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autopilot
2005-10-16, 11:48
I am not sure which to go for; a squeezebox wireless and a wireless card for my PC, or a squeezebox wired using this http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produkte/dLAN/mldlanhsstarterkit.html

What are the pros and cons of each option. Bearing in mind that the wireless signal would only have to go through one floor to the room bellow.

Thanks.

JJZolx
2005-10-16, 12:05
I am not sure which to go for; a squeezebox wireless and a wireless card for my PC, or a squeezebox wired using this http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produkte/dLAN/mldlanhsstarterkit.html

What are the pros and cons of each option. Bearing in mind that the wireless signal would only have to go through one floor to the room bellow.
Given a choice, and if I didn't have to run cables over the floor or along walls, I'd choose wired Ethernet. Easier setup, generally more reliable than wireless, and more secure.

My SB2 is in the living room off of my office where my server is located. But I have no in-wall cabling and there's no way to run a cable to the SB without dragging a cord across the floor, so I chose wireless.

I know nothing about Ethernet over power lines, but I'd think that wireless is a bit more proven technology. If you do go wireless then I'd recommend finding an 802.11g wireless router rather than using an ad hoc connection from a wireless card in the server. Place the router in the room with the server and run a wired connection from the server to the switch on the router.

One advantage to wireless is that you'll be all set when you decide to buy a 2nd SB2 for the bedroom. :-)

kolepard
2005-10-16, 12:36
>I am not sure which to go for; a squeezebox wireless and a wireless card
>for my PC, or a squeezebox wired using this
>http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produkte/dLAN/mldlanhsstarterkit.html
>
>What are the pros and cons of each option. Bearing in mind that the
>wireless signal would only have to go through one floor to the room
>bellow.
>
>Thanks.

When I bought my last house, I pulled wire everywhere, even though
retrofitting a house was a lot of work. Wired will always (well, ok,
"always" ;-) ) be more reliable, simpler and easier to setup, have a
higher bandwidth, and better security than wireless.

Having said that, my Squeezeboxen are all wireless models that I use wired.
That way if I decide to go wireless someday I can. And if I
temporarily want to use it in a location without wire, I can do that,
too.

I suggest you buy the 802.11g enabled model for flexibility, and
either pull wire or use the HomePLUG solution you mention.

Just my $0.02.

Kevin
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autopilot
2005-10-16, 12:39
Just how unreliable can wireless be? Do many people find thier music cuts out at times etc, even at reasonable distances? That would drive me up the wall.

The other thing to consider is that i plan to stream some lossless files too.

I am starting to wonder if just running some cat5 downstairs would be a better option?

stuorguk
2005-10-16, 12:49
If running a cable to your squeezebox is no bother, then it's an easy decision - do that. There aren't any good reasons not too unless you need portability.

pfarrell
2005-10-16, 13:01
On Sun, 2005-10-16 at 12:39 -0700, dangerous_dom wrote:
> Just how unreliable can wireless be? Do many people find thier music
> cuts out at times etc, even at reasonable distances? That would drive
> me up the wall.

I have SB1s, not SB2s. There are two major improvements in the SB2s
relating to this. First, it can accept native FLAC files over the
wire(less) which doubles the buffer size with no other changes.
Second, the buffer is bigger. So it may be much less of an issue for
SB2s. And in addition the SB2 does 802.11g, which is faster.

Yes, I found that wireless dropped out sending Flac files, cutting out
at random times, plus cutting out everytime someone used the microwave
oven. It drove me up the wall. I drug cables thru the walls to fix it.

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JJZolx
2005-10-16, 13:07
Just how unreliable can wireless be? Do many people find thier music cuts out at times etc, even at reasonable distances? That would drive me up the wall.

The other thing to consider is that i plan to stream some lossless files too.

I am starting to wonder if just running some cat5 downstairs would be a better option?
I would never say wireless is "unreliable". Only that wired is _more_ reliable. I have zero problems with my wireless connection and never get dropouts streaming lossless FLACs. Others run into occasional interference problems from microwave ovens, neighbors' wireless networks and other RFI. The SB2's large buffer helps overcome many of these problems.

If it's easy enough and not an eyesore, then yes, running cable is a great option, but like kolepard says, get a wireless SB2 for the placement flexibility it gives you.

Daryle Tilroe
2005-10-16, 13:38
Pat Farrell wrote:

> I have SB1s, not SB2s. There are two major improvements in the SB2s
> relating to this. First, it can accept native FLAC files over the
> wire(less) which doubles the buffer size with no other changes.
> Second, the buffer is bigger. So it may be much less of an issue for
> SB2s. And in addition the SB2 does 802.11g, which is faster.

Three! The three major improvements of the SB2 are flac, buffer
size and 802.11g... and a better display. Four! The four major
improvements of the SB2 are flac, buffer size, 802.11g, and a better
display... and the Squeezenetwork. Amongst the many major
improvements in the SB2 there include......

Nobody expected the SB2.

But to address the question: With the SB1 and flac (so basically
uncompressed PCM over the air) I had many issues with wireless.
I have tried the SB2 a bit with wireless flac (still only on an
802.11b network) and it has had no noticeable dropouts. I have
yet to torture test it while running the microwave and making
a cordless phone call. I think I'll actually go try that right
now!

PS. That being said, if wired is available reasonably easily
I would still go that route.

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Daryle Tilroe
2005-10-16, 14:10
Daryle A. Tilroe wrote:


> 802.11b network) and it has had no noticeable dropouts. I have
> yet to torture test it while running the microwave and making
> a cordless phone call. I think I'll actually go try that right
> now!

Ok so on 802.11b streaming flac holds it's own against the
microwave for over a minute before dropouts occur. However
my high bandwidth smooth scrolling, of double size, 0.008,
and 1 pixel, goes south right away. So you can reheat a
cup of coffee but not your lunch. :)

As an aside: wasn't the scrolling going to eventually get
moved into the firmware with the rest of the animations
since it is basically static data that only needs to be
sent once per song (or screen change)?

The cordless phone seems fine now but it will cause earlier
dropouts if the microwave is on as well.

So I guess the conclusion is: if you have an SB2 and
802.11*g* (and perhaps a more modest scroll rate) you
could play flac in a moderately (and intermittently very)
noisy environment without dropouts.

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kolepard
2005-10-16, 15:42
>Just how unreliable can wireless be? Do many people find thier music
>cuts out at times etc, even at reasonable distances? That would drive
>me up the wall.

If you search the forums, you'll find there's a lot of variability.
Many have no trouble. A fair number have a lot of trouble. There
are just a lot more variables with wireless: bandwidth congestion,
noise (your microwave), overlapping networks, etc., etc.

I still vote for the 802.11g model. You can try it wirless and if it
works, great, if not run wire or use the HomePLUG. HomePLUG is not
as widely used as wireless, but I don't know it to be problematic
particularly, either.

Kevin
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autopilot
2005-10-17, 06:40
I take it that if i went wired, striaght to my NIC with a hub etc, i would need a cross-over cable yes?

geoffb
2005-10-17, 07:31
On 10/16/05, dangerous_dom
<dangerous_dom.1x0ddb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> I am not sure which to go for; a squeezebox wireless and a wireless card
> for my PC, or a squeezebox wired using this
> http://www.devolo.co.uk/uk_EN/produkte/dLAN/mldlanhsstarterkit.html
>
> What are the pros and cons of each option. Bearing in mind that the
> wireless signal would only have to go through one floor to the room
> bellow.

I would second the opinion of an earlier poster; even if you end up
going with a wired configuration, get the wireless version. I find
that there are lots of uses for the portability it gives you:

It means that you can move it temporarily if necessary; I occasionally
use our screened porch for entertaining, and moving the SB out there
with a boombox gives instant music in under 2 minutes setup time.

If you want to rearrange the area you listen to music in, it saves you
re-running your cables.

If Slim Devices comes out with the SB2006 next year that has some
fancy new feature you want for your main listening area, you can buy
one and move your now pale-by-comparison SB2 into a bedroom or
kitchen, again without messing with wires.

I have a wireless SBG, and a library that consists mostly of MP3 with
some FLAC. I have zero problems with playback, short of microwave
interference, which has already been discussed to death.

Cheers
Geoff

kolepard
2005-10-17, 08:40
>I take it that if i went wired, striaght to my NIC with a hub etc, i
>would need a cross-over cable yes?

If you connect the squeezebox to the hub, and the NIC to the hub, then no.

If you connect the squeezebox to the NIC, probably. Most Macs will
autodetect the kind of connection you have and behave appropriately
so you don't need a crossover cable. I'm not aware of this being a
feature on Linux/PC.

Kevin
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Joe Craig
2005-10-17, 08:43
> If you connect the squeezebox to the hub, and the NIC to the hub,

Use SWITCHES, not hubs!


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autopilot
2005-10-17, 09:21
Sorry, what went to say was that i plan to NOT buy a switch or whatever because i don't want to spend any more cash than i need to.

What i want to do is run a cable directly from my NIC to my Squeezebox2 and need to know if i need a cross over or not.

MrC
2005-10-17, 09:27
What i want to do is run a cable directly from my NIC to my Squeezebox2 and need to know if i need a cross over or not.
Cross-over.

Robin Bowes
2005-10-17, 09:40
dangerous_dom said the following on 17/10/2005 17:21:
> Sorry, what went to say was that i plan to NOT buy a switch or whatever
> because i don't want to spend any more cash than i need to.
>
> What i want to do is run a cable directly from my NIC to my Squeezebox2
> and need to know if i need a cross over or not.

A switch would make life easier. They don't cost much, e.g.:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=35437

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