/05, seanadams <seanadams.1xfzvd (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:
>
>
> > Wow, SlimDevices came a long way since SliMP3
> http://www.slimdevices.com/photos/creedence.jpeg
> You think so? :)
>

gingerneil
2005-10-24, 23:49
Good work - looks nice.
A 'seperates' looking version would be good too to integrate into people's main hi-fi stack, but we cant have everything !
Now.... how long until the early adopters put their 'old' SB2s onto ebay for me to snap up ?! :)

JJZolx
2005-10-24, 23:57
Very cutting edge design. Wherever do these modern day designers come up with these ideas?

http://zolx.com/images/sucrets.jpg

ModelCitizen
2005-10-25, 01:06
Gawd, this has got some interest then.
Slim Devices forums just told me "Server is busy". :-(

Simon Turner
Barcombe UK

> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of
> Patrick Cosson
> Sent: 25 October 2005 02:10
> To: Slim Devices Discussion
> Subject: Re: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation
> Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2
>
> On 10/24/05 5:59 PM, "mikey"
> <mikey.1xfnu0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > Is there anything Slim Devices can do for those of us nice repeat
> > customers that happened to order a Squeezebox 2 on Friday, one
> > business day before the new product announcement? I guess I could
> > return it under the 30 day guarantee and order the new model, but
> > maybe we could exchange it directly without going to all
> that trouble?
> >
>
> All units ordered before noon today have been shipped unless
> you received an email saying there was problem with your
> credit card or billing address.
>
> However, to make it less likely that you will return the
> player, you are welcome to enter the promo code "ThankYou" to
> qualify for $20 off your order of a third-generation Squeezebox.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Patrick
>
> ---
> Patrick Cosson
> V-P, Sales & Marketing
> Slim Devices, Inc.
> 415-359-7407 cell
> 413-638-5248 efax
>
> "Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in
> its class.
> You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a
> superbly engineered audiophile component."
>
> Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Paulussie
2005-10-25, 01:27
That looks like the third SB I am going to buy this year. January 15: SB1. March 23: SB2. And now, November 1: SB3. You guys bring out new hardware faster than M$ do patches!

Now the only question is, do I wait 3 months for SB4 :-))

Paul

theDiver
2005-10-25, 01:48
Hi there

The new design looks nice, if you want it standing around like yet another gadget.

But personally I prefer having my SB hidden between my Surround Decoder, and my TV, and not standing on top of something.

I need to see the display nothing else.

I sure hope you continue to sell SB2, because the SB3 is way to high for my taste.

ceejay
2005-10-25, 02:03
Hi there

The new design looks nice, if you want it standing around like yet another gadget.

But personally I prefer having my SB hidden between my Surround Decoder, and my TV, and not standing on top of something.

I need to see the display nothing else.

I sure hope you continue to sell SB2, because the SB3 is way to high for my taste.

I shouldn't worry about it. Look back in the thread - there are plenty of people looking for ways to upgrade from SB2 to SB3. You should have no problem finding one on eBay or even here. All you have to say is "SB2 wanted - $100 offered" and someone will bite your arm off!

Ceejay

theDiver
2005-10-25, 02:26
Hi Ceejay

Thats is probably true, but what about in 6 month or 1 year ?

I think the whole idea of having a smart and slim MP3 player that can access your CD collection from a server goes totaly haywire, when you need that amount of space that a SB3 requires.

It is a shame, and i REALLY hope they will continue to produce the SB2.

p.s. Does anyone have a SB2 for sale in Europe ? Preferably Denmark ?

Paulussie
2005-10-25, 03:35
p.s. Does anyone have a SB2 for sale in Europe ? Preferably Denmark ?

I am not sure if I am allowed to sell something on this forum, so I might get my wrist slapped for this:

My wireless, platinum SB2 was 322 Euro in total (SB2 + SH + VAT). I'll let it go for 250 euro. In perfect shape and I still have the box. I am located in Amsterdam.

Paul

DrNic
2005-10-25, 03:44
Oh you've gone and done it now guys...
I was literally about to "treat" myself to a new SB2, credit card at hand, and the email about the new SB dropped into the inbox!!
Now what am I supposed to do?!!
I like the new design - sure. Slight concern about the reclined angle, is this adjustable? what is the angle out of interest? (yes this does matter to me, as it could make viewing the screen difficult in my SB1's current position..)

The next question is really to the UK distributor boys (multi-task/cooltopia etc)
Whats your stock level like on the "old" (god that sounds weird!) SB2's? If I decide that I need one now - will I get SB2 or be forced to wait for SB3?

Thanks

Nic

luga00
2005-10-25, 03:58
Ditto, I was just about to buy 5 x SB2 units to kit out the whole house. However, I'm not tempted by the SB3 design - I prefer the SB2 'lay down' approach and it seems to be the same beast under the hood in any case. Looks like I'll be trawling e-bay in the coming weeks especially if there are going to be some bargains to be had.

Stuart Cooper
2005-10-25, 04:02
I have just 2 wired-only left in stock...

Stu
www.multitask-computing.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of DrNic
Sent: 25 October 2005 11:45
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2


Oh you've gone and done it now guys...
I was literally about to "treat" myself to a new SB2, credit card at hand,
and the email about the new SB dropped into the inbox!!
Now what am I supposed to do?!!
I like the new design - sure. Slight concern about the reclined angle, is
this adjustable? what is the angle out of interest? (yes this does matter to
me, as it could make viewing the screen difficult in my SB1's current
position..)

The next question is really to the UK distributor boys (multi-task/cooltopia
etc) Whats your stock level like on the "old" (god that sounds weird!)
SB2's? If I decide that I need one now - will I get SB2 or be forced to wait
for SB3?

Thanks

Nic


--
DrNic

max.spicer
2005-10-25, 04:05
That's a good point. I'm planning to put one on top of a wardrobe. This means that the screen will be viewed from below. I'd be interested to know how much having the screen tilted upwards affects its visibility.

Max


I like the new design - sure. Slight concern about the reclined angle, is this adjustable? what is the angle out of interest? (yes this does matter to me, as it could make viewing the screen difficult in my SB1's current position..)

ultra238a
2005-10-25, 04:11
dabs.com have wireless stock and scan.co.uk have wired stock.

Thanks

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

CardinalFang
2005-10-25, 04:20
The new design looks nice, if you want it standing around like yet another gadget.


You know, I was really, really hoping for an audiophile SB in a metal case with new power supplies etc., but I really do like the design of this and I may have to rethink my choices.

I rehoused my SB in a HiFi style case, but I'm not 100% happy with it and very tempted to get one of these instead. This would look fantastic with a tube amp in a well put together minimalistic case. I'm tempted to put my Copland amp and CD player on ebay and buy a tube amp instead since I don't use my CD player anymore - all I really need now is a SB, amp and DAC and they can all be much smaller. Hmmm....

Paul

Dave D
2005-10-25, 04:26
Also, could you consider fitting the *Tripath TA 2024* chip inside?

I was hoping for that, as well. I think that would be a naturnal extention to the product line. Regardless, the new design is a definite improvement, visually, over the SB2.

I also agree with a previous post that it's more for table-top use, though. I wonder how quickly the SB2's will sell out because people want something to be able to easily fit on top of their DVD player in the cabinet, shelves, etc. Under the hood, they are virtually identical...

JulianL
2005-10-25, 05:38
I really like the new design. One thing occurs to me for an SB4 though.

This new form factor could now very conveniently house an even bigger display, say twice the height of the current display. Instead of the single line display for the info on the track currently playing I often wish that the display had space for a 3 line display (I would configure such a display with the top line for the Artist, the second line for the Album title and the third line for the track title).

- Julian

danny6869
2005-10-25, 05:51
We are pleased to introduce the third-generation Squeezebox.

...



No offense meant to anyone at slimdevices, but as much as I love the SB, I feel this type of design is the WRONG direction to be moving in. I'm of the opinion that this device should blend in with your stereo...not stand out from it.

What is so difficult about offering 2 (or more) different case styles that have the exact same hardware inside? (One stereo component type, and the new design)

I'm afraid if this is the permanent new look of the SB, then the SB2 may have been my last SB purchase.

(sorry if I'm putting a damper on these festivities)

cmturner2
2005-10-25, 05:58
I am in some agreement with the previous poster.

I have an old clock radio from Eckard that looks to be a twin brother of the "new" SB3, so regardless of everything else, IMO you paid too much for some fancy designer to turn a great looking product into a mediocre looking one.

Ideally you'd backport the minor hardware improvements to the superior SB2 and continue offering them side by side, but hey, I already have mine so not a problem. :)

A higher priority in my book would have been threading in the SlimServer software so the music doesn't stop playing when doing things like mucking about with large playlists or scanning libraries.

Oh well, good luck with your new product!

stinkingpig
2005-10-25, 06:13
theDiver wrote:

>Hi Ceejay
>
>Thats is probably true, but what about in 6 month or 1 year ?
>
>
>

I just ebay'd a SliMP3 a couple of months ago for a decent sum. This
stuff holds its value, and you will be able to buy them used.

I also prefer the SB2 design, FWIW.

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture!
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin
so across the Western ocean I must wander" -- trad.

Fifer
2005-10-25, 06:14
Did no-one tell Gizmodo? I expected to see the SB3 there today.

Craig, James (IT)
2005-10-25, 06:23
It's on engadget already and gizmodo does always seem to lag them a
bit...

James
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Jetlag
2005-10-25, 06:28
Thanks for the photos.

Michaelwagner
2005-10-25, 06:46
http://www.slimdevices.com/photos/creedence.jpeg
Gee...looks like my old wirewrapped Kim-1.

oscuridad
2005-10-25, 07:05
Great new design, but I would defintely recommend to keep the SB2 Model around and maybe the drop the price a tad more.

As soon as I get some extra bucks I will upgrade, I am still a SB1 owner...

hardsoulwax
2005-10-25, 07:07
Love the new box. Just to check, does the wireless version still have a an ethernet connector on the back?

Fifer
2005-10-25, 07:24
I'd be amazed if it didn't, if for no other reason than that it's required for bridging mode.

theDiver
2005-10-25, 07:40
Could anyone from Slimdevices.com please tell us if you will continue to produce SB2 ?

dean
2005-10-25, 07:44
On Oct 25, 2005, at 7:07 AM, hardsoulwax wrote:
> Love the new box. Just to check, does the wireless version still
> have a
> an ethernet connector on the back?

Yes: http://www.slimdevices.com/ and click on Photos and/or 360
Animation

max.spicer
2005-10-25, 07:51
Sean has already said in this forum that they won't.

Max


Could anyone from Slimdevices.com please tell us if you will continue to produce SB2 ?

dean
2005-10-25, 07:52
Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest inventory
remaining and they are still available from our order page at a
discount.

When this stock runs out, that's it.

-dean

On Oct 25, 2005, at 7:40 AM, theDiver wrote:

>
> Could anyone from Slimdevices.com please tell us if you will
> continue to
> produce SB2 ?
>
>
> --
> theDiver
>

jtfields
2005-10-25, 08:10
I like the design better than the Squeezebox2 personally. The old design was very unassuming and really didn't make you stop and notice it. That would be fine if it was component sized and intended to be tucked away with the rest of your audio components. But since it is designed as something that you will tend to display separately from the rest of your equipment I think it should have the more slick look. The SB3 seems to acheive this.

The angle of tilt is a good point, though. Mine sits on top of my television so it is probably about five feet off the ground in my living room. When standing it should not be a problem but I am curious if there will be a problem reading the display while sitting on my couch.

Obviously whether you like it is all a matter of preference and taste as well as a function of how you use your device. So I'm sure they were expecting some not to like the design. There's always a semi-meltdown after a new product is released.

Fifer
2005-10-25, 08:25
So I'm sure they were expecting some not to like the design.
Swings and roundabouts. More than a few weren't awfully excited by the old housing. I prefer the new look but was happy to buy the SB1 & 2 because they did what they did much better than any available alternative.

Daryle Tilroe
2005-10-25, 08:28
seanadams wrote:
> PhilNYC Wrote:
>
>>A number of folks, including myself, replaced the wall-wart power supply
>>on the SB2 with a linear power supply, and the results were a positive
>>impact on the sound quality. I use the SB2 only via the digital out to
>>an external DAC, and I found that the linear power supply reduced some
>>sibilance and harshness I was getting in the sound...
>
>
> Please note I'm referring to one of the internal regulator chips, not
> the AC supply. It's not a significant change unless you're counting
> picoseconds of clock jitter, in which case it is a tiny improvement -
> see the audiophile forum for more about jitter.
>

How about RF EMI? Was that internal switcher generating/broadcasting
anything significant?

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

Michaelwagner
2005-10-25, 08:38
Swings and roundabouts.I'm not familiar with that phrase. What does it mean?

seanadams
2005-10-25, 08:39
seanadams wrote:
> PhilNYC Wrote:
>
>>A number of folks, including myself, replaced the wall-wart power supply
>>on the SB2 with a linear power supply, and the results were a positive
>>impact on the sound quality. I use the SB2 only via the digital out to
>>an external DAC, and I found that the linear power supply reduced some
>>sibilance and harshness I was getting in the sound...
>
>
> Please note I'm referring to one of the internal regulator chips, not
> the AC supply. It's not a significant change unless you're counting
> picoseconds of clock jitter, in which case it is a tiny improvement -
> see the audiophile forum for more about jitter.
>

How about RF EMI? Was that internal switcher generating/broadcasting
anything significant?

--
Daryle A. Tilroe

Nope. 3v3 rails were quite clean before and after. EMI is well controlled here because we have all the high speed parts packed into the little CPU module.

max.spicer
2005-10-25, 08:44
That there are arguments for and against and there's not much to choose between either.

Max


I'm not familiar with that phrase. What does it mean?

Paul Webster
2005-10-25, 09:53
Small image change for website
http://www.squeezenetwork.com/ - has SB2 rather than SB2/3 or whatever is the right way to say not the old stuff.

Dave D
2005-10-25, 09:54
That there are arguments for and against and there's not much to choose between either.

Max

That must be one of those things that never floated across the pond ;)

max.spicer
2005-10-25, 10:08
Probably got bogged down in all that tea.

Max


That must be one of those things that never floated across the pond ;)

rusty
2005-10-25, 10:31
I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology and style, i would have waited.
Thanks.

meb
2005-10-25, 10:33
Can anyone tell me if the display on the SB3 is a larger size, or higher resolution than the SB2's display?

theDiver
2005-10-25, 10:37
Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest inventory
remaining and they are still available from our order page at a
discount.


Thats is REALLY sad to hear, what is the reason to stop the SB2 production ?

I must admit if i need another Squeezebox i will not go and buy the new SB3, because it does not fit into my Surround System, it's to tall, and looks to strange, not a Stereo type of design. :-(

Marc Sherman
2005-10-25, 10:37
rusty wrote:
> I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out
> what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon
> for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology
> and style, i would have waited.

There's no significant technology improvement; the only difference is
the case. All the tech improvements mentioned in the press release are
in the firmware, which can be updated on the SB2.

- Marc

JJZolx
2005-10-25, 10:38
I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology and style, i would have waited.
Thanks.
I hear that the SB4 is right around the corner and should be available by the midsummer. If you're considering an SB3, then I guess you should wait.

Mitch Harding
2005-10-25, 10:41
>From what I understand there are no "significant improvements in technology"
between the SB2 and the SB3. Improvements in style? Perhaps -- depends on
your aesthetic.

Regardless, how can you feel burned? It's 6 months since they released the
SB2. I'm curious what you think they should have done instead? Delayed
release of the SB3 for longer? Or announce at the beginning of the year
their release plans for the next 12 months?

Slim Devices already does many,many things that no other company would do
for their customers. I think that encourages us to think that they are just
a group of our friends who are making cool things for us and that they
aren't actually a business. They do have to do what makes sense from a
business perspective, if they're going to make money and continue to exist
as a company.

On 10/25/05, rusty <rusty.1xgxwc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out
> what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon
> for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology
> and style, i would have waited.
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> rusty
>

Mitch Harding
2005-10-25, 10:41
None of the posts so far have indicated that it is. Looking at the available
pictures, the display looks identical to me. Perhaps a SD employee can
confirm?

On 10/25/05, meb <meb.1xgxwd (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Can anyone tell me if the display on the SB3 is a larger size, or higher
> resolution than the SB2's display?
>
>
> --
> meb
>

Kirk Ferguson
2005-10-25, 10:42
On 10/25/05, dean blackketter <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest inventory
> remaining and they are still available from our order page at a
> discount.
>
> When this stock runs out, that's it.



That's too bad. While I like the new design, I still also need a horizontal
design that will fit in my stereo cabinet conveniently.

Given that the Squeezebox is only usable when connected to a stereo, the new
vertical form factor seems odd to me when presented as the only offering. As
an alternate choice, yes, but as the only product?

I guess I'll be searching ebay for my next Slim Devices purchase ... :-(

Kirk

Mitch Harding
2005-10-25, 10:43
This reminds me of the agony I go through when planning a new computer. I
have an easy time deciding what current products I want in my system. But
there's always a new processor, or gpu, or sound card, etc, that is going to
be released next month. If I waited for them, I'd never have a new computer..
:)

On 10/25/05, JJZolx <JJZolx.1xgy4p (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> rusty Wrote:
> > I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out
> > what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon
> > for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology
> > and style, i would have waited.
> > Thanks.
> I hear that the SB4 is right around the corner and should be available
> by the midsummer. If you're considering an SB3, then I guess you
> should wait.
>
>
> --
> JJZolx
>
> Jim
>

Dan Sully
2005-10-25, 10:44
* Mitch Harding shaped the electrons to say...

>None of the posts so far have indicated that it is. Looking at the available
>pictures, the display looks identical to me. Perhaps a SD employee can confirm?

The display resolution & size is identical to the SB2.

-D
--
For every new fool-proof invention there is a new and improved fool.

kdf
2005-10-25, 10:44
Quoting JJZolx <JJZolx.1xgy4p (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> rusty Wrote:
>> I feel a little bit burned by the fact that the SB2 has only been out
>> what, less than a year? Had i known that it would have been this soon
>> for the SB3 to come out with the significant improvements in technology
>> and style, i would have waited.
>> Thanks.
> I hear that the SB4 is right around the corner and should be available
> by the midsummer. If you're considering an SB3, then I guess you
> should wait.
>
But really, you'll just end up feeling left out when the SB5 comes along
complete with living quarters and climate control.
-k

Marc Sherman
2005-10-25, 10:45
Mitch Harding wrote:
> This reminds me of the agony I go through when planning a new computer. I
> have an easy time deciding what current products I want in my system. But
> there's always a new processor, or gpu, or sound card, etc, that is going to
> be released next month. If I waited for them, I'd never have a new computer.
> :)

Lobby your congressman to repeal Moore's Law!

- Marc

dean
2005-10-25, 10:47
Exactly the same display.

On Oct 25, 2005, at 10:41 AM, Mitch Harding wrote:

> None of the posts so far have indicated that it is. Looking at the
> available pictures, the display looks identical to me. Perhaps a
> SD employee can confirm?
>
> On 10/25/05, meb <meb.1xgxwd (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com > wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me if the display on the SB3 is a larger size, or
> higher
> resolution than the SB2's display?
>
>
> --
> meb
>

Josh Coalson
2005-10-25, 10:55
--- Kirk Ferguson <gkferguson (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> On 10/25/05, dean blackketter <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
> >
> > Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest inventory
> > remaining and they are still available from our order page at a
> > discount.
> >
> > When this stock runs out, that's it.
>
>
>
> That's too bad. While I like the new design, I still also need a
> horizontal
> design that will fit in my stereo cabinet conveniently.
>
> Given that the Squeezebox is only usable when connected to a stereo,
> the new
> vertical form factor seems odd to me when presented as the only
> offering. As
> an alternate choice, yes, but as the only product?
>
> I guess I'll be searching ebay for my next Slim Devices purchase ...
> :-(

man, didn't you read your own quote? they still have some, so
buy one at a discount if you think you are going to need it. or
are you just trying to sound vindictive?

no purchase comes with an entitlement to have the best available
thing for an indefinite period. if it did no manufacturer would
take the risk of improving a product.

Josh





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Lee Harris
2005-10-25, 11:05
1 x wireless platinum in stock at www.cooltopia.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Stuart Cooper [mailto:stu (AT) multitask-computing (DOT) co.uk]
Sent: 25 October 2005 12:03
To: 'Slim Devices Discussion'
Subject: RE: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer
6.2

I have just 2 wired-only left in stock...

Stu
www.multitask-computing.co.uk

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com] On Behalf Of DrNic
Sent: 25 October 2005 11:45
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer 6.2


Oh you've gone and done it now guys...
I was literally about to "treat" myself to a new SB2, credit card at hand,
and the email about the new SB dropped into the inbox!!
Now what am I supposed to do?!!
I like the new design - sure. Slight concern about the reclined angle, is
this adjustable? what is the angle out of interest? (yes this does matter to
me, as it could make viewing the screen difficult in my SB1's current
position..)

The next question is really to the UK distributor boys (multi-task/cooltopia
etc) Whats your stock level like on the "old" (god that sounds weird!)
SB2's? If I decide that I need one now - will I get SB2 or be forced to wait
for SB3?

Thanks

Nic


--
DrNic

Fifer
2005-10-25, 11:19
I bought an SB1 and then they brought out the SB2. I bought an SB2 and now they've brought out the SB3. Nobody got burned though as, funnily enough, they still do exactly what they did when I bought them. No actually, they do more now, as Slimserver's had several upgrades and all for free.

oreillymj
2005-10-25, 11:22
This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners paradise.
Slim devices make the best product on the market from what I can see. The SB3 does not change that.

I bought my SB2 in April and the product has been improved immeasurably by the 2 software upgrades since.

Try asking Belkin or Philips to add Replaygain & Wake On Lan functionality to the streaming media products and I can guess what sort of reply you'll get.

Personally I can see how the SB2 form factor makes sense for certain uses, but the cost of manufacturing 2 different cases & PCB's + maintaining spares is probably not commercially viable.
Maybe Sean will GPL the case mould ;-)

I know I'll be buying an SB3 for my kitchen as soon as my credit card recovers. Now did someone mention "iPod nano scratch of death syndrome" ;-)

yimmy149
2005-10-25, 11:31
Just wanted to throw in another "vote" for a squeezebox w/ a tripath amp built in, it would make a nice compact unit for the bedroom. (Although I think the stand-alone design of the SB3 is a big hint that this is already coming in the future.)

kdf
2005-10-25, 11:46
Quoting oreillymj <oreillymj.1xh07o (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners paradise.
> Slim devices make the best product on the market from what I can see.
> The SB3 does not change that.
>
It happens every time. In fact, I've actually noted that in just about every
case, within 3 posts there will be someone saying they are very upset by the
news. This happened for Slimserver 5.0, 6.0, SB, SB2. It actually took a lot
more than 3 posts this time, dozens even. I'd say that isn't too bad at all.

-k

Marc Sherman
2005-10-25, 11:49
oreillymj wrote:
>
> Personally I can see how the SB2 form factor makes sense for certain
> uses, but the cost of manufacturing 2 different cases & PCB's +
> maintaining spares is probably not commercially viable.
> Maybe Sean will GPL the case mould ;-)

That makes me curious... Sean, how different is the physical PCB in the
SB3 from the SB2? You've already mentioned that you changed an internal
power supply chip, but was that just a chip swap on an otherwise
unmodified board, or did the new case design require a board redesign to
fit?

I'm looking forward to another round of disassembled SB photographs... :)

- Marc

dwc
2005-10-25, 11:54
Sean and team,

Re: moving to two internal antennas...
Have you tested whether wireless reception is improved, degraded, or identical to the SB2 in sub-optimal conditions?

Some of us run on the edge of our bandwidth sometimes, and reception quality becomes critical.

Thanks,
Dan

shvejk
2005-10-25, 12:08
Aqua? Cool.
Can you see the infrared diode and the display internals when looking at
SB3 from close distance?
I hope not. The fact that you can see them when looking at SB2 does not
bother me too much.
However, with SB3 case is much more "classy". The see through glass would
not been good.
Thanks,
On 10/25/05, Patrick Cosson <patrick (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> On 10/25/05 10:44 AM, "Dan Sully" <dan (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > The display resolution & size is identical to the SB2.
>
> However it sits in a larger black area which make the display look bigger..
> We also changed the color of the plastic in front of the display so it's
> aqua rather than green.
>

jtfields
2005-10-25, 12:19
This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners paradise.

The meltdown happens everytime they release a new product. For several days there are posts from those who are upset because either:

a) they don't like the new product as much as the old
b) they don't like the new product because it's not the design they've been asking for every other week (read...component stereo sized or boombox) or
c) because they purchased the now "old" product within the last XX months.

Happens everytime.

Marc Sherman
2005-10-25, 12:21
jtfields wrote:
>
> a) they don't like the new product as much as the old
> b) they don't like the new product because it's not the design they've
> been asking for every other week (read...component stereo sized or
> boombox) or
> c) because they purchased the now "old" product within the last XX
> months.

d) It doesn't come with a pony!

- Marc

kdf
2005-10-25, 12:26
Quoting Marc Sherman <msherman (AT) projectile (DOT) ca>:

> jtfields wrote:
>>
>> a) they don't like the new product as much as the old
>> b) they don't like the new product because it's not the design they've
>> been asking for every other week (read...component stereo sized or
>> boombox) or
>> c) because they purchased the now "old" product within the last XX
>> months.
>
> d) It doesn't come with a pony!

That's the problem with the new height of the SB3. Too tall to leave room for
the pony any more. Though, you didn't ask if the polishing cloth was made from
pony skin?

-k

seanadams
2005-10-25, 12:30
oreillymj wrote:
>
> Personally I can see how the SB2 form factor makes sense for certain
> uses, but the cost of manufacturing 2 different cases & PCB's +
> maintaining spares is probably not commercially viable.
> Maybe Sean will GPL the case mould ;-)

That makes me curious... Sean, how different is the physical PCB in the
SB3 from the SB2?

Completely different layout and mechanicals. I'll post pics next week.

seanadams
2005-10-25, 12:35
Sean and team,

Re: moving to two internal antennas...
Have you tested whether wireless reception is improved, degraded, or identical to the SB2 in sub-optimal conditions?

Some of us run on the edge of our bandwidth sometimes, and reception quality becomes critical.

Thanks,
Dan

For straight line of sight they're the same. In the real world it's impossible to predict whether it'll be better or worse in any particular environment, as the sensitivity patterns are different. Overall it should be the same. Wireless chipset is unchanged.

hashref
2005-10-25, 12:59
Was mounting in a wall in mind with this design? I'm remodeling my basement and this looks perfect. Has there ever been thought of producing a webpad like remote that could sit on a coffee table or be mounted in a wall with a similar design? You guys rock already, dont get me wrong, but a customized optional Slim Devices webpad/remote would make this product even more attractive than it already is.

jtfields
2005-10-25, 13:01
That's the problem with the new height of the SB3. Too tall to leave room for
the pony any more.

I'm not sure I undserstand the moaning and groaning about the height. At 3.7 inches tall that's less than 2 inches taller than the Squeezebox2 and not exactly a towering piece of equipment. Most of the components in my A/V system are taller than that.

2005-10-25, 13:02
I can do wake-on-lan, how, and if so, is there a way to add a shutdown
command as well?

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:22 PM
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer
6.2


This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners paradise.
Slim devices make the best product on the market from what I can see.
The SB3 does not change that.

I bought my SB2 in April and the product has been improved immeasurably
by the 2 software upgrades since.

Try asking Belkin or Philips to add Replaygain & Wake On Lan
functionality to the streaming media products and I can guess what sort
of reply you'll get.

Personally I can see how the SB2 form factor makes sense for certain
uses, but the cost of manufacturing 2 different cases & PCB's +
maintaining spares is probably not commercially viable.
Maybe Sean will GPL the case mould ;-)

I know I'll be buying an SB3 for my kitchen as soon as my credit card
recovers. Now did someone mention "iPod nano scratch of death syndrome"
;-)


--
oreillymj

Michaelwagner
2005-10-25, 13:06
But really, you'll just end up feeling left out when the SB5 comes along complete with living quarters and climate control.And a pony.

kdf
2005-10-25, 13:15
Quoting jtfields <jtfields.1xh4ud (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>:

>
> kdf Wrote:
>> That's the problem with the new height of the SB3. Too tall to leave
>> room for
>> the pony any more.
>
> I'm not sure I undserstand the moaning and groaning about the height.

I think it's just a handy excuse. As for me, I was joking.

Michaelwagner
2005-10-25, 13:27
Too tall to leave room for the pony any more.Have you seen the new low-rise ponies?

bishopdonmiguel
2005-10-25, 13:28
> This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners
> paradise. Slim devices make the best product on the market
> from what I can see. The SB3 does not change that.

A large part of why Slim has been so good is they allow/tolerate/encourage respectful dissent (or venting). I seen other vendors delete posts that criticize their product. I've never seen that here. Besides, honest opinions are good for business.

Regarding SB3, IMHO it is certainly a great looking piece of kit and I think it might attract new users who previously wouldn't have considered the product. Kudos SlimDevices. I've been waiting for the "new" thing to drop some bank on and replace my SB1's, but honestly, this just isn't it. It's beautiful but the form factor doesn't work for me (I'd rather have a shinny "brick" with a face that's all display) and the lack of anything new in the electronics vs. the prior model provides little practical incentive. So I'll wait for the SB4 and re-evaluate.

You might call this "moaning." I consider it constructive criticism and important market intelligence. I trust Slim to listen and respond accordingly. If the money trail says the new SB3 design is the right choice, groovy, smashing, yea capitalism... but the fact of the matter is I won't be adding any of my gravy to that train. For now I will continue enjoying the SB1's and hope for a future excuse to do business with Sean & Team again.

jtfields
2005-10-25, 13:49
I think it's just a handy excuse. As for me, I was joking.

I knew you were but many aren't.

By the way, that design does look like it would be perferct for wall mounting. They should've made the stand removable and then included or sold separately some sort of custom bracket that somehow attaches to the back for wall mounting. I'm sure it won't be long until someone takes a hacksaw to the stand and then rigs a way to mount that sucker.

Chippy
2005-10-25, 13:54
Been away for a while... came back after a colleague (and past referral!) pointed out the new announcement...

Whoa. Wake-on-LAN, Volume Normalization and Various Artists all in one release?!! I've nothing left in Bugzilla to vote for anymore! Great stuff guys. (I hope it all works ;))

And I for one think the new form factor is just what the SB has been lacking. It doesn't look like a $10 radio alarm anymore, and it's gonna look great on top of my silver mini system. It's also going to stay out of the way of the vents of my amp.

Apologies for being so positive...

eq72521
2005-10-25, 14:18
Completely different layout and mechanicals. I'll post pics next week.

Try getting *that* from Belkin, NetGear, Roku, Sonos, etc.

pfarrell
2005-10-25, 14:43
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:01 -0700, jtfields wrote:
> kdf Wrote:
> > That's the problem with the new height of the SB3. Too tall to leave
> > room for the pony any more.
>
> I'm not sure I undserstand the moaning and groaning about the height.
> At 3.7 inches tall that's less than 2 inches taller than the
> Squeezebox2 and not exactly a towering piece of equipment. Most of the
> components in my A/V system are taller than that.

It is a personal design/space concern. Nearly all A/V receivers are
tall. All the old VCR and cassette drives were tall.
Modern DVD players are getting flatter each years. I haven't had
a VCR or cassette deck in my living room in more than a decade, and
haven't had a CD player since I got my first SB.

If you are putting a SqueezeBox on top of a shelf, the SB3 looks better
and the height is not an issue. If you are cramming it into a packed
closed case, like I am, it is much more of an issue. The only things
that I'm allowed to have visible are the speakers. All the wires, amps,
tuners, players, etc. have to be hidden to meet the WAF.

So for me, depth and width are not important at all, and height is.
YMMV and all that.

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

Jacob Potter
2005-10-25, 15:05
On 10/25/05, seanadams <seanadams.1xh3gb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Completely different layout and mechanicals. I'll post pics next week.
>

Is the processor board/module different too, or just the main PCB?

- Jacob

seanadams
2005-10-25, 15:23
On 10/25/05, seanadams <seanadams.1xh3gb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Completely different layout and mechanicals. I'll post pics next week.
>

Is the processor board/module different too, or just the main PCB?

- Jacob

Same module. What was main board + display board is now main board + connector board.

DrNic
2005-10-25, 15:33
The angle of tilt is a good point, though. Mine sits on top of my television so it is probably about five feet off the ground in my living room. When standing it should not be a problem but I am curious if there will be a problem reading the display while sitting on my couch.


Well this thread has moved on significantly whilst I've been hacking people up at work!!
Still no answer to my original question - which has prompted others to think/voice the same thing though...
What is the recline angle like Slim Guru's??
Its hard to "work-out" from those pictures....

Nic

PS thanks to multi-task, cooltopia etc for replying with their stock levels!! I guess I have already missed the boat on these - darn that thing called work!!

patrick
2005-10-25, 15:43
On 10/25/05 3:33 PM, "DrNic" <DrNic.1xhbsc (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
wrote:

>
> PS thanks to multi-task, cooltopia etc for replying with their stock
> levels!! I guess I have already missed the boat on these - darn that
> thing called work!!

We have plenty of SB2 stock...for now. :-)

Patrick

---
Patrick Cosson
V-P, Sales & Marketing
Slim Devices, Inc.
415-359-7407 cell
413-638-5248 efax

"Simply put, Slim Devices' Squeezebox2 is the best product in its class.
You're not buying a computer peripheral, but rather a superbly engineered
audiophile component."

Editors¹ Choice | LAPTOP Magazine | September 2005

kefa
2005-10-25, 16:13
This works for me. Hacked about RunScript Plugin to display the right messages and provide a delay (to prevent the g'friend shutting down accidentally while I'm doing something important!).

Need to configure the Plugin with the Shutdown script once the Plugin (RunScript.pm) is installed. I'm sure something like this will get incoporated in to the standard build at some point.

(Ooo, nearly forgot, needs some hacking about with sudo to enable the Shutdown script to run)


I can do wake-on-lan, how, and if so, is there a way to add a shutdown
command as well?

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Subject: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox, SlimServer
6.2


This thread does seem to be becoming a bit of a moaners paradise.
Slim devices make the best product on the market from what I can see.
The SB3 does not change that.

I bought my SB2 in April and the product has been improved immeasurably
by the 2 software upgrades since.

Try asking Belkin or Philips to add Replaygain & Wake On Lan
functionality to the streaming media products and I can guess what sort
of reply you'll get.

Personally I can see how the SB2 form factor makes sense for certain
uses, but the cost of manufacturing 2 different cases & PCB's +
maintaining spares is probably not commercially viable.
Maybe Sean will GPL the case mould ;-)

I know I'll be buying an SB3 for my kitchen as soon as my credit card
recovers. Now did someone mention "iPod nano scratch of death syndrome"
;-)


--
oreillymj

max.spicer
2005-10-25, 16:17
If you're running your server on Linux, I've got a perl script that will shut down the server after a particular time if no player's are currently playing. If they are, it tries again later. Before shutting down, it displays a warning on each player. http://www.thespicers.net/slim.html#misc

Max


I can do wake-on-lan, how, and if so, is there a way to add a shutdown
command as well?

dean
2005-10-25, 16:34
Ten degrees.

On Oct 25, 2005, at 3:33 PM, DrNic wrote:
> What is the recline angle like Slim Guru's??

Maditude
2005-10-25, 17:29
Very cool design, guys!

stinkingpig
2005-10-25, 17:30
Pat Farrell wrote:

>On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 13:01 -0700, jtfields wrote:
>
>
>>kdf Wrote:
>>
>>
>>>That's the problem with the new height of the SB3. Too tall to leave
>>>room for the pony any more.
>>>
>>>
>>I'm not sure I undserstand the moaning and groaning about the height.
>>At 3.7 inches tall that's less than 2 inches taller than the
>>Squeezebox2 and not exactly a towering piece of equipment. Most of the
>>components in my A/V system are taller than that.
>>
>>
>
>It is a personal design/space concern. Nearly all A/V receivers are
>tall. All the old VCR and cassette drives were tall.
>Modern DVD players are getting flatter each years. I haven't had
>a VCR or cassette deck in my living room in more than a decade, and
>haven't had a CD player since I got my first SB.
>
>
>
For my mantelpiece the new design is fine. For my office, the SB sits on
top of the amp, whereas the cat likes to sit on top of the SB. The old
design SB scooches forward a bit, but the new design will topple and
crash to the floor. Repeat a few times and the score is Old design 1,
New design 0.

I'm sure my cat wasn't in Fred Bould's design criteria though. For
future reference, his consulting rates are quite reasonable (Raymond's,
not Fred Bould's).

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture!
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin
so across the Western ocean I must wander" -- trad.

Mark.Bennett
2005-10-26, 00:35
On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:42 -0600, Kirk Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> On 10/25/05, dean blackketter <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
> Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest
> inventory
> remaining and they are still available from our order page at
> a
> discount.
>
> When this stock runs out, that's it.
>
>
>
> That's too bad. While I like the new design, I still also need a
> horizontal design that will fit in my stereo cabinet conveniently.
>
> Given that the Squeezebox is only usable when connected to a stereo,
> the new vertical form factor seems odd to me when presented as the
> only offering. As an alternate choice, yes, but as the only product?
>
> I guess I'll be searching ebay for my next Slim Devices
> purchase ... :-(

Unfortunately I also have the same view. At the moment my SB's
are all in racks/spaces where a higher form factor wouldn't work.

I love the Squeezebox (1 sb1, 2 sb2's, further three contemplated
for next year when building work is done, home demos leading to
at least 5 other purchases...). Still, EBay will be cheaper than
buying them new.

It's not such a big deal for the SB3, since it doesn't add any
features over the SB2, and I can be confident that any firmware
advances will also apply to my existing SB2's.

However, the SB4 next year (start the rumours already) will
probably follow the new form factor, and if it adds new features
I'll miss out.

Also, I guess that the new vertical board arrangement with
right-angle sockets would make it hard to re-case in a lower profile
box without replacing the sockets.

--
"The biggest problem encountered while trying to design a system that
was completely foolproof, was, that people tended to underestimate the
ingenuity of complete fools." (Douglas Adams)

jonolumb
2005-10-26, 03:31
Am I right in thinking that except the linear power supply, the hardware in my squeezebox2 is not outdated at all by this new model and so people will keep updating it?
Also, has squeezenetwork been enabled for the wma audio now?
Jono

mherger
2005-10-26, 03:41
> Am I right in thinking that except the linear power supply, the hardware
> in my squeezebox2 is not outdated at all by this new model and so people
> will keep updating it?
> Also, has squeezenetwork been enabled for the wma audio now?

Both questions have been answered many times: yes and very soon (next few
days)

--

Michael

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DrNic
2005-10-26, 09:43
Ten degrees.

On Oct 25, 2005, at 3:33 PM, DrNic wrote:
> What is the recline angle like Slim Guru's??

Thank you Dean!

Nic

jackaninny
2005-10-26, 10:00
i REALLY don't get it. are people's panties in a twist about their stereo cabinets not being the right size or slim changing the case of their unit?

PEOPLE! buy a new cabinet if it's a problem - the bestbuy-chrome-metal-tube-and-glass cabinet you bought in the 80's needs to be updated anyway. better yet get rid of the tape deck vcr you use once a month we recently made these breakthroughs using space shuttle technology called music cds and dvds.

if all else fails take notice that the new case looks nice enough to...>horror-of-all-horrors>...put it ON TOP OF your stupid cabinet!

i've put my order in for a sb3 just to spite all of the whining little b!tches with 'cabinet problems' - if i hear one more complaint i'm taking a sledgehammer to my sb2 and i'll post the pictures here just to rub it in your face that there is one less sb2 available to solve your earth-shattering-music-experience-ending problems.

NOW i feel better :-)


On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 11:42 -0600, Kirk Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> On 10/25/05, dean blackketter <dean (AT) slimdevices (DOT) com> wrote:
> Production has been stopped on SB2. We have a modest
> inventory
> remaining and they are still available from our order page at
> a
> discount.
>
> When this stock runs out, that's it.
>
>
>
> That's too bad. While I like the new design, I still also need a
> horizontal design that will fit in my stereo cabinet conveniently.
>
> Given that the Squeezebox is only usable when connected to a stereo,
> the new vertical form factor seems odd to me when presented as the
> only offering. As an alternate choice, yes, but as the only product?
>
> I guess I'll be searching ebay for my next Slim Devices
> purchase ... :-(

Unfortunately I also have the same view. At the moment my SB's
are all in racks/spaces where a higher form factor wouldn't work.

I love the Squeezebox (1 sb1, 2 sb2's, further three contemplated
for next year when building work is done, home demos leading to
at least 5 other purchases...). Still, EBay will be cheaper than
buying them new.

It's not such a big deal for the SB3, since it doesn't add any
features over the SB2, and I can be confident that any firmware
advances will also apply to my existing SB2's.

However, the SB4 next year (start the rumours already) will
probably follow the new form factor, and if it adds new features
I'll miss out.

Also, I guess that the new vertical board arrangement with
right-angle sockets would make it hard to re-case in a lower profile
box without replacing the sockets.

--
"The biggest problem encountered while trying to design a system that
was completely foolproof, was, that people tended to underestimate the
ingenuity of complete fools." (Douglas Adams)

mattybain
2005-10-26, 10:26
I know (hope?) you were only being humerous but calm down a little bit!!

Whilst it does seem that many people do seem to be very upset that the new release was not the hi-fi sized component they had wanted it is kinda understandable given the lack of warning of the SB2's demise.

It must be frustrating if you had a specific project in mind and now it will not be possible. SB2's are going to be hard to find as many suppliers are already running out of stock and trawling e-bay is always a risk some are not willing to take.

I for one do not understand why the production of SB2's cant continue but then I do not understand the business, can't see what is ultimately planned or understand the impact that having 8 different product lines could have on a small company like Slimdevices.

bishopdonmiguel
2005-10-26, 10:34
> if all else fails take notice that the new case looks nice
> enough to...>horror-of-all-horrors>...put it ON TOP OF your
> stupid cabinet!

Well, consider that not everyone wants to see the unit regardless of how nice it looks. Personally, "looks" are near irrelavent and I'd prefer the SB to be nearly hidden except the only part that really matters, the display. But it's all subjective so let people express themselves.

On that note, while the SB3 looks real nifty and Mac-like (yes, that's a compliment), I finally put two-and-two together and realized why it's just not for me. Looks too much like my DSC alarm panel...

jmpage2
2005-10-26, 10:37
In all likelihood we will see a $50 price decrease on the SB3 in less than a month, to spur more sales for the holiday season. Right now it is in Slim Devices best interest to keep the price slightly inflated on the SB3 to help spur the sale of the remaining inventory of SB2s that are out there. Let's face it, an SB2 can be had for under $200 and is functionally identical to SB3.

Personally I would expect to see a $50 price drop for the Xmas selling season and potentially another $20 price drop or coupon to bring the price down further early next year.

Competition right now is very stiff and the Roku is priced much lower than any Slim product. Slim is far superior but it's a competitive market they are dealing in and they don't have the exposure that the Roku stuff does.

Joe Craig
2005-10-26, 12:05
> kinda understandable given the lack of warning of the SB2's demise.

You've GOT to be kidding. Slim cut the price of the SB2 by $50 some
time ago. If that didn't tell you anything, all of the speculating
here should have!

> SB2's are going to be hard to find
Well, if you really want and SB2, buy several now. When the supply
dries up, sell the ones that you don't want at inflated prices on
EBay.

> I for one do not understand why the production of SB2's cant continue
> but then I do not understand the business, can't see what is ultimately
> planned or understand the impact that having 8 different product lines
> could have on a small company like Slimdevices.

Then it's not worth your speculating. A small company has enough of a
challenge keeping one product line going. How many other (and even
bigger) companies have entered and left the 'networked music player'
business in the time frame that Slim Devices has not only stayed in
business, but has produced three generations of hardware?

The Slim folks clearly are doing something right! I'm not going to
quibble about their business model. Their success speaks to that.

--


Joe

Join me at CompuFest, June 23-25, 2006, Reno, NV
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mattybain
2005-10-26, 12:31
Sorry, should of said the lack of warning of the SB2's form factor demise, it was obvious a new model was coming out.

And not everyone is rich enough to be able to buy several (or even one) now.

Joe Craig
2005-10-26, 12:40
> And not everyone is rich enough to be able to buy several (or even one)
> now.

Absolutely true!
--


Joe

Join me at CompuFest, June 23-25, 2006, Reno, NV
Investment Education at its Best!
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stinkingpig
2005-10-26, 16:40
mattybain wrote:

>I know (hope?) you were only being humerous but calm down a little bit!!
>
>
<spelling-nazi>
I think you meant he's being humerus
(http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/humerus?view=uk).
</spelling-nazi>

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle Dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture!
"I spent all me tin with the ladies drinking gin
so across the Western ocean I must wander" -- trad.

MrC
2005-10-26, 17:14
mattybain wrote:
>[/color]
<spelling-nazi>
I think you meant he's being humerus
(http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/humerus?view=uk).
</spelling-nazi>


Huh? He's being an arm bone?

Dave D
2005-10-27, 18:06
i REALLY don't get it. are people's panties in a twist about their stereo cabinets not being the right size or slim changing the case of their unit?

PEOPLE! buy a new cabinet if it's a problem - the bestbuy-chrome-metal-tube-and-glass cabinet you bought in the 80's needs to be updated anyway. better yet get rid of the tape deck vcr you use once a month we recently made these breakthroughs using space shuttle technology called music cds and dvds.

if all else fails take notice that the new case looks nice enough to...>horror-of-all-horrors>...put it ON TOP OF your stupid cabinet!

i've put my order in for a sb3 just to spite all of the whining little b!tches with 'cabinet problems' - if i hear one more complaint i'm taking a sledgehammer to my sb2 and i'll post the pictures here just to rub it in your face that there is one less sb2 available to solve your earth-shattering-music-experience-ending problems.

NOW i feel better :-)


I think the new design is TOO TALL!

Heh-heh...I just want to see your smashed SB2 pics ;)

Let's see. It's 3.7" tall. My Panasonic receiver is short and it's 4.2 inches tall. My DVD player is 3" tall, and it currently shares the shelf with my SB2 (on top), at about 2" tall. The new design is 0.1" too tall to fit on top of the DVD player (whine!). (Is that SB2 smashed yet by the way?)

You know, I have so few components any more that two shelves now hold pictures or whatever. The new SB3 could sit right there, nice and pretty. But my SB2 is not so old...my wife would not understand.

Anyway, if you don't like it, don't buy it. I do feel kind of bad for those folks who just bought the SB2, though (if they like the SB3).

Oh, by the way, the old SB2's screen is slanted back too. Not sure by how much, but it is, take a look! Maybe 10 degrees won't make much of a difference in visibility.

ianjohnson_nz
2005-10-28, 22:43
[QUOTE=stinkingpig]mattybain wrote:

>I know (hope?) you were only being humerous but calm down a little bit!!
>
>
<spelling-nazi>
I think you meant he's being humerus
(http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/humerus?view=uk).
</spelling-nazi>

Humerus? Are you joking? (As in funny bone.) Otherwise it's humorous you're after m'dear... refer http://www.askoxford.com/betterwriting/spelling/?view=uk about half way down...

Love the new SB, even if I did just buy a SB2 a week ago. Still I got a good deal so no complaints from me.

mikerob
2005-10-29, 05:53
Well, I saw the SB3 at the Mac Expo show in London today and I have got to say when you actually see it in real life, it definitely looks better than the SB2 (in my opinion). While the SB3 design is understated, I thought it made more of a visual impact than the SB2 which looks more and more like a clock radio every time I look at it after having seen the SB3.

A friend and I both put in an order for a black SB3 at the show!

kefa
2005-11-04, 07:30
also saw the SB3 at MacExpo and was very impressed in the flesh. Already have two on order via the slimdevices website!

Also good to catch up with Patrick Colsson (SD Marketing VP) who hinted at the roadmap/sales figures but wouldn't give away anything concrete. The only thing he did talk about was bringing in additional colours for Christmas time.

Michaelwagner
2005-11-04, 07:53
bringing in additional colours for Christmas time.A Red & Green Squeezebox?

patrick
2005-11-04, 11:08
Hey,

I did not mean to imply that we would release more colors before Christmas.
If I left you with that impression, I apologize.

We have our hands full with white and black.

Cheers,

Patrick

---
Patrick Cosson
V-P, Sales & Marketing
Slim Devices, Inc.
415-359-7407 cell
413-638-5248 efax

"The Squeezebox is made by people who truly love digital music, and powered
by open-source software that plays almost any music or internet radio
format...It looks gorgeous."

Hot Stuff | STUFF UK online | 25 Oct 2005

>
>> From: kefa <kefa.1xz88b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>
>> Date: November 4, 2005 6:30:31 AM PST
>> To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
>> Subject: [slim] Re: Announce: Third-generation Squeezebox,
>> SlimServer 6.2
>> Reply-To: Slim Devices Discussion <discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com>
>>
>> ...
>> Also good to catch up with Patrick Colsson (SD Marketing VP) who
>> hinted
>> at the roadmap/sales figures but wouldn't give away anything concrete.
>> The only thing he did talk about was bringing in additional colours
>> for
>> Christmas time.
>

Michaelwagner
2005-11-04, 12:00
I did not mean to imply that we would release more colors before Christmas.You know what happens now, Patrick? Colour Squeezeboxen become the new pony (popcorn button) (until the next one comes along).

gharris999
2005-11-14, 14:48
Thanks, that should be fixed now.

On Oct 24, 2005, at 5:46 PM, gharris999 wrote:

>
> There's a little bug on your web order form. When you select the
> white,
> wireless SB3, the order details page labels it as a wired SB3. It
> charges the right price, though.
>
>
> --
> gharris999
>

So...umm...what exactly is the "comments" section on the order form for? This is what I put in comments:



I'm a slave to you guys. I keep trying to select the WIRELESS
white SB3, but the order keeps comming up WIRED...the price is
right, though. Just so there's no mistake: I'm ordering 1 Black
wireless SB3 and 1 White wireless SB3. Thanks.

Guess what? You guys shipped me a black wireless and a white wired Squeezebox. I guess whoever reviewed the order didn't make it past the flattery. (And also didn't notice I was charged for two wireless products.)

Michaelwagner
2005-11-14, 19:29
gharris999: you probably should write to the sales email address ... it isn't for sure that the right people will find your comments here stuck on the end of an old thread.


If you believe you have mistyped any portion of your order, please e-mail sales@slimdevices.com so we can correct it before it is shipped.

gharris999
2005-11-14, 22:39
Never fear, Michaelwagner, I've already spoken to the sales folks and I have an RMA for the white-wired one. I was just indulging in a little snarkiness here.

y1yWho3
2005-11-27, 21:53
A w e s o m e !

Michaelwagner
2005-11-30, 19:44
at 6PM yesterday evening, I got this:


Dear Michael,

Thank you for placing an order with Slim Devices.

We have authorized your credit card but we will not charge it until the order ships. At that time, you will receive an email with your tracking number from UPS's QuantumView service.
I didn't get my tracking number yet, but this morning, around noon, a package arrived from Slim Devices.

I guess time runs backwards in California. First I get the package and later I get the tracking number...

I must say how impressed I am. This crossed a border and everything and got here in a day? Wow!

Of course, I haven't opened the box yet (just got home), but I'm pretty sure I wasn't expecting anything else from Slim ...

mflint
2005-12-01, 06:30
Of course, I haven't opened the box yet (just got home), but I'm pretty sure I wasn't expecting anything else from Slim ...
That's weird... I'm sure when I (eventually) buy a Squeezebox, the package will be ripped open before I even remove my coat. I'll certainly not be posting here first! ;-)

Khuli
2005-12-01, 07:31
I did not mean to imply that we would release more colors before Christmas.
....
We have our hands full with white and black.


Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured cases available to purchase?

Hmm, now there's an idea... any plastics manufacturers here? ;)

Michaelwagner
2005-12-01, 10:51
Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured cases available to purchase?
skins, like the cell phones now have.

Michaelwagner
2005-12-04, 21:23
New Slim reviews here:
http://www.modthebox.com/
(near the bottom of the page)
and here:
http://www.thinkcomputers.org/v2/index.php?x=reviews&id=294

stinkingpig
2005-12-04, 21:38
>
> Khuli Wrote:
>> Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured
>> cases available to purchase?
> skins, like the cell phones now have.
>
>

or a skin in a can, :-)
http://krylon.com/main/product_template.cfm?levelid=5&sub_levelid=10&content=product_list

--
Jack At Monkeynoodle.Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"Believe what you're told; there'd be chaos if everyone thought for
themselves." -- Top Dog hotdog stand, Berkeley, CA

Khuli
2005-12-05, 02:59
>
>
>> Might be an idea to build them in black/white only, but have coloured
>> cases available to purchase?
> skins, like the cell phones now have.
>
>

or a skin in a can, :-)
http://krylon.com/main/product_template.cfm?levelid=5&sub_levelid=10&content=product_list


Which just goes to show that not all technical problems have a technical solution!

topcarsales
2006-03-08, 17:47
Is there a simple way to update slimserver from v6.2.1 to v6.2.2
Or do I have to unstall the old version and reinstall the new?

dean
2006-03-08, 18:13
On Mar 8, 2006, at 4:47 PM, topcarsales wrote:
> Is there a simple way to update slimserver from v6.2.1 to v6.2.2
> Or do I have to unstall the old version and reinstall the new?
You should be able to install 6.2.2 right over 6.2.1 without any
install.