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JJZolx
2005-09-03, 16:28
With SqueezeNetwork we see the Squeezebox able to connect to something other than a SlimServer. I would think UPnP is a pretty straightforward protocol that could be utilized from a Squeezebox in a similar manner - connect, disconnect, etc. Is it in the plans for the future, or is there a reason that UPnP couldn't be used by a Squeezebox?

Too much UI code to do implement in the Squeezebox itself?

Or maybe the Squeezebox is just so handicapped compared to competitive UPnP players which have either superior displays or TV video interfaces that it makes it not worth the effort?

kdf
2005-09-03, 18:00
The Software Roadmap is publicly available here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?SoftwareRoadmap

It is a living document, subject to refining along the way.
There are ongoing discussions in the developer forum.

-kdf

JJZolx
2005-09-03, 18:15
The Software Roadmap is publicly available here:
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?SoftwareRoadmap

It is a living document, subject to refining along the way.
There are ongoing discussions in the developer forum.
OK, then the question becomes: Why is UPnP _NOT_ in the plans for the Squeezebox?

stinkingpig
2005-09-03, 19:21
JJZolx wrote:

>kdf Wrote:
>
>
>>The Software Roadmap is publicly available here:
>>http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?SoftwareRoadmap
>>
>>It is a living document, subject to refining along the way.
>>There are ongoing discussions in the developer forum.
>>
>>
>OK, then the question becomes: Why is UPnP _NOT_ in the plans for the
>Squeezebox?
>
>

because you haven't put it there. It's a wiki. Click the edit button, or
better yet submit a design spec, or better yet submit a patch.
Alternatively, you could put your ER into bugzilla.

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JJZolx
2005-09-03, 20:09
because you haven't put it there. It's a wiki. Click the edit button
Why would I want to edit the software roadmap? Why would anyone want you or I editing it?


better yet submit a design spec, or better yet submit a patch.
Why is it that simple question posted to these forums end up being a pissing match about 1/2 the time?


Alternatively, you could put your ER into bugzilla.
There's been one there for a while with no discussion or comment from any Slim developers. Status is 'New', which is the equivalent of something between 'forget about it for the foreseeable future' and 'you've got to be f****g kidding'.

I'm just asking why that is?


Or maybe the Squeezebox is just so handicapped compared to competitive UPnP players which have either superior displays or TV video interfaces that it makes it not worth the effort?
BTW, I didn't mean that to sound like a dig at the Squeezebox, but wonder if it's the limited display that would make using a UPnP server very difficult. I've never used a UPnP player, but I'd imagine that something like a DVD player could implement a fairly nice user interface when connected to a TV. Without a video out, maybe the Squeezebox just can't be expected to show enough information for useful navigation.

pfarrell
2005-09-03, 20:34
On Sat, 2005-09-03 at 20:09 -0700, JJZolx wrote:
> I'm just asking why that is?

The beauty of the SlimServer is that it is open source.
People volunteer and make patches. The downside is that
it is open source, and only volunteers make patches.

SlimDevices has no where near enough software engineers to
do all the cool things that people want. They do some stuff.

Volunteers do most of it. Folks like KDF and others.

It is mostly volunteers who provide a lot of the customer
support. its a community. Slim does hardware stuff
and critical changes for new hardware. And if your hardware
is broken, they will fix it or send you new ones.

The reality is, if you want it really because it is really important to
you, do a design, write it up, define how it works, etc.

Or get hundreds of people to agree that it is a priority and
Sean, Patrick or Dean will move it up their priority list.

Slim Devices ain't Microsoft. I like it that way.
YMMV


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dean
2005-09-03, 20:57
On Sep 3, 2005, at 7:21 PM, Jack Coates wrote:
> because you haven't put it there. It's a wiki. Click the edit
> button, or better yet submit a design spec, or better yet submit a
> patch. Alternatively, you could put your ER into bugzilla.
Actually, please don't edit the roadmap unless we've got some
consensus here or in the bug database about direction.

-dean

chiphart
2005-09-06, 12:50
JJZolx wrote:
> > Or maybe the Squeezebox is just so handicapped compared to competitive
> > UPnP players which have either superior displays or TV video interfaces
> > that it makes it not worth the effort?
> BTW, I didn't mean that to sound like a dig at the Squeezebox, but
> wonder if it's the limited display that would make using a UPnP server
> very difficult.

FWIW, I moved to the SB from the Netgear MP101 (there are a
_lot_ of us). It's a UPNP device and has only a slight interface
advantage over the Slim: 3? lines of text (maybe 4, it's been so
long I can't remember). Fewer characters across, though, iirc.

I think your question is a good one but clearly there are UPNP
devices with similarly limited built-in interfaces.

Hope this helps.

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