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Philip Meyer
2005-10-22, 14:18
I tried asking about this in the Ripping list, but got no responses, so I thought I'd open it up to a wider audience...

What do people think the best way is to tag tracks such as "Twista feat Kanya West & Jamie Foxx"?

I currently have a few of these tracks with the whole string entered in a single ARTIST tag. I'd like to tag them as separate artists, with associated ARTISTSORT tags.

Eg. I could enter the example above as:

ARTIST = "Twista;Kanya West;Jamie Foxx"
ARTISTSORT = "Twista;West, Kanya;Foxx, Jamie"

I think this is a little better. However, this would mean I am losing the information that associates the 2nd and 3rd atists as "featuring" artists; browsing the entry would list the artist as "Twister and Kanya West and Jamie Foxx". I wondered if there is a tag for listing the "featuring" artists? I've seen an INVOLVEDPERSONS tag - but I guess there's no specific support for the tag in SlimServer, or an associated SORT tag.

Perhaps as an enhancement, a special character after the separator character could indicate to SlimServer to use "feat." instead of "and" as separator text? Eg. something like ARTIST = "Twista;+Kanya West;Jamie Foxx"

I'm also thinking that the featured artists shouldn't be listed in Browse Artists, unless they are also in the library as an "album artist" - like how teh new various artist logic works.

What should I do? How have others organised their tags?

Phil

Howard Darwen
2005-10-22, 15:32
there's no easy solution as far as i can see. i use the same method as you -
put everything in the ARTIST tag. you could split the artists out like you
say, but after a lot of thought i came to the conclusion that putting
everything in the one tag was the most sensible - and it comes up as a
selection in an artist search anyway. also, there are other examples of
similar situations: use of "presents" and "versus" for example:

"Lenny Fontana pres. Cassioware"
"Cracked Logic vs. Zed's Ded"

you'd need solutions for all of them, not to mention occasional use of
"with" and even "showcases". and things can get really out of control when
multiple use comes into play - e.g. my all time favourite:

"Blaze pres. Underground Dance Artists United For Life feat. Barbara
Tucker"

thx.

h.

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I tried asking about this in the Ripping list, but got no responses, so I
thought I'd open it up to a wider audience...

What do people think the best way is to tag tracks such as "Twista feat
Kanya West & Jamie Foxx"?

I currently have a few of these tracks with the whole string entered in a
single ARTIST tag. I'd like to tag them as separate artists, with
associated ARTISTSORT tags.

Eg. I could enter the example above as:

ARTIST = "Twista;Kanya West;Jamie Foxx"
ARTISTSORT = "Twista;West, Kanya;Foxx, Jamie"

I think this is a little better. However, this would mean I am losing the
information that associates the 2nd and 3rd atists as "featuring" artists;
browsing the entry would list the artist as "Twister and Kanya West and
Jamie Foxx". I wondered if there is a tag for listing the "featuring"
artists? I've seen an INVOLVEDPERSONS tag - but I guess there's no specific
support for the tag in SlimServer, or an associated SORT tag.

Perhaps as an enhancement, a special character after the separator character
could indicate to SlimServer to use "feat." instead of "and" as separator
text? Eg. something like ARTIST = "Twista;+Kanya West;Jamie Foxx"

I'm also thinking that the featured artists shouldn't be listed in Browse
Artists, unless they are also in the library as an "album artist" - like how
teh new various artist logic works.

What should I do? How have others organised their tags?

Phil

mikerob
2005-10-22, 16:09
Howie - that title only has a "pres." and a "feat." - I managed to find a couple with a "&" a "vs." and a "pres." -"Jay-J & Chris Lum vs. DJ Chus pres. The Groove Foundation"

I put everything in the ARTIST tag...

Philip Meyer
2005-10-23, 01:17
>I put everything in the ARTIST tag...
The only problem is I have loads of remixes of tracks etc that means the Browse by Artists list has many single-track entries.

I think for now I'll split into multiple ARTIST tags (using the multi-tag delimiter). At least that way artists are grouped together, although the artist name when a track is playing or submitted to AudioScrobbler isn't correct.

Eg. I have the following:

Move On Through by Rhythm Method feat. Denise Gordon
Falling For You by Contract Chillers feat. Denise Gordon
Body Rock by Marcelus Johnson feat. Denise Gordon

If I split these into multiple artists, at least I could easily locate any music that Denise Gordon has been an artist on. I also have a song by Rhythm Method, so that is appearing as a separate artist. I can't currently browse all songs by Rhythm Method; I have to perform a search instead, and then the results aren't sorted.

That was a small example - it becomes more necessary to get the tags right when I start thinking about my Fripp and Eno collaborators!

Phil