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ModelCitizen
2005-10-02, 01:11
I have run my SlimServer Squeezebox set up on lots of different Windows XP
based machines using different wireless and wired networks. I have always
been very less than pleased with the performance of SlimServer, finding that
when listing albums artists, genres etc there are constant freezes and I can
make a sandwich and eat it sometimes before the Squeezebox will display the
list. I use the remote and have a library of about 800 flac albums.

Recently I have been trying to get Linux set up on a small laptop to see if
this improved performance at all.. So far I've got through three distros,
all of which I've found unusable. Whilst doing this I have been racking my
brains about what could be different about my set up, as other Windows XP
users report that SlimServer runs fine for them.

There is only one unusual thing I do that I can think of. I put reviews and
bio's of the group/album into the Flac comment tag (this can be a lot of
text). Is it possible that this could somehow cause SlimServer to react very
slowly?

BTW. If anyone can recommend a Linux/Unix distro that will run very well on
a 500khz, 512mRAM Pentium laptop, but that includes a (light?) gui front end
(as I do not have the time to get to grips with the CLI) I'd a appreciate
it. I only want to run SlimServer on it.

Simon Turner
Barcombe UK

Patrick Dixon
2005-10-02, 02:17
BTW. If anyone can recommend a Linux/Unix distro that will run very well on
a 500khz, 512mRAM Pentium laptop, but that includes a (light?) gui front end
(as I do not have the time to get to grips with the CLI) I'd a appreciate
it. I only want to run SlimServer on it.(I'm assuming you mean 500MHz) I don't know about 'very well' but I've run both Ubuntu and FC3 on low power machines with reasonable success.

Once you have it set up, ditch the gui and learn the few basic commands you'll need to maintain it.

Doug Carter
2005-10-02, 06:38
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 09:11:55AM +0100, Simon @ Home wrote:

> BTW. If anyone can recommend a Linux/Unix distro that will run very well on
> a 500khz, 512mRAM Pentium laptop, but that includes a (light?) gui front end
> (as I do not have the time to get to grips with the CLI) I'd a appreciate
> it. I only want to run SlimServer on it.
---end quoted text---

I use FreeBSD (http://freebsd.org). Unix, not Linux but runs very well
on small machines. My Slimserver is running on my mail/web/webDAV
server which is a 500Mhz box. A friend of mine is running Slimserver on
FreeBSD on a 100MHz 64Mb box with no issues.

I don't bother with GUI's on these things though... they consume more
ram than the Slimserver app :)

Doug Carter
2005-10-02, 07:48
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 09:11:55AM +0100, Simon @ Home wrote:

> BTW. If anyone can recommend a Linux/Unix distro that will run very well on
> a 500khz, 512mRAM Pentium laptop, but that includes a (light?) gui front end
> (as I do not have the time to get to grips with the CLI) I'd a appreciate
> it. I only want to run SlimServer on it.
---end quoted text---

I use FreeBSD (http://freebsd.org). Unix, not Linux but runs very well
on small machines. My Slimserver is running on my mail/web/webDAV
server which is a 500Mhz box. A friend of mine is running Slimserver on
FreeBSD on a 100MHz 64Mb box with no issues.

I don't bother with GUI's on these things though... they consume more
ram than the Slimserver app :)

Doug Carter
2005-10-02, 13:23
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 07:19:04PM +0100, Simon @ Home wrote:
> I now have PCBSD, which is supposed to be simple to install and leaves you
> with a gui (hooray!).
---end quoted text---

PCBSD looks interesting. Let us know how this works out!

--
Doug Carter

ModelCitizen
2005-10-03, 08:29
On Sun, Oct 02, 2005 at 07:19:04PM +0100, Simon @ Home wrote:
> I now have PCBSD, which is supposed to be simple to install and leaves you
> with a gui (hooray!).
---end quoted text---

PCBSD looks interesting. Let us know how this works out!
--
Doug Carter
Well, you asked. It was slow to install but went in with no trouble at all and left me with a root and user account and a lovely graphical K desktop. Even the touchpad on the laptop worked! The simplicity really impressed me after recent experiences with RedHat, Debian and FreeBSD.

Things got a bit worse from then on; it installs with a default of Num Lock on (why?) and it took me ages to work out why my password (appears as stars) was not being accepted.
I have not got it to work on my network yet but have not had much time to try either.

The big problem is that when I try to mount my Maxtor OneTouch 400gb USB drive (which I can do by clicking on the drive icon in the KDE control panel) the whole thing freezes and I have to reboot it.
I have since come to understand that BSD (Linux too?) does not support NTFS too well (at all?) and that I should convert the disk to FAT32 or some Unix format. I have a feeling that if i convert it to FAT32 I will also have to partition the drive into smaller chunks but am not certain. Other than that it's a Unix file system, which, as this is a test only, is just not going to happen.
So, stumped again.

It's very fast on my 500Mhz, 512Mb Ram machine though.

MC

Robin Bowes
2005-10-03, 09:27
Simon @ Home said the following on 02/10/2005 19:19:
>>I use FreeBSD (http://freebsd.org). Unix, not Linux but runs
>>very well on small machines. My Slimserver is running on my
>>mail/web/webDAV server which is a 500Mhz box. A friend of
>>mine is running Slimserver on FreeBSD on a 100MHz 64Mb box
>>with no issues.
>>I don't bother with GUI's on these things though... they
>>consume more ram than the Slimserver app :)
>
>
> I tried FreeBSD as I had been recommended it for underpowered machines, but
> ended up with a command prompt and not enough time to work out how to use
> it.
> I now have PCBSD, which is supposed to be simple to install and leaves you
> with a gui (hooray!). I intend to use the gui to set up the machine, set up
> Slimserver, then turn off the gui, put the laptop in a drawer and and never
> touch it again.
> Ha ha ha.

Simon,

Slimserver has run perfectly well on all o/s I've tried.

My main machine is a dual P3 1GHz with 1.5GB RAM currently running
Fedora Core 4.

I've successfully tried it on a PII 450Mhz with 128MB RAM with Mandriva
Linux 10.2

I've also installed it on my main desktop machine - a P4 3.4GHz Toshiba
Laptop with 1GB RAM.

On a PIII 500Mhz machine with 512MB RAM, *any* modern o/s should run
perfectly fine - Windows XP, any of the many flavours of Linux, or *BSD.

I really don't understand why you're having problems with every o/s you
seem to try.

The offer of help still stands, BTW.

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

If a man speaks in a forest,
and his wife's not there,
is he still wrong?

kolepard
2005-10-03, 09:39
>Slimserver has run perfectly well on all o/s I've tried.

Mine has worked fine on many flavors of OSX as well.

However, since you're having some trouble and appear to want to use a
*nix of some kind, have you tried downloading the slimcd.iso? I
believe that will let you boot from the CD and run slimserver from a
minimally sized Linux variant without any other intervention on your
part.

I haven't done this myself, but it would be pretty easy to try.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

ModelCitizen
2005-10-04, 05:10
I'm sorry to post this again, but as SlimServer seem to run very badly for only me and no-one else at all, I'd really appreciate a reply from someone who understands the technicalities of exactly how the database, scanning, indexing and song/genre/artist/album listing works. This is my original question:

I put reviews and bio's of the group/album into the Flac comment tag (this can be a lot of text, sometimes a small essay). Is it possible that this could somehow cause very slow rendering of song/genre/artist/album listings (and what appears to be temporary lockups)?

Thanks for any help.

MC

Robin Bowes
2005-10-04, 05:37
ModelCitizen wrote:
> I'm sorry to post this again, but as SlimServer seem to run very badly
> for only me and no-one else at all, I'd really appreciate a reply from
> someone who understands the technicalities of exactly how the database,
> scanning, indexing and song/genre/artist/album listing works. This is my
> original question:
>
> I put reviews and bio's of the group/album into the Flac comment tag
> (this can be a lot of text, sometimes a small essay). Is it possible
> that this could somehow cause very slow rendering of
> song/genre/artist/album listings (and what appears to be temporary
> lockups)?

slimserver does indeed extract and store COMMENT tags (in the "comments"
table).

However, this should not cause listings to render slowly, as far as I
can see.

Unless of course a track object is created for each line in the listing
and there is a lot of comment text to be pulled from the DB. I don't
think this is the case though. Others more qualified than me might have
a definitive answer.

R.
--
http://robinbowes.com

If a man speaks in a forest,
and his wife's not there,
is he still wrong?

ModelCitizen
2005-10-06, 12:41
I'm sorry to post this again, (and again).... I put reviews and bio's of the group/album into the Flac comment tag (this can be a lot of text, sometimes a small essay). Is it possible that this could somehow cause very slow rendering of song/genre/artist/album listings (and what appears to be temporary lockups)?
slimserver does indeed extract and store COMMENT tags (in the "comments" table).However, this should not cause listings to render slowly, as far as I can see. Unless of course a track object is created for each line in the listing and there is a lot of comment text to be pulled from the DB. I don't think this is the case though. Others more qualified than me might have a definitive answer.
Is Robin right? Should I assume that the large amount of text in the comment field is not the cause of the poor SlimServer performance on every Windows box and network I've tried it on? Is there anyone more qualified than Robin reading this?
I have now tried four different Unix/Linux distros only to eventually find that NTFS drives and Unix do not go together. My next move is to move all 300gb of my music off the Maxtor OneTouch, reformat it with a Unix file system, move all the music back again and then try PCBSD again (being the fastest UNIX GUI system I've tried on this 500Mhz, 500gb RAM PIII machine). This might sound simple, but it's not. It will take me a long time and be highly inconvenient.
I can't express how frustrating this is. All I want to do is listen to music on my Squeezeboxes. Instead I find myself grappling with a new OS.
And/Or...........
Is there anyone living in East Sussex, UK (preferaby Brighton or Lewes) who has a windows network that they reckon their Squeezebox works well with who will let me come round and plug my MaxtorOneTouch in to see how the thing runs (yup, this is how desperate I am)?

If anyone can tell me why RedHat seems make the space bar produce two spaces, I'd be grateful. Writing this post has been painful.

MC