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NickM
2005-10-07, 20:07
A multi disc CD does not play in the correct order. For example, selecting a two disc album results in playing track 1 CD1, track 1 CD2, track 2 CD1, track 2 CD2 etc. The ordering should be by disc number then by track number.

NickM
2005-10-09, 19:04
Has anyone mananged to get multi discs to list & play in the correct order?

takashi37
2005-10-10, 13:20
Has anyone mananged to get multi discs to list & play in the correct order?

Yes. I just number the songs in total...

So that if I had a two disc set with 10 tracks on each disc, the first disc would have track numbers 1-10 and the second disc would have track numbers for 11-20.

Also, I use tag & rename to do my tagging and when I get album info from Amazon, this is the default which works out nicely.

I also used the DISC tags to do 1/2 and 2/2 so that information is there, but I usually have it set to treat them as one disc anyway.

Hope that makes sense.

TL

CavesOfTQLT
2005-10-10, 14:01
The way I do it is to use the actual filenames as the 'sorter'.

So taking a two disc CD set:
CD1 tracks 1 to 10 have filenames; '01-xxxxxx.flac','02-xxxxxx.flac' to '10-xxxxxx.flac'

and CD2 tracks 1 to 10 have filenames;
'11-xxxxxx.flac','12-xxxxxx.flac',(...),'20-xxxxxx.flac'

The 'track number' tag is still set as the actual track number on the disc, so track 1 ('11-xxxxxx.flac) is 01, track 2 is 02, and so on. All these 20 tracks are in a folder having the album's name.

I started doing it this way well before I got my SB2 because my MP3 player would also play the songs in the incorrect CD1 track1, CD2 track1, CD1 track2 order. The above way is the way I've used since then to cure the problem.

NickM
2005-10-10, 20:36
Those two work arounds certainly will work... But, I suppose, I am looking for the perfect solution (!) If an album has the same name for each disc, then whatever the track numbers, or file names, the first sorting criteria should be DISC# from the tag.

This would cure the problem for everybody. Anyone think that this ( or lack of it ) is a bug?

nick

cliveb
2005-10-11, 02:37
Those two work arounds certainly will work... But, I suppose, I am looking for the perfect solution (!) If an album has the same name for each disc, then whatever the track numbers, or file names, the first sorting criteria should be DISC# from the tag.

This would cure the problem for everybody. Anyone think that this ( or lack of it ) is a bug?
I guess you could argue that Slimserver should honour disc number tags where present, and those who don't want to use that facility can just remove any such tags. But it hardly seems like a bug - more a "nice to have".

FWIW, I agree with Takashi and Caves: forget about the multi-disc format of the original CDs. An album is a single work of art, and the fact that it is split across multiple discs is a consequence of the physical limitations of the CD format. Once transferred to another medium without those limitations (ie. a big hard disk), there's no reason to retain these artificial splits.

NickM
2005-10-11, 06:01
Hi Clive - the reason I question whether it's a bug or not, is that under the Server Settings, Behavior, there is an option to "Group Discs". So someone has obviously thought about the problem, just not quite enough for a flexible solution.

geoffb
2005-10-11, 06:46
On 10/11/05, NickM <NickM.1wqo2b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Clive - the reason I question whether it's a bug or not, is that
> under the Server Settings, Behavior, there is an option to "Group
> Discs". So someone has obviously thought about the problem, just not
> quite enough for a flexible solution.

Hi Nick,

You're right (philosophical issues aside) - as I understand it this is
supposed to split multi-disc albums into, well, multiple discs. Using
6.2, I don't get this behaviour, but I do get tracks playing in the
right order. I.e., I get one album, and if I browse into it I get
disc 1's tracks in order followed by disc 2's tracks in order. Adding
the album to the playlist gets the correct results.

>From what I've read, it's *supposed* to create two album entries, for
example if I browse by artist I currently get:
David Bowie
Best Of Bowie (2002)
Disc 1 tracks 1..19 followed by Disc 2 tracks 1..20

It *should* give, I think:
David Bowie
Best Of Bowie (2002) (Disc 1 of 2)
Disc 1 tracks 1..19
Best Of Bowie (2002) (Disc 2 of 2)
Disc 2 tracks 1..20

To try to get this to work correctly, I added every tag under the sun. I.e..:

DISC, PARTINSET, DISCNUMBER - all set to the disc number

DISCC - set to the number of discs in the set (also tried taking this out)

I also tried both settings for the "Group Discs" behaviour setting,
with complete wipe/rescan each time. Currently it's on "treat
multi-disc sets as multiple albums", and I get the behaviour that I
describe above, which is perhaps what you are looking for.

I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last
couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on
updating shortly.

Cheers
Geoff

PS: Philosophically, I WANT to identify my discs separately; I'm used
to hearing them separately, and sometimes I just want to hear disc 2
of Dylan's 'Masterpieces', dammit. It's completely different to disc
1.

Richie
2005-10-11, 09:23
> I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last
> couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on
> updating shortly.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff

It was a bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248

and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly
you'll probably find it does what you want.

Richard

JJZolx
2005-10-11, 10:30
> I'm guessing it's a bug, and I haven't tried a nightly in the last
> couple of weeks, so it's always possible it's fixed - I'm planning on
> updating shortly.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff

It was a bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248

and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly
you'll probably find it does what you want.
Multi-disc sets are no longer being grouped together properly. I just filed this bug:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2278

I think some recent fix or another to multi-disc treatment probably caused this bug.

geoffb
2005-10-11, 14:26
On 10/11/05, Richie <gibbering.idiot (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
> It was a bug:
>
> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2248
>
> and it was fixed about a week ago. If you try the latest nightly
> you'll probably find it does what you want.
>
> Richard

Ok, I installed the latest nightly, and this is the summary of what
works (for me):

MP3 files need PARTINSET, with a string value of 1/2 or 2/2 etc.
I.e., you HAVE to include both the disc number and disc count,
separated by a forward-slash. You don't need any other disc count
tags.

Everything else that I tested (FLAC, OGG) needs both DISCNUMBER (set
to the disc number within the set, 1, 2, 3 etc) and DISCC (set to the
total number of discs in the set). PARTINSET does no good here.

This gives me

Violent Femmes (Disc 1 of 2) (2002)
Violent Femmes (Disc 2 of 2) (2002)
(for both MP3 and OGG / FLAC).

Caveats: I don't use any of that wacky
single-file-album-with-cue-sheet stuff. Most of my stuff is MP3. I
only tested MP3, OGG and FLAC.

Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up
mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file
extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight.

Cheers
Geoff

Richie
2005-10-11, 15:17
> Of course, this kind of sucks, because it means that I can't set up
> mass tagging for multi-disc albums; I have to check the file
> extension. I guess I know what I'm doing tonight.
>
> Cheers
> Geoff

DISCNUMBER works for me in both flac and mp3. To be honest I've never
bothered trying to set the total number of discs, I just want to see
the albums listed separately.

Richard

NickM
2005-10-11, 18:13
Geoff - you're right (I think), but then so is Takashi.

So, how about this for a future FEATURE request:-

Example 1.
2 CD’s the first named “Buddha Bar IV - CD1”, the second named “Buddha Bar IV – CD2”.
Group Disc’s setting should have no effect.
Disc# tag in the files should have no effect.

Example 2.
2 CD’s both named “Buddha Bar IV - 2CD”, with Disc# set to 1 & 2 as appropriate for the tracks.
Group Disc’s setting should have no effect. The files should appear in the correct order ANYWAY – i.e. CD1 Track1, CD1 Track2… CD2 Track 1, CD2 Track 2 etc.

Example 3.
2 CD’s the first named “Buddha Bar IV - CD1/2”, the second named “Buddha Bar IV – CD2/2”,
A. Group Disc’s UNSET should list them as in Example 1.
B. Group Disc’s SET should list them as in Example 2.

What is then lacking is the ability to jump to the second CD having selected 3B. There would need to be a minor enhancement to the menu to enable this.

Note, the “CD1/2” & “CD2/2” nomenclature should not be fixed, but include the commonly used formats e.g. “Disc 1of2” & “Disc 2of2” etc.


nick

NickM
2005-10-13, 18:40
Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi?

Dan Sully
2005-10-13, 18:53
* NickM shaped the electrons to say...

>Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi?

Nick - your post got cut-off. Could you resend the previous message?

Thanks.

-D
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Churns out useless shit. Followed by inferior re-implementations of useless shit.

takashi37
2005-10-13, 19:39
Would that work for both of you, Geoff and Takashi?

Frankly, the method I'm using works great for me.

I don't have to add CD #'s to the name field which wouldn't be semantically correct. (Not the case w/ your examples 1 and 3)

It works for players / services that support track numbers but not disc numbers. (Not the case w/ your example 2)

Not sure why I'd consider any other option.

TL

NickM
2005-10-14, 06:56
In example 2, the fact that " - 2CD" is appended to the album name does not matter and can be omitted. Then the feature suggested works OK for you?

nick

geoffb
2005-10-14, 07:51
On 10/11/05, NickM <NickM.1wrluz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Geoff - you're right (I think), but then so is Takashi.
>
> So, how about this for a future FEATURE request:-
>
> 1.If the Group Discs setting is checked,
>
> --
> NickM

Hi Nick,

Your post was cut off, but in fact, it's working ok for me at the
moment. All I have done is add all three tags to all my files, and it
works fine. It would be great if this could be standardised to one
tag for number of albums, another tag for total number of albums.

Also, I think this enhancement would be entirely worthwhile:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1138

Cheers
Geoff

takashi37
2005-10-14, 09:02
In example 2, the fact that " - 2CD" is appended to the album name does not matter and can be omitted. Then the feature suggested works OK for you?

nick

Nick -

I really don't get how this is a feature request, but either way, in your example two, players that don't support discnum will play the albums dovetailed with songs by alphabet probably.

What problem exactly are you trying to solve?

TL

NickM
2005-10-14, 20:01
Very simple problem Takashi...

My albums are named as in Example 2:-
2 CD’s both named “Buddha Bar IV”, with Disc# tag set to 1 or 2 as appropriate for the tracks.

And at the moment they play in the wrong order, track1 CD1, track1 CD2, track2 CD1, track2 CD2 etc.

(And I do not want to have to go through my entire library re-numbering the track numbers of the second CD in multi disc sets!)

nick

snarlydwarf
2005-10-15, 09:17
Hrrm... my multidisc things work. I'm using mp3 as the format, but I set 'TPOS' to '1/2' and '2/2' accordingly and Slimserv does the right thing.

CavesOfTQLT
2005-10-15, 10:56
I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs fixing without a doubt.

Dan Sully
2005-10-15, 11:09
* CavesOfTQLT shaped the electrons to say...

>I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui
>and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though
>I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets
>even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of
>Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs
>fixing without a doubt.

Are you running the latest 6.2? There have been some fixes to multi-disc handling in the past week.

-D
--
Adobe Photoshop - When you want the truth. Real bad.

geoffb
2005-10-17, 06:25
On 10/15/05, CavesOfTQLT
<CavesOfTQLT.1wygdz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> I've just had another look at my set-up and NickM is right, the web-ui
> and the SB2 show CD1 Track1, CD2 Track1, CD1 Track2, etc. even though
> I've got the disc number tags set as 1 for CD1 and 2 for CD2. It gets
> even worse when you have 3,4 or 5 CD sets when you get lots of
> Track1's, then Track2's, then Track3's all together to go thru. Needs
> fixing without a doubt.
>
> --
> CavesOfTQLT

I found that you need to set PARTINSET (it sounds like TPOS also
works) - just setting the DISC and DISCC doesn't work. If it's MP3s
that you're talking about, try setting the PARTINSET to 1/3, 2/3, 3/3
etc, and running the latest 6.2. That works for me.

I use MP3Tag, and have DISC and DISCC already set in my files. MP3Tag
allows me to easily set the PARTINSET to %DISC%/%DISCC% with one
click. If you don't have DISC and DISCC set, but do have directory
names similar to
"artist/album/disc 1/file.mp3" or "artist/album (disc 1 of 2)/file.mp3"
then it's also easy to extract the DISC tag from the filename.

Cheers
Geoff

NickM
2005-10-17, 19:34
Geoff, your work around sounds OK - except, I use JR's MediaCenter to rip & tag - and for the moment, I can't figure out how to edit the tags that you suggest.

Having a quick look up on ID3 formats, I think (someone please correct me if I understood this) that DISC is a standard tag, whereas PARTINSET and TPOS are advanced tags.

I try not to use anything but standard tags so that I will be compatible with players of the future...

I guess that SlimServer should work with the standard DISC tags?

nick

geoffb
2005-10-18, 05:39
On 10/17/05, NickM <NickM.1x2tkb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Geoff, your work around sounds OK - except, I use JR's MediaCenter to
> rip & tag - and for the moment, I can't figure out how to edit the tags
> that you suggest.
>
> Having a quick look up on ID3 formats, I think (someone please correct
> me if I understood this) that DISC is a standard tag, whereas PARTINSET
> and TPOS are advanced tags.
>
> I try not to use anything but standard tags so that I will be
> compatible with players of the future...
>
> I guess that SlimServer should work with the standard DISC tags?

Hi Nick,

I think you're right - PARTINSET and TPOS are not standard tags. I'm
guessing, but I would be very surprised if other "players of the
future" refused to play your tracks because they didn't recognise all
the tags.
If you add both DISC and PARTINSET, you should be ok for both
scenarios, I would think? At the very least, you could just remove
PARTINSET in the future.

That said, it would be nice if SlimServer just used the more standard
DISC tag :)

To answer the question about adding the tags; I'm not familiar with
JR's MediaCenter, but you could use MP3Tag for this part of the
process; it's free, customisable, and you might find it useful for a
bunch of other stuff. If you decide to go that route, let me know if
you need any tips.

Cheers
Geoff

Ben Sandee
2005-10-18, 07:30
TPOS is absolutely a standard tag -- it's DISC that isn't (at least for
ID3). See http://www.id3.org/ for more info on these.

Ben

snarlydwarf
2005-10-18, 07:34
I think you're right - PARTINSET and TPOS are not standard tags. I'm
guessing, but I would be very surprised if other "players of the
future" refused to play your tracks because they didn't recognise all
the tags.
If you add both DISC and PARTINSET, you should be ok for both
scenarios, I would think? At the very least, you could just remove
PARTINSET in the future.

That said, it would be nice if SlimServer just used the more standard
DISC tag :)


Maybe we're looking in different places, but id3.org shows TPOS.. and no 'DISC' or "PARTINSET'... perhaps your labeller is showing different names than what it actually uses, but id3 v2.3 should be using TPOS.

(In fact, id3 field names are always 4 characters... [ignoring version 2.2 where they were 3...]).

geoffb
2005-10-18, 07:54
On 10/18/05, snarlydwarf
<snarlydwarf.1x3qwb (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> Maybe we're looking in different places, but id3.org shows TPOS.. and
> no 'DISC' or "PARTINSET'... perhaps your labeller is showing different
> names than what it actually uses, but id3 v2.3 should be using TPOS.
>
> (In fact, id3 field names are always 4 characters... [ignoring version
> 2.2 where they were 3...]).

Nope, I think you're right and I'm just lazy :) I should have checked
the standard list.
I'll give it a go with TPOS instead of PARTINSET - it shouldn't be
hard to mass-convert the PARTINSET to an equivalent TPOS tag. It's
still a shame that this differs from tags ("comments") used by Ogg
Vorbis / FLAC, but there's obviously nothing to be done about that
now.

Cheers
Geoff

Dondi
2005-10-18, 08:53
I'm with Takashi on this... I have tagged an extensive
library (>4500+ albums) and when it comes to multidisc
sets, I just keep going with the track number. To me,
I don't care what disc number it is from. I treat the
entire disc set as a single disc and the track numbers
are iterative so no matter what player I am playing
from, I am sure to not run into the multidisc issue.
Example, Eric Clapton's Crossroads box set has many
discs... my track numbers start at #01 and go through
to #92. I'm not sure what the value is to start over
at track one on the second disc. It is the same album.

This method has added greater value to my library as
well, and just one of those avoided headaches that I
don't have to deal with.

Just my $.02,
-- Dondi



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gorman
2005-10-18, 11:53
FWIW, I agree with Takashi and Caves: forget about the multi-disc format of the original CDs. An album is a single work of art, and the fact that it is split across multiple discs is a consequence of the physical limitations of the CD format. Once transferred to another medium without those limitations (ie. a big hard disk), there's no reason to retain these artificial splits.Not always true. Take Smashing Pumpkins' Mellon Collie And The Infinite Sadness as an example. In that case it's like a theatrical two acts show.

NickM
2005-10-19, 03:42
Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album, but NOT always...

That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as one".

nick

Marc Sherman
2005-10-19, 09:25
NickM wrote:
> Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album,
> but NOT always...

And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums.
For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the
entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo
remaster.

> That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the
> second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I
> estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as one".

Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc
count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate.

- Marc

Dondi
2005-10-19, 09:34
> And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into
> multiple albums.
> For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet
> Sounds, which has the
> entire album twice, first in the original mono, and
> then a new stereo
> remaster.
>
> > That's why my feature request included the menu
> option to jump to the
> > second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking
> across my library I
> > estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as
> one".

If they are different & there is a need to keep them
separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the
album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate
recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever
the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in
the above example I would name both albums the same,
just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo
rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important,
just make sure that the album name is the same up
until the added & unique word/words that are added.
Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems
that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is
that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be
treated as such.

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Marc Sherman
2005-10-19, 09:38
Dondi Fusco wrote:
>
> If they are different & there is a need to keep them
> separate, I accomplish this by varying the name of the
> album slightly. Like if I have a very high bitrate
> recording, I add the word (Hi) in parens, or whatever
> the difference is, I ADD to the album name. Like in
> the above example I would name both albums the same,
> just adding the word (mono) for the 1st and (stereo
> rmstr)for the 2nd. If track order is also important,
> just make sure that the album name is the same up
> until the added & unique word/words that are added.
> Maybe just use an iterative # like 1 and 2. It seems
> that in these rare cited examples, the thinking is
> that they ARE SEPARATE albums and as such need to be
> treated as such.

Yes, that's exactly what I was trying to say. :)

- Marc

JJZolx
2005-10-19, 09:58
NickM wrote:
> Gorman, I agree with you. Normally disc sets are as one whole album,
> but NOT always...

And sometimes, you want to split up a single CD into multiple albums.
For example, I did that to the 1999 reissue of Pet Sounds, which has the
entire album twice, first in the original mono, and then a new stereo
remaster.

> That's why my feature request included the menu option to jump to the
> second (or subsequent CD) in a disc set. Looking across my library I
> estimate that about 90% of multi disc sets are "as one".

Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc
count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate.
I think most people prefer the _browsing_ approach of seeing all the discs and tracks of a multi-disc album in one entry, ordered by disc number, so they set 'Treat multi-disc sets as a single album'.

My one problem with 'Treat multi-disc sets as a single album' is that there's then no easy way to play a single CD from the set. Even if there's zero logical significance to disc #2 over disc #1, if you're familiar with the material and the CDs, you may just want to play just disc #2. This is the reason behind the following RFE:

http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1941

stinkingpig
2005-10-19, 17:30
Marc Sherman wrote:...
> Meh... I just solve this entire class of problems by ignoring the disc
> count tags, and setting the Album and Track tags as appropriate.
>
> - Marc

Yeah, same here -- particularly with audiobooks, which come on a
brazillion CDs. I just set Album to whatever for the whole pile, then
manually redo the track numbers as 1-100 instead of 1-12, 1-11, 1-14, &c.
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