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Lumsmore
2005-10-06, 12:04
Here is what it says on their website...

"iTunes (Mac or Windows)—Use iTunes to add and manage music files and your library automatically available to SlimServer—no more rescan! SlimServer also streams iTunes' powerful Smart Playlists."

Does this really work? How does it work? Do I need to export my playlists/music library/etc?

I'm looking for a solution where I only need to use iTunes to manage my music library. Most of the other technology (Creative Labs, etc) require managing MP3 library in their tool.

Thanks.

Roy Owen
2005-10-06, 12:10
Back when my SlimServer ran on Windows I used the iTunes feature and was
quite happy with it. In the server setup screen just provide the path to the
iTunes folder(s) and the smart playlists should show up under the playlists
menu in SlimServer.

On 10/6/05, Lumsmore <Lumsmore.1whvec (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
>
> Here is what it says on thier website...
>
> "iTunes (Mac or Windows)—Use iTunes to add and manage music files and
> your library automatically available to SlimServer—no more rescan!
> SlimServer also streams iTunes' powerful Smart Playlists."
>
> Does this really work? How does it work? Do I need to export my
> playlists/music library/etc?
>
> I'm looking for a solution where I only need to use iTunes to manage my
> music library. Most of the other technology (Creative Labs, Squeezbox,
> etc) require managing MP3 library in their tool.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Lumsmore
>

Craig, James (IT)
2005-10-07, 00:25
it works very well, but you should note that the playlists are no longer
'smart' when they're in SlimServer.
They are just a snapshot of the contents of the playlist at the time SS
scanned the iTunes library.
But you can run this scan as often as you want ( well, depending on the
size of your library).

I think it will not be too long before we have smart playlists in SS
itself though!

James
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Roy Owen
2005-10-07, 04:36
As long as you use iTunes ot manage your library the smart playlists will
stay smart. Slimserver reads the iTunes xml file to determine what should or
should not be in an iTunes playlist.

On 10/7/05, Craig, James (IT) <James.Craig (AT) morganstanley (DOT) com> wrote:
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> it works very well, but you should note that the playlists are no longer
> 'smart' when they're in SlimServer.
> They are just a snapshot of the contents of the playlist at the time SS
> scanned the iTunes library.
> But you can run this scan as often as you want ( well, depending on the
> size of your library).
> I think it will not be too long before we have smart playlists in SS
> itself though!
> James
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>
> NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender
> does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited.
>
>

Craig, James (IT)
2005-10-07, 04:48
> As long as you use iTunes ot manage your library the smart playlists
will stay smart. Slimserver reads the iTunes xml file to determine what
should or should not be in an iTunes playlist.

I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not?

An iTunes 'smart' playlist changes dynamically based on a set of
conditions.
iTunes 'smart' playlists don't do that once they're in SS.
So they're not smart.

James
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Roy Owen
2005-10-07, 05:01
I agree if you are exporting the iTunes playlists as m3u files. I dissagree
if you have SS pointed at the iTunes xml file. By pointing SS at the iTunes
xml file you do get dynamic changes - as long as you use iTunes to manage
your mp3 library.

On 10/7/05, Craig, James (IT) <James.Craig (AT) morganstanley (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> > As long as you use iTunes ot manage your library the smart playlists
> will stay smart. Slimserver reads the iTunes xml file to determine what
> should or should not be in an iTunes playlist.
> I can't tell if you're agreeing with me or not?
> An iTunes 'smart' playlist changes dynamically based on a set of
> conditions.
> iTunes 'smart' playlists don't do that once they're in SS.
> So they're not smart.
> James
> ------------------------------
>
> NOTICE: If received in error, please destroy and notify sender. Sender
> does not waive confidentiality or privilege, and use is prohibited.
>
>

Craig, James (IT)
2005-10-07, 05:34
>I agree if you are exporting the iTunes playlists as m3u files. I
dissagree if you have SS pointed at the iTunes xml file. By pointing SS
at the iTunes xml file you do get dynamic changes - as long as you >use
iTunes to manage your mp3 library.

Only after an iTunes rescan.
That's far from dynamic - my rescans take 30 minutes and I can't play
any music while they're running.

James
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Lumsmore
2005-10-07, 16:43
smart or not, I just installed SlimServer, which is running, and when I click on 'playlists' in the browser interface, I don't see any playlists. I checked the server settings to be sure the iTune .XML field was pointing to the itunes.xlm files (it is). I also tried the 'rescan' setting, which did nothing.

Is there something else I need to do?

CardinalFang
2005-10-08, 00:20
smart or not, I just installed SlimServer, which is running, and when I click on 'playlists' in the browser interface, I don't see any playlists. I checked the server settings to be sure the iTune .XML field was pointing to the itunes.xlm files (it is). I also tried the 'rescan' setting, which did nothing.

Is there something else I need to do?

Do you see the iTunes fields in the server settings? If you do, then you don't need to enter the path to the iTunes files, SlimServer will find them automagically. If you can't see any iTunes check boxes, then there's something wrong with your installation. I had this problem with iTunes 5, but couldn't track it down until I upgraded both components.

Paul

Lumsmore
2005-10-08, 05:59
For some reason after I rebooted after my initial install of SlimServer, the SlimServer wouldn't startup. So I reinstalled, and voila! all my playlists showed up.

Now getting back to how smart play lists (SPL) are...

There are two things that make SPLs smart:
1. They dynamically update themselves with tunes that match the criteria set within them as new music is added. Genre=rock will always contain every song with genre=rock. I'm guessing SS has no problem with this as iTunes is providing the list of songs to play.

2. The second is that iTune SPL can track when songs are played so you can specify in an SPL to only play songs that have not been played in the last 2 weeks. For me, this is where I'm wondering if the iTunes SPL can detect that SS has played a particular song to update the SPL.

radish
2005-10-08, 07:29
2. The second is that iTune SPL can track when songs are played so you can specify in an SPL to only play songs that have not been played in the last 2 weeks. For me, this is where I'm wondering if the iTunes SPL can detect that SS has played a particular song to update the SPL.
I think there's a plugin which will handle that (iTunes Update?) - take a look at the plugins page.

Lumsmore
2005-10-08, 07:45
I'll give it a shot and report back. If this works, I'm in heaven!!

Lumsmore
2005-11-10, 13:04
Works like a charm. The only thing I needed to do was set the rescan interval to 0 and enable nightly rescanning.