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MeSue
2005-10-19, 11:18
I'd love to hear more (probably on a separate thread) about your "I want a Squeezebox boombox" signature.
Well, first some history… before I bought a Squeezebox, I started by looking for a network music player with built-in speakers. I wanted to use it primarily in the bedroom and outside (poolside), but also have the choice of connecting it to my sound system in the living room (where I rarely listen to music). That left me with only two choices… something from Linksys which got terrible reviews, and the MacSense HomePod. (Both are only 802.11b wireless.) Despite the mediocre reviews of HomePad, I decided to try it. Well it was awful… worthless speakers, terrible screen, crapped out all the time, etc. Look up my review on Amazon if you want to know the details.

After that experience I went to the Squeezebox2. It was more than I wanted to spend, but it got such good reviews I decided to go for it once I knew I could use it with PC speakers for the bedroom where I didn't have a home stereo. It works for the bedroom beautifully (aside from some headphone jack issues which are still being resolved), but I still can't conveniently use it outside or in other rooms of the house. I'm stuck burning MP3 discs and lugging around a heavy, clunky boombox to use out by the pool. :-(

What I would love is something as good as the Squeezebox2 but with (decent!) built-in speakers and a single power plug. I personally don't have a need to use it on battery power, but it would be a nice option. This way I could use the box in any room of the house, even where there is no home stereo to connect to. THAT is what I would call plug and play! Of course it should also have audio outputs for connecting to a home stereo when one is available.

max.spicer
2005-10-19, 11:36
Very much yes! I had wondered what a boombox was. I don't want something with huge speakers and a built in sub, which is what a boombox sounds like to me. However, if you're talking about something like a portable tape/radio/cd device, but with the tape/radio/cd replaced by a squeezebox then count me in! Being able to move something around the house at will would be fantastic. Likewise, I'm not bothered about battery support - I have plugs all around the house, and I'm unlikely to have a wireless network present when I'm somewhere without a plug. When I mentioned to my wife about the rumours of a new device being mooted on these forums, this was exactly what she hoped the new device would be, and that's independently of this new thread.

Max


Well, first some history… before I bought a Squeezebox, I started by looking for a network music player with built-in speakers. I wanted to use it primarily in the bedroom and outside (poolside), but also have the choice of connecting it to my sound system in the living room (where I rarely listen to music). That left me with only two choices… something from Linksys which got terrible reviews, and the MacSense HomePod. (Both are only 802.11b wireless.) Despite the mediocre reviews of HomePad, I decided to try it. Well it was awful… worthless speakers, terrible screen, crapped out all the time, etc. Look up my review on Amazon if you want to know the details.

After that experience I went to the Squeezebox2. It was more than I wanted to spend, but it got such good reviews I decided to go for it once I knew I could use it with PC speakers for the bedroom where I didn't have a home stereo. It works for the bedroom beautifully (aside from some headphone jack issues which are still being resolved), but I still can't conveniently use it outside or in other rooms of the house. I'm stuck burning MP3 discs and lugging around a heavy, clunky boombox to use out by the pool. :-(

What I would love is something as good as the Squeezebox2 but with (decent!) built-in speakers and a single power plug. I personally don't have a need to use it on battery power, but it would be a nice option. This way I could use the box in any room of the house, even where there is no home stereo to connect to. THAT is what I would call plug and play! Of course it should also have audio outputs for connecting to a home stereo when one is available.

mattybain
2005-10-19, 11:43
I would love this, the ability to play music in any room of the house on a whim would be great, especially for those long summer evenings BBQing outside !! (yeah right, see location!)

I suspect one issue would be cost, I wonder how much cutting down on some of the outputs and also potentially a smaller display would be offset by the speakers, amplifier etc.

Tim Winders
2005-10-19, 11:51
What a great idea. Yes, I'm definitely interested!

MeSue
2005-10-19, 12:10
Another idea would be to offer a separate, attachable speaker accessory that is custom designed to attach to the Squeezebox and share the same power adapter (maybe daisy-chained for power?). Actually, that would be even better than an entirely new hardware unit!

sleepysurf
2005-10-19, 12:25
I just got my 2nd SB2 for my bedroom, and am using an old pair of powered Sony speakers (SRS-100) via the headphone out. Sounds fantastic. IMHO, a boom box would be too bulky, and not offer much speaker separation. There are lots of compact powered speakers on the market that would work equally well.

MeSue
2005-10-19, 12:43
Of course powered speakers will work, but this is about being portable. If I want to use my SB2 outside, using your suggestion, I would have to carry:
1 Squeezebox
1 remote
2 speakers
2 power bricks
speaker cables
… and then find a power outlet with 2 plugs, connect everything, and then break it all down when I want to locations again. Not gonna happen.

JJZolx
2005-10-19, 12:54
I think an amp/SB combo might be a worthwhile product for Slim Devices to pursue - just add an inexpensive (or expensive) set of speakers and you have a complete system. But built in speakers? Nah.

Boomboxes are portable, but a Squeezebox boombox would only be portable within the network where it can talk to a SlimServer. You couldn't take it to the beach, for example, without also taking a laptop to run SlimServer. Squeezenetwork is a possibility, but it requires a 'net connection, also hampering portability. That makes an SB boombox a very expensive product with limited utility.

mattybain
2005-10-19, 13:09
Yes I appreciate that but I just want to be able to use it around the house, in the kitchen if doing some heavy duty cooking, utility room if ironing, back garden if the weather is nice, garage if I am tinkering - you get the picture.

I don't want lots of wires or effort, just a portable device that has one plug and that sounds reasonably good.

mapper
2005-10-19, 13:22
This guy did, back in SLIMP3 days: http://www.olsontribe.com/slimp3/

sleepysurf
2005-10-19, 13:33
Well, Roku is already offering a table radio version of their Soundbridge, though I don't believe it currently supports Slimserver. Might wander over to their forums to inquire <g>.

Actually, something like a "sled" with self-contained amp/speakers/power that the SB2 "docks" into would be cool!

MeSue
2005-10-19, 13:48
Actually, something like a "sled" with self-contained amp/speakers/power that the SB2 "docks" into would be cool!

Yes, that's kind of what I was thinking of in message #5 of this thread. The more I think about it, the more I like that idea better. The SlimDock! Maybe SlimSanta will bring one… ;-)

Nick Silberstein
2005-10-19, 16:37
MeSue wrote:
> Of course powered speakers will work, but this is about being portable.
> If I want to use my SB2 outside, using your suggestion, I would have to
> carry:
> 1 Squeezebox
> 1 remote
> 2 speakers
> 2 power bricks
> speaker cables
> … and then find a power outlet with 2 plugs, connect everything, and
> then break it all down when I want to locations again. Not gonna
> happen.

DIY! :) You could do something like the nice wooden case recently
posted, or alternatively, purchase or re-use a milk crate or box or 5
gallon bucket or Millenium Falcon or...

Crate permanently contains:
2 speakers
2 power bricks (Squeezebox one is extra ordered from Slimdevices site)
1 remote
speaker cables
power strip/y adapter

If the power bricks and power strip are zip-tied to the side of the milk
crate or kept in a false bottom (place sheet of black cardboard on top
with a small hole cut for headphone and power connector) of a box,
things are kept tidy.

When you want to use the Squeezebox outside away from your stereo,
unplug the power cable and speaker connections, and place the Squeezebox
in the conveniently stored crate. Connect speakers to headphone jack,
plug power cable into Squeezebox.

Carry your one item (crate) outside, extract squeezebox and speakers (if
desired; speakers could be embedded/attached to the box, and a window or
hole could be put in for the Squeezebox display/IR), arrange as desired,
plug power strip into outdoor outlet or extension cable. Presto! ;)

This method is not as "elegant" as a all-in-one factory unit, but also
keeps your Squeezebox available for use inside without sticking an ugly
boombox on the shelf.

Nick

--
Nick Silberstein
Senior Developer
Flying Machine Development, Inc.

MeSue
2005-10-19, 17:10
DIY! :)
Believe me, I've thought about it! I guess I'd like something nicer looking than what I could cobble together. But if SlimSanta doesn't bring the SlimDock by next summer, I might take a stab at it.

stinkingpig
2005-10-19, 17:44
sleepysurf wrote:
....> Actually, something like a "sled" with self-contained
> amp/speakers/power that the SB2 "docks" into would be cool!
>
>

good call, that would be quite nice:

()_=_()

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower." -- The Talking Heads

snarlydwarf
2005-10-19, 18:11
Or use a somewhat heftier boombox (one of those with detachable speakers), especially one with a top-mounted cd or tape drive. Rip out the cd/tape, dremel a cut-out ledge for the sb2, and use the power supply and amp of the boombox.

If it wasn't miserable and wet here, I might do that for music outside.. or maybe it will get so miserable and wet it will be a winter project...

(The office needs an sb2 now, too.. softsqueeze is nice, sure, but it's not as stable as a real sb2... :))

David A. Chappel
2005-10-19, 20:47
A second sqeezy would fit nicely on top of one of these:

http://www.cambridgesoundworks.com/store/category.cgi?category=aud_radio&item=c174rczzz

Cheers,
-d





On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 11:18 -0700, MeSue wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
> results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?
>
> - I'm interested.
> - No, thanks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> dean Wrote:
> > I'd love to hear more (probably on a separate thread) about your "I
> > want a Squeezebox boombox" signature.
> Well, first some history before I bought a Squeezebox, I started by
> looking for a network music player with built-in speakers. I wanted to
> use it primarily in the bedroom and outside (poolside), but also have
> the choice of connecting it to my sound system in the living room
> (where I rarely listen to music). That left me with only two choices
> something from Linksys which got terrible reviews, and the MacSense
> HomePod. (Both are only 802.11b wireless.) Despite the mediocre reviews
> of HomePad, I decided to try it. Well it was awful worthless speakers,
> terrible screen, crapped out all the time, etc. Look up my review on
> Amazon if you want to know the details.
>
> After that experience I went to the Squeezebox2. It was more than I
> wanted to spend, but it got such good reviews I decided to go for it
> once I knew I could use it with PC speakers for the bedroom where I
> didn't have a home stereo. It works for the bedroom beautifully (aside
> from some headphone jack issues which are still being resolved), but I
> still can't conveniently use it outside or in other rooms of the house.
> I'm stuck burning MP3 discs and lugging around a heavy, clunky boombox
> to use out by the pool. :-(
>
> What I would love is something as good as the Squeezebox2 but with
> (decent!) built-in speakers and a single power plug. I personally don't
> have a need to use it on battery power, but it would be a nice option.
> This way I could use the box in any room of the house, even where there
> is no home stereo to connect to. THAT is what I would call plug and
> play! Of course it should also have audio outputs for connecting to a
> home stereo when one is available.
>
>

CardinalFang
2005-10-20, 02:30
Yes, that's kind of what I was thinking of in message #5 of this thread. The more I think about it, the more I like that idea better. The SlimDock! Maybe SlimSanta will bring one… ;-)

Like this you mean? http://www.my-noxon.com/noxonfamilie/index_e.html

Just announced, but would't be for me as there's no lossless support so I'd have to have two libraries of music..

ultra238a
2005-10-20, 03:24
Has anybody had a look at the Saitek Audio A250? (www.saitekaudio.com)

Nice design but uses Bluetooth 2 instead of WiFi. That would be a cool design to get the SB mainboard into.

The audio side of things has been designed and tuned by Mission in the UK.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

MKS
2005-10-20, 04:23
Sonic Impact make some very neat kit, including the Class T amp - highly regarded by the audiophile community and only $39. This combined with portable speakers and an SB2... Or their new Si-5 speakers...

ianjohnson_nz
2005-10-20, 04:48
I've just bought a sb2 after researching it for ages, and I love it. I too wanted a small system in addition to the separates hifi I've already got.

So I bought a JVC EX-A1 as well. Small attractive head unit with DVD Audio/Video and CD audio, astonishing sound for the size of the speakers and the price (GBP260) - and RCA input!

Perfect. My platinum sb2 looks the part on top of the system, all looks like it is one unit.

I think SB2 is fantastic. Love the AlienBBC plugin as well. Thanks to all the developers who contributed.

stinkingpig
2005-10-20, 06:18
CardinalFang wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
> results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?
>
> - I'm interested.
> - No, thanks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> MeSue Wrote:
>
>>Yes, that's kind of what I was thinking of in message #5 of this thread.
>>The more I think about it, the more I like that idea better. The
>>SlimDock! Maybe SlimSanta will bring one… ;-)
>
>
> Like this you mean? http://www.my-noxon.com/noxonfamilie/index_e.html
>
> Just announced, but would't be for me as there's no lossless support so
> I'd have to have two libraries of music..
>
>

that built-in fm tuner is critical for spousal approval in my house.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower." -- The Talking Heads

blacklaw
2005-10-20, 07:57
Couldn't this be acheived using an existing Squeezebox/Slimp3, FM transmitter (e.g. like the one's for MP3 players and cars) and a wifi capable PDA?

Marc Sherman
2005-10-20, 09:02
CardinalFang wrote:
>
> Like this you mean? http://www.my-noxon.com/noxonfamilie/index_e.html
>
> Just announced, but would't be for me as there's no lossless support so
> I'd have to have two libraries of music..

I'd be wary of their localization to english, though...

> Five languages stand to the selection, under it naturally German and
> English. The NOXON merges itself problem-free into your existing
> Wireless LAN network and is compatible to the two usual standards
> 802.11b and 802.11g.

- Marc

MeSue
2005-10-20, 09:12
You all have some interesting ideas, but there is a certain appeal to a self-contained unit, or an attachable speaker accessory that simulates a self-contained unit. I don't understand why the idea of a self-contained unit garners such opposition, but I'm still going to be on the lookout for one whether it's from Slim Devices or not. The Saitek Audio A-250 comes close… too bad it's Bluetooth and can't be controlled from a remote.

Let me repeat for good measure… the desire is for a self-contained unit.

superbad
2005-10-20, 09:39
A few more case ideas with matching speaker / battery boxes. I am definitely scrapping the clock radio case as soon as I decide which one I actually want. I also want a boombox version, so I would probably do a speaker case of some kind too.

The tough part with docking the current product onto a portable speaker unit is that you need to run wires on the outside. Ugly. Some kind of docking port on the bottom would be ideal. I'm not sure if that's possible with the old geek connector thing.

ianjohnson_nz
2005-10-20, 14:34
You all have some interesting ideas, but there is a certain appeal to a self-contained unit, or an attachable speaker accessory that simulates a self-contained unit. I don't understand why the idea of a self-contained unit garners such opposition, but I'm still going to be on the lookout for one whether it's from Slim Devices or not. The Saitek Audio A-250 comes close… too bad it's Bluetooth and can't be controlled from a remote.

Let me repeat for good measure… the desire is for a self-contained unit.

It's not that it garners opposition; you asked who else would want one & I like some others gave my opinion, which was, on balance, no I wouldn't. I can see the benefits but it's not something I'd choose. I think the point is that there is a certain appeal to a self-contained unit to *you*. So you don't need to repeat for good measure!

stinkingpig
2005-10-20, 22:18
superbad wrote:
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A poll associated with this post was created, to vote and see the
> results, please visit http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?
>
> - I'm interested.
> - No, thanks.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A few more case ideas with matching speaker / battery boxes. I am
> definitely scrapping the clock radio case as soon as I decide which one
> I actually want. I also want a boombox version, so I would probably do a
> speaker case of some kind too.
>
> The tough part with docking the current product onto a portable speaker
> unit is that you need to run wires on the outside. Ugly. Some kind of
> docking port on the bottom would be ideal. I'm not sure if that's
> possible with the old geek connector thing.
>

how you figure? If the docking station includes a power and an optical
plug in the right spots, it's done. Should have a nice pocket for the
remote, too -- otherwise you _are_ talking about geekport interfaces to
make buttons on the chassis work for controlling the stream.

--
Jack at Monkeynoodle dot Org: It's A Scientific Venture...
"If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower." -- The Talking Heads

JJZolx
2005-10-21, 11:38
Well, Roku is already offering a table radio version of their Soundbridge, though I don't believe it currently supports Slimserver. Might wander over to their forums to inquire.
Good idea. Poor execution. First, they decided to exclude a wired Ethernet port. Secondly, the wireless is only 802.11b. I like the addition of the FM radio.

This seems to be exactly the 'boombox' everyone is looking for. If I had one, though, I'd probably just put it on a bedside nightstand and wouldn't be messing with carrying the thing around the house.

Paul Webster
2005-10-21, 12:07
One vendor that has been recommended on here a few times as a speaker supplier ... is about to widen their product range ...

http://www.acoustic-energy.co.uk/contact/radio.html

Not suggesting that it has anywhere as many features as SB2.
Nice looking though - could inspire someone.

JJZolx
2005-10-21, 12:15
One vendor that has been recommended on here a few times as a speaker supplier ... is about to widen their product range ...

http://www.acoustic-energy.co.uk/contact/radio.html

Not suggesting that it has anywhere as many features as SB2.
Nice looking though - could inspire someone.
You're going to see products like this coming out of the woodwork over the next few years. The Squeezebox in its present form is going to become very much a niche product.

autopilot
2005-10-21, 14:58
I voted yes, but I'm not entirely sure i would actually buy one. It would have to be something very special and at the right price. I would prefer to choose my own small form factor AMP and speakers, i think that would ultimately satisfy me more. But it's a great idea and think it would sell well for sure.

mrfantasy
2005-10-21, 16:40
I'm thinking (like the SlimP3 mod) you buy a vintage 80's boombox on eBay, gut it, gut an SB2, get it in the case, replace the speakers and amp circuits with a Sonic Impact and some decent speakers for it, and you've got yourself a nice box. Could probably get it to run on 8 D cells if you had a power converter to drop the 12V down to 5 for the SB2's power input.

It'll cost you probably $400 and would look really cool. If you do it right you could still hook the SB2 to an external amp or use the digital outs.

Pale Blue Ego
2005-10-22, 13:35
I would say, build everything into a nice wooden case, maybe with casters and a handle, like a piece of pro audio gear. Use a great-sounding 2.1 system like the Acoustic Energy AEGO2. Use powerline networking so everything works from 1 AC plug - SB2, AEGO2, and a reliable wired network connection. Then you can plug it in anywhere on your property (even outbuildings) and have full access to your whole collection.

You could do neat stuff like mount the sats on flexible stalks, so you could always position them for the best sound.

MeSue
2005-10-22, 16:14
Kind of funny that the same week I started this thread, this shows up on eBay:

HOMEPOD ADVANCED WI-FI PLAYER WITH INTERGRATED SPEAKERS AND DIGITAL & TERESTRIAL RADIO RECEIVER

Works as per the Soundbridge & squeezebox but has the added feature of being a truely portable device, it does not need to be connected to a set of speakers / 5.1 surround as it has it's own intergarated set.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5821716715

Nice how they stuck Squeezebox in their description… as if there is any comparison.

kolepard
2005-10-23, 19:32
>Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?
>
>- I'm interested.
>- No, thanks.

Interested.
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

Michaelwagner
2005-10-23, 20:54
Kind of funny that the same week I started this thread, this shows up on eBay:
This might be a more useful link:
http://www.macsense.com/product/homepod/

kyleki
2006-01-26, 22:53
This guy did, back in SLIMP3 days: http://www.olsontribe.com/slimp3/
That's exactly what I'd love Slimdevices to provide as a product for us. How awesome! If Slimdevices were to take their proven hardware skills to provide a solution like this with the slick look of their recent Squeezeboxes, I would push women and children out of the way to get my hands on one (not really, but you get the idea). ;-) Heck, it would also be nice to still have a CD player & tuner on the box for when you want to take it out of a hotspot area.

I was seriously considering making my own, but the time and effort I'd have to put into it wouldn't be worth it. Especially since I know my end product wouldn't be anywhere near the quality Slimdevices could put out.

Does anyone know if they're even considering doing this at Slimdevices?

Eagerly waiting,
Kyle

kdf
2006-01-27, 00:12
kyleki wrote:
> Does anyone know if they're even considering doing this at
> Slimdevices?
>
>
nope. it is their policy not to comment on any hardare projects.
-k

EnochLight
2006-01-27, 09:52
I'm on the "need it" side of the fence. I could totally use something like this - an integrated Squeezebox housed with portable amped speakers that runs on batteries (optionally). No CAT5 port needed; just make it 802.11 G and all will be good. On the patio, on my porch, hell - in the bathroom during a shower - I could find use for such a device. Definately a niche product though.

It could be more expensive, but not by much. Since many users might jump ship to such a device if it possesses the same features as the standard SB3, there'd have to be a happy medium.

Perhaps an OLED display (lower power consumption than a vacuum fluorescent), but that may be cost prohibitive until the technology matures at the manufacturing level.

Anyway, as said before it would definately be a niche product - WiFi has it's limits. I'd love to have one though! ;-)

BRB
2006-01-31, 22:33
Just to add my voice to the forum: I would definitely buy a squeezebox with integrated amp and speakers. I have a SB3 connected to my stereo, but, as many have said in this forum, I don't want to have to get speakers + amp + power supplies for every room.

I'll use EnochLight's post as a start for mine (sorry about that 8-).



[...] runs on batteries (optionally).


I haven't made my mind about that completely... But given that the main goal of the boombox would be portability, well, yes, I'd vote on that too. By the way, how about rechargeable batteries? Like a laptop, kind of. I haven't seen that in any other similar product (say, the Roku radio).

One keeps it in the kitchen most of the time, or at least "docks" it there (every night or some such thing), but takes it out to the garden occasionally. No need to worry about batteries running out all the time, stocking extras of the right type, etc.

I wonder what's the feasibility (power consumption) of powering a squeezebox on batteries.



No CAT5 port needed; just make it 802.11 G and all will be good


Agreed.

For a device that would be producing sound in my kitchen, I'd also leave out the high quality sound outputs. Of course it has to sound decent, but that's about it.



It could be more expensive, but not by much. Since many users might jump ship to such a device if it possesses the same features as the standard SB3, there'd have to be a happy medium.


Frankly, I wouldn't want it to be more expensive. And that might be possible without the sound outputs. And I wouldn't either want a boombox with the same features as the SB3. I don't think I'd ever put a significantly larger device on top of or beside my stereo... and then proceed to use the stereo's speakers instead of the built-in ones. For that we already have the SB3.


Bernardo

Mark Lanctot
2006-02-01, 07:15
Now that I'm using one as an alarm clock radio I'm
inclined to agree!

Just something simple. A small class D amp chip
like the Tripath TAA2009 - nice-sounding but
cheap, 9W/ch at 89% efficiency, good for battery
power consumption and average output power for a
"boombox". Good (but inexpensive) speakers in the
4" range, with possibly small tweeters. Simple
but classy aesthetics like a Tivoli radio. A
remote wouldn't be required but there would need
to be some sort of control buttons.

For this use, I wouldn't be interested in
portability/battery power so much as
built-in/included speakers and an amp.

And yes, there's no need for digital or analog
outs. As you indicate, we have the full-blown SB3
for "critical" listening. So Slim can do away
with the S/PDIF circuitry, quartz timers and
high-end DAC.

BRB wrote:
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> A poll associated with this post was created, to
vote and see the
> results, please visit
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=17185
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Question: Who wants a Squeezebox Boombox?
>
> - I'm interested.
> - No, thanks.
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Just to add my voice to the forum: I would
definitely buy a squeezebox
> with integrated amp and speakers. I have a SB3
connected to my stereo,
> but, as many have said in this forum, I don't want
to have to get
> speakers + amp + power supplies for every room.
>
> I'll use EnochLight's post as a start for mine
(sorry about that 8-).
>
> EnochLight Wrote:
>> [...] runs on batteries (optionally).
>>
>
> I haven't made my mind about that completely... But
given that the main
> goal of the boombox would be portability, well, yes,
I'd vote on that
> too. By the way, how about rechargeable batteries?
Like a laptop, kind
> of. I haven't seen that in any other similar product
(say, the Roku
> radio).
>
> One keeps it in the kitchen most of the time, or at
least "docks" it
> there (every night or some such thing), but takes it
out to the garden
> occasionally. No need to worry about batteries
running out all the
> time, stocking extras of the right type, etc.
>
> I wonder what's the feasibility (power consumption)
of powering a
> squeezebox on batteries.
>
> EnochLight Wrote:
>> No CAT5 port needed; just make it 802.11 G and all
will be good
>>
>
> Agreed.
>
> For a device that would be producing sound in my
kitchen, I'd also
> leave out the high quality sound outputs. Of course
it has to sound
> decent, but that's about it.
>
> EnochLight Wrote:
>> It could be more expensive, but not by much. Since
many users might
>> jump ship to such a device if it possesses the same
features as the
>> standard SB3, there'd have to be a happy medium.
>>
>
> Frankly, I wouldn't want it to be more expensive.
And that might be
> possible without the sound outputs. And I wouldn't
either want a
> boombox with the same features as the SB3. I don't
think I'd ever put a
> significantly larger device on top of or beside my
stereo... and then
> proceed to use the stereo's speakers instead of the
built-in ones. For
> that we already have the SB3.
>
>
> Bernardo
>
>

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Michaelwagner
2006-02-01, 08:01
I wonder if someone's power network solution mightn't be better than 802.11 for an alarm clock - boom box kind of thing. Since it's not truly wireless, it's still plugged into the wall, why not use the wall?

ezkcdude
2006-02-01, 08:10
This guy did, back in SLIMP3 days: http://www.olsontribe.com/slimp3/

I think it would be a great idea, if wi-fi had better reach. The mention of boombox makes me nostalgic. I immediately thought of John Cusack in "Say Anything".

Mark Lanctot
2006-02-01, 09:35
Michaelwagner wrote:
>
> I wonder if someone's power network solution
mightn't be better than
> 802.11 for an alarm clock - boom box kind of thing.
Since it's not
> truly wireless, it's still plugged into the wall,
why not use the wall?
>

True. I was trying to merge the "Squeezebox clock
radio" product requirements with the "Squeezebox
boombox" requirements.

While omitting 802.11 would save cost on a
Squeezebox clock radio device, it would be more
than offset by the cost of the "network over
power" equipment. This stuff is quite expensive
and very poorly available in this country.

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Michaelwagner
2006-02-01, 10:27
"network over power" equipment [...] stuff is quite expensive and very poorly available in this country.

Not a problem if Slim bundled it into the product.

I wasn't suggesting you do it yourself.

Mark Lanctot
2006-02-01, 11:10
Michaelwagner wrote:

> Mark Lanctot Wrote:
>> "network over power" equipment [...] stuff is quite
expensive and very
>> poorly available in this country.
>>
> Not a problem if Slim bundled it into the product.
>
> I wasn't suggesting you do it yourself.
>

Ooooh...that would be cool! :-)

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Michaelwagner
2006-02-01, 12:10
Not exactly cheap, and special order, but
http://www.frontierpc.com/ProductDetail.aspx?productID=202369015

stinkingpig
2006-02-01, 16:42
Mark Lanctot wrote:
> Now that I'm using one as an alarm clock radio I'm
> inclined to agree!
>
> Just something simple. A small class D amp chip
> like the Tripath TAA2009 - nice-sounding but
> cheap, 9W/ch at 89% efficiency, good for battery
> power consumption and average output power for a
> "boombox". Good (but inexpensive) speakers in the
> 4" range, with possibly small tweeters. Simple
> but classy aesthetics like a Tivoli radio. A
> remote wouldn't be required but there would need
> to be some sort of control buttons.
>
> For this use, I wouldn't be interested in
> portability/battery power so much as
> built-in/included speakers and an amp.
>
> And yes, there's no need for digital or analog
> outs. As you indicate, we have the full-blown SB3
> for "critical" listening. So Slim can do away
> with the S/PDIF circuitry, quartz timers and
> high-end DAC.
>
>
>
I'd be interested as well, particularly if it had an AM/FM tuner.

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Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

Michaelwagner
2006-02-01, 19:50
I'm reminded of Animal Farm. But I digress.

The so called wireless squeezebox, of course, isn't.

A regular squeezebox has 3 cables: power, network and RCA to stereo (or headphones, or something).

A "wireless" squeezebox is really a one wire less squeezebox, because it still has 2.

Next step up is a clock radio kind of thing, a 2 wire less, which still needs power but has integral speakers and gets it's network feed either via 802.11 or power line networking.

A truly wireless squeezebox is like a boombox, with integral speakers and batteries. I guess that one really needs 802.11, because there's no power line to network over.

The clock radio one is for night tables and kitchens and stuff.

The boombox one is for the back yard.

Looking forward to seeing these announced in the next months .... :-)

(tongue firmly in cheek)

Ben
2006-02-01, 21:52
kyleki wrote:
> Does anyone know if they're even considering doing this at
> Slimdevices?
>
>
nope. it is their policy not to comment on any hardare projects.
-k

Though, I found it interesting that Sean Adams put in a yes vote. His vote probably counts more then most around here...

Ben

Michaelwagner
2006-02-02, 06:16
I found it interesting that Sean Adams put in a yes vote. His vote probably counts more then most around here
Oh, good eyes!

(you're probably right :-) )

Christian Pernegger
2006-02-02, 12:20
I'm very interested in a squeezebox version with integrated amplifier,
as I could then replace my radio alarm clock with a second SB.
SB+amp+speakers is just too much clutter for one nightstand.

C.

geo
2006-02-03, 23:29
then surely they could cram a Squeezebox in there...

http://www.tivoliaudio.com/product.php?productid=175&cat=265&page=1

Michaelwagner
2006-02-04, 07:45
Yes, someone did just that as a case mod. Can't remember who now.

Michaelwagner
2006-02-04, 13:11
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=10597&highlight=tivoli

See posting 29

jmpage2
2006-02-05, 10:00
I would much rather see something like a full audio/video media solution from Slim (with high-def HDMI output) long before they worry about building a boombox.

I got a chance to play with a Roku HD-1000, and while it's got some bugs, the capabilities were impressive as hell.

Michaelwagner
2006-02-05, 10:08
Personally, I'm not interested in video.

Skunk
2006-02-05, 10:20
I would much rather see something like a full audio/video media solution from Slim (with high-def HDMI output) long before they worry about building a boombox.


Me too.

Wouldn't it be easier to make a boombox that accepts CF memory, and synchs with the home network to update selected files/playlists?

My table synchs when in range, but the MS ActiveSynch 'ware seemed to encompass mostly email, datebook, contacts- just saying I know it's possible, not that I have exp..

Then you could take your music, and have it update automatically.

edit: oops I meant 'tablet' not 'table'.

EnochLight
2006-02-05, 10:21
Yeah I'm not interested in a video solution from Slim just yet; I like the fact that their speciality is an audio device.

That said, if they ever do get around to getting into that market I'm sure their solution would be the best. That said...I'm just weary of it all - I've had a Hauppauge Media MVP for just that since its release (I use it with Beyond TV) and while it's open source and *SUPER AFFORDABLE* (less than $100 USD) support for it has been slow going and sloppy as hell. I don't see something from Slim being much more successful in that relation.

Only time will tell...

jmpage2
2006-02-05, 16:06
Yeah I'm not interested in a video solution from Slim just yet; I like the fact that their speciality is an audio device.

That said, if they ever do get around to getting into that market I'm sure their solution would be the best. That said...I'm just weary of it all - I've had a Hauppauge Media MVP for just that since its release (I use it with Beyond TV) and while it's open source and *SUPER AFFORDABLE* (less than $100 USD) support for it has been slow going and sloppy as hell. I don't see something from Slim being much more successful in that relation.

Only time will tell...

In general it has seemed to me that most MMPC solutions in general are rather half baked at this time.

Certainly if you've got thousands to throw at building a state of the art multimedia PC solution complete with multiple HD tuners, etc, etc, then you can get something that is pretty decent.

And in reality it won't be a whole lot better than what something like the HD-1000 does out of the box.

I would think that Slim could release something pretty impressive in the $500 range that would blow the community away, but they might have to move away from Perl to do it, and right now the market might not support it.

EnochLight
2006-02-05, 16:44
And in reality it won't be a whole lot better than what something like the HD-1000 does out of the box.


I can't speak from experience, but from what I've read the Roku HD-1000 cannot even stream HDTV that you've recorded via a PC HDTV tuner card just yet. That's as half-baked as they come, seeing as how they're touting the HD stuff for that product.

Seeing as how most decent PC HDTV tuners "record" (that is, dump the transport stream to your hard drive) in *.ts - perhaps Slim could have the files trancoded on the server side...though, even my dual core 4400+ might sweat at the thought of that! ;-)

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2006-02-05, 17:35
>>> EnochLight.22rokb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 02/05/06 12:21 PM >>>
> Yeah I'm not interested in a video solution from Slim just yet; I
> like the fact that their speciality is an audio device.

I pretty much agree. I like having an audio only device
in some locations.

> That said, if they ever do get around to getting into that market
> I'm sure their solution would be the best. That said...I'm just
> weary of it all - I've had a Hauppauge Media MVP for just that
> since its release (I use it with Beyond TV) and while it's open
> source and *SUPER AFFORDABLE* (less than $100 USD) support
> for it has been slow going and sloppy as hell. I don't see
> something from Slim being much more successful in that relation.

Actually, my experience is quite the opposite. If you're
already running slimserver, download a copy of mvpmc. The
guys on that project have a mediamvp running as a squeeze
box. I'm running it - it's quite cool. Now I need to hack my
mediamvp to have a vfd and it will be kickin'

stinkingpig
2006-02-05, 17:58
PAUL WILLIAMSON wrote:
>>>> EnochLight.22rokb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 02/05/06 12:21 PM >>>
>>>>
>> Yeah I'm not interested in a video solution from Slim just yet; I
>> like the fact that their speciality is an audio device.
>>
>
> I pretty much agree. I like having an audio only device
> in some locations.
>

I have no interest in video -- haven't had a TV in nearly 5 years , and
we just use a laptop if we ever do want to watch a movie. Music on the
other hand is crucial. I'll probably get a flatscreen TV to hang on the
wall when they get down to a reasonable price (maybe two years?), and at
that time I'll build a MythTV box. If Slim Devices is packaging a
solution at that time, fine, and if not, whatever. My interest in the
entire category is lukewarm at best.

Movies require a lot more attention, and my downtime is usually claimed
by hanging with the kids or reading a book -- these activities, like
working, support listening to music in the background. My Slimserver or
a radio is playing music at least 12 hours out of 24... we watch a movie
maybe twice a week.

--
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Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip Since 1996

EnochLight
2006-02-05, 18:26
If you're already running slimserver, download a copy of mvpmc. The guys on that project have a mediamvp running as a squeeze
box.

I already run an enhanced version of the MVP software that was developed by some guys on the Snapstream forums. I use Beyond TV 4.0 and the skin integrates well with the MVP. It resembles Beyond TV, as a matter of fact. It's a shame, though, because Hauppauge rarely releases any sort of updates and the tech support is crap at best. If it wasn't for the community un-officially supporting and hacking it, I would use it as a paper weight. Cool that there are others releasing hacks for the skin though!




I have no interest in video -- haven't had a TV in nearly 5 years , and we just use a laptop if we ever do want to watch a movie...Movies require a lot more attention... we watch a movie
maybe twice a week.


Eek.. yeah I guess kids have a knack for complicating things. I'm married but the wife and I visit the local movie theater several times a month usually, have an extensive DVD collection (several hundred), and I can't get by without recording the new Battlestar Galactica, LOST, and a variety of stuff on the History/TLC/Discovery Channel.

I'm a total multimedia addict. My reading skills are A+ but give me a good film any day of the week.

kyleki
2006-02-07, 19:41
I'm not interested in video from my slimdevice at all. All I need is a way to play all my music throughout my house. Besides, this thread's title is "I want a Squeezebox boombox" not "I want a Squeezebox videobox".

I appologize if that comes of as harsh, I don't mean it to. I'm just trying to hold on to any glimmer of hope that this may (soon) become a reality. I'd hate for us to lose focus on the primary goal. I sure hope someone at Slimdevices is reading this thread...

EnochLight
2006-02-07, 20:16
I'd hate for us to lose focus on the primary goal. I sure hope someone at Slimdevices is reading this thread...

Well, seeing as how the Slim Devices CEO himself (seanadams) voted for "I'm Interested", I'd say there's a fair chance that this thread has been read a few times by those in the know and more importantly - those who count...

;-)

funkstar
2006-02-08, 02:41
i would be shocked and a little dissapointed if the SlimDevices staff didn't read all the threads like this. I'm always amazed when you hear about companies that do not look at their own message boards.

AndyMac
2006-02-23, 13:07
I have two wired and one wireless SB3s. I would love to be able to pick the wireless up and set it into a sled type device where all I had to do was plug in audio and power to the SB3. Then I could carry it around the house. Battery powered would be perfect but I could deal with plugging one thing into AC.

What would be ideal is an all-in-one unit. If they came out with this I would definitely buy it. I could use it in the garage when I am working or doing yard work or out at the pool.

And it would be nice when company came over and I wanted audio in the kitchen where everyone was gathered.

As it is now I have to move the SB3 from the bedroom, wire it up to the powered speakers, plug everything in and then I can play music. It's not horribly convenient.

Ur[s]uS
2007-02-01, 22:12
I do feel bad nudging this back up top, but I wanted to register interest in SB/Speaker combo. There are alot of boombox/integrated speaker threads, so a new one was never an option. This seemed the best one to revive.

My dilemma is that WAF is high with SB3, but she wants access in the kitchen. For convenience, I'd like an all in one solution. The Roku Soundbridge Radio is close to the mark. Likely costing about €330 (imported from B&H Photo Video). I could buy third SB3 and separate speaker(s) (e.g., Tivoli One a la bklaas).

I'd welcome suggestions and any advance warning or hints from the SD/Logitech crew - it there something worth waiting for from you guys?

aubuti
2007-02-02, 08:24
You're not likely to get many advance hints about what SD/Logitech have cooking. Certainly SD always kept information about future products pretty quiet until they were ready.

Note that where the Roku Soundbridge misses the mark, it misses it widely, at least for some users' priorities. It wireless is only 11b, so even while it will work with an 11g network, it will have to do so in mixed mode, which can slow the network down. And it has no wired ethernet support. It also does not support any compressed lossless music formats (it only supports MP3, AAC, WMA/DRM10, WAV, and AIFF).

IMO, an SB with powered speakers is a great way to go. Pairing it with the Tivoli is a nice idea. In my kitchen I hooked up an SB2 to an inexpensive ($30 on eBay) pair of Klipsch active speakers and it sounds okay, especially given all the other noise in the kitchen. And if you have the budget, you can get some very nice, compact active speakers, like the Aego and Audioengine products mentioned recently in another thread.

Michaelwagner
2007-02-03, 15:22
I use an SB3 and powered speakers on my computer desk. Now, they're nice powered speakers, with a subwoofer, not what you'd want in a kitchen, but the sound quality is quite good.

FWIW, the SBs can drive the line out and headphone jacks at the same time, so you can drive headphone loads like powered speakers at the same time as a line out without worrying about overloading anything.

Michaelwagner
2007-02-03, 15:26
By the way, Ur(s)us, this isn't what's usually considered a squeezebox boombox. Most people imagine, in that category, something with a handle you can carry around your house.

So, speakers on board, batteries on board, wireless SB3. At least, that's what it means to me.

Now that Logitech owns Slim, they likely have the resources to do that. Whether they have the desire is another story. In the past, Slim never pre-announced anything (except on April Fools day). Whether Logitech will change this policy is anyone's guess.

ModelCitizen
2007-02-03, 16:25
Bearing in mind that one of the criticisms often aimed at the Squeezebox is it's high price, what might be ditched (or downgraded?) in the unit to bring the price of a Squeezebox boombox down to a reasonable level?.
MC

Ur[s]uS
2007-02-03, 16:26
By the way, Ur(s)us, this isn't what's usually considered a squeezebox boombox. Most people imagine, in that category, something with a handle you can carry around your house.

So, speakers on board, batteries on board, wireless SB3. At least, that's what it means to me.

Now that Logitech owns Slim, they likely have the resources to do that. Whether they have the desire is another story. In the past, Slim never pre-announced anything (except on April Fools day). Whether Logitech will change this policy is anyone's guess.

Thanks for the replies.

Thought it was worth floating all the same ! Hadn't appreciated the batteries/handle (my wireless would not extend so far) ! I'll think about powered speakers and another SB3 - but not convinced that I'll get approval from she who must be obeyed (that said, she is the one that wants music in the kitchen !!).

Paul Webster
2007-07-06, 07:48
Back on page 3 I referred to the Acoustic Energy device that was due to be released - based on software and internal design by Reciva.
A few other companies have built devices based on the same underlying software/hardware and the next one to be released is battery powered.
http://www.revo.co.uk/store/pico-wifi-radio.php
Due to be available on less than 10 days.

The Reciva stuff features a facility somewhat like AlienBBC and includes a UPnP client and well as SMB client.

I have seen plenty of moans about how well it all works (including placing of the wifi antenna and low frequency hum and difficult SMB usage and slow adding stations to their hosted portal) ... but back in February Reciva claimed that 50,000 units based on their stuff had been shipped.

This model also includes FM radio and iPod/MP3 player connector (might just be a line-in).

Paul Webster
2007-07-06, 09:07
... and here is the one that Tivoli announced last week (no price and no shipping date) - they call it NetWorksGo Internet/FM Portable Radio
http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Mains and 12V and battery (6 "C" cells)
Also has USB ... but not clear what it is for .. says it can connect to iPod and memory stick.

funkstar
2007-07-06, 11:42
Also has USB ... but not clear what it is for .. says it can connect to iPod and memory stick.
It will be USB Mass Storafge compatible then. Probably just presenting you with a list of the MP3s on the USB device and you can play the list or skip through them.

nicketynick
2007-07-06, 12:05
... and here is the one that Tivoli announced last week (no price and no shipping date) - they call it NetWorksGo Internet/FM Portable Radio
http://www.tivoliaudio.com/articles.php?articleid=127

Mains and 12V and battery (6 "C" cells)
Also has USB ... but not clear what it is for .. says it can connect to iPod and memory stick.

Now that looks like an ideal piece of kit for Squeezenetwork/mp3tunes on the go! (see related thread)