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JJZolx
2005-08-22, 10:05
is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run SlimServer. And make some money doing so.

Load it with Linux. Run Apache and create a simple web interface for managing the computer, for folks who know nothing about Linux and don't want to. Optional RAID. Maybe two HDD capacity so that RAID1 could be used, or perhaps the option of four disks in RAID5. No monitor, no CD-ROM drive, no floppy, no ripping CDs, no other services running on the device. Single purpose only.

With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances, which are really underpowered for the task they're being asked to perform, this would seem to be a no-brainer.

jimdibb
2005-08-22, 10:20
No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part
would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any
cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat"

Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+
at least for parts.

Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a
money maker to me.

On 8/22/05, JJZolx <JJZolx.1u6e2n (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run
> SlimServer. And make some money doing so.
>
> Load it with Linux. Run Apache and create a simple web interface for
> managing the computer, for folks who know nothing about Linux and don't
> want to. Optional RAID. Maybe two HDD capacity so that RAID1 could be
> used, or perhaps the option of four disks in RAID5. No monitor, no
> CD-ROM drive, no floppy, no ripping CDs, no other services running on
> the device. Single purpose only.
>
> With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances, which
> are really underpowered for the task they're being asked to perform,
> this would seem to be a no-brainer.
>
>
> --
> JJZolx
>
> Jim
>

JJZolx
2005-08-22, 10:50
No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part
would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any
cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat"

Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+
at least for parts.

Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a
money maker to me.

$200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer with a large library.

I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom and don't want the noise of a traditional PC.

jimdibb
2005-08-22, 11:07
Yeah, my server's in the basement. With the proliferation of
wireless, seems like you could put it just about anywhere and really
not worry about the noise.

On 8/22/05, JJZolx <JJZolx.1u6g5n (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> jimdibb Wrote:
> > No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part
> > would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any
> > cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat"
> >
> > Sounds too 'niche' to make money off of. Price would have to be $200+
> > at least for parts.
> >
> > Maybe you've looked into the cost more, but it doesn't seem like a
> > money maker to me.
>
> $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying
> create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer
> with a large library.
>
> I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an
> NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be
> large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to
> place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet
> is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom
> and don't want the noise of a traditional PC.
>
>
> --
> JJZolx
>
> Jim
>

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-08-22, 11:23
>>> JJZolx.1u6e2n (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 08/22/05 1:05 PM >>>

> is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to
> run SlimServer. And make some money doing so.

He already is...

<snip>

> With all the interest in running SlimServer on NAS appliances,
> which are really underpowered for the task they're being
> asked to perform, this would seem to be a no-brainer.

Not really...

His name is - Michael Robertson , the product - mp3beamer. The
same dude that created mp3.com and Linspire.

Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed as supported, but
the thing is running slimserver, so I can't imagine it doesn't support

a squeezebox...

Paul

pfarrell
2005-08-22, 11:28
I'm an enterprising person, and have three SBs.
So this starts to be interesting.

On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 10:50 -0700, JJZolx wrote:
> jimdibb Wrote:
> > No ripping CDs? Where does the music come from? The CD ripping part
> > would be one of the best aspects of this type of box. Simple "rip any
> > cd inserted and when done, open the drawer for another, repeat"

I'm not convinced on this. There are serious options and arguments over
ripping, (mp3, flac, wma, cuesheets, etc.) see the slim-ripping list.
And there is a non-trivial problem of what do do when CDDB/Freedb is
wrong, missing, etc.

You have to have this kind of box on a home network, So you _could_ do
the ripping on some other box and move the files to a samba share. Then
gain, that is what I do with my current setup.


> $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying
> create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer
> with a large library.

Just googled ReadyNas, found a review on Tomsnetworking.
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-217-ProdID-H2H5.php
The review unit was over a grand,

There would have to be multiple configurations which would cause
inventory problems, or a Dell-style custom build business. Neither are
cheap at niche volumes.

> I don't really understand the fascination with running SlimServer on an
> NAS appliance, and a quiet one at that, but there certainly seems to be
> large calling for such a thing. I'm guessing people either want to
> place the server in their music listening environment, in which quiet
> is a must, or else they keep the thing in their home office or bedroom
> and don't want the noise of a traditional PC.

There is noise, and then there is noise. When I had my most recent white
box built, I told the local store to use $10 fans instead of $3 fans,
and the unit is much, much better than the box before where I didn't
bother to spec quietness. But that is not the same as quiet enough to go
in the main music room with serious speakers, amps, etc.

Seems to me that if you want it quiet enough for being in occupied
space, you are going to want Tivo or MythTV, etc. functionality while
you are at it. Only adds another $100 or so for a real video card. But
it requires much more care in the noise side, powersupply, CPU fan, case
fans, disk drives, etc.

Given that Dell is advertising modern, new machines for under $300 with
a legal copy of XP, I'm not seeing a crying need here.

Perhaps I should just offer custom configurations on a one-off basis. I
think advertising might be the biggest problem. -- other than 24x7
customer support for linux :-)


>

--
Pat
http://www.pfarrell.com/music/slimserver/slimsoftware.html

Jacob Potter
2005-08-22, 11:32
On 8/22/05, JJZolx <JJZolx.1u6e2n (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> is going to create and sell a small, quiet, turnkey computer to run
> SlimServer. And make some money doing so.

Sorta like the Martian Netdrive? They seem to be gone now, but it was
a pretty nifty-looking unit. VIA EPIA-based, quiet, 3.5" HD, built-in
Slimserver, etc.

- Jacob

JJZolx
2005-08-22, 11:45
> $200+? A large hard drive alone will cost you $100+. I'm just saying
> create the rough equivalent of an NAS with the balls to run SlimServer
> with a large library.[/color]

Just googled ReadyNas, found a review on Tomsnetworking.
http://www.tomsnetworking.com/Reviews-217-ProdID-H2H5.php
The review unit was over a grand,
An NAS with four 300GB SATA drives will be almost $600 for the drives alone, so yes, we're talking over $1000 for a device with that kind of storage. I don't see such a turnkey system, even with a single relatively small (say 200GB) drive costing under $500 or $600.


There would have to be multiple configurations which would cause
inventory problems, or a Dell-style custom build business. Neither are
cheap at niche volumes.
The only (necessary) difference in the configurations would be in quantity and size of hard drives.

kdf
2005-08-22, 12:05
Quoting PAUL WILLIAMSON <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>:


> Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed as supported, but
> the thing is running slimserver, so I can't imagine it doesn't support
>
> a squeezebox...

just look through the screenshots... web interface, Java interface. They look
VERY familiar. I'd say dead cert that a squeezebox would work just fine with
MP3 Beamer

-k--
NOT a Slim Devices employee

Dondi
2005-08-22, 12:31
The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the
SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze'
still embedded in the app window

http://www.mp3beamer.com/ss_java.html

-- D

--- kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> wrote:

> Quoting PAUL WILLIAMSON <pwilliamson (AT) mandtbank (DOT) com>:
>
>
> > Ironically, I don't think the squeezebox is listed
> as supported, but
> > the thing is running slimserver, so I can't
> imagine it doesn't support
> >
> > a squeezebox...
>
> just look through the screenshots... web interface,
> Java interface. They look
> VERY familiar. I'd say dead cert that a squeezebox
> would work just fine with
> MP3 Beamer
>
> -k--
> NOT a Slim Devices employee
>

kdf
2005-08-22, 13:10
Quoting Dondi Fusco <dondi_ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>:

> The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the
> SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze'
> still embedded in the app window
>
exactly :)

and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a supported player.

-k--
NOT a Slim Devices employee

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-08-22, 13:32
>>> slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com 08/22/05 4:10 PM >>>
> Quoting Dondi Fusco <dondi_ (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>:
>
> > The screenshot of the 'Java Interface' has the
> > SoftSqueeze java app with the name 'SofttSqueeze'
> > still embedded in the app window
> >
> exactly :)
>
> and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a
> supported player.
>

D'oh! That's what I get for not scrolling down below the
fancy table to the list of receivers that *should* work
with it...

Paul

audiofi
2005-08-22, 13:35
Why not just buy an old ex-corporate pc off ebay and load it up with a couple of large hard disks and put linux on?

Or get an old Sun box which sell for very little and put a large hard disk in.

Yannzola
2005-08-22, 13:42
and way down near the bottom, Squeezebox IS listed as a supported player.

-k--
NOT a Slim Devices employee

An interesting old thread... http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-12022.html
Looks like there's been a bit of bad blood between MP3Beamer and SlimDevices in the past.

MP3Beamer as standalone software does look interesting as a "plug and play for the masses" alternative to SlimServer.

y.

pfarrell
2005-08-22, 13:55
On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 13:35 -0700, audiofi wrote:
> Why not just buy an old ex-corporate pc off ebay and load it up with a
> couple of large hard disks and put linux on?

The OP talked about a simple to buy, simple to use turnkey server.
With the current prices of new boxes, the used ones have to be
really cheap. Old corporate stuff are typically noisier than I'd want,
YMMV, etc.

Someone has posted about a Linux live disk with SlimServer already to
go. That would be easy enough for me.

--
Pat Farrell
http://www.pfarrell.com

mherger
2005-08-22, 14:02
> Someone has posted about a Linux live disk with SlimServer already to
> go. That would be easy enough for me.

http://www.herger.net/slim/detail.php?nr=763&kategorie=slim

It's what I'm very happily running on my dedicated server. More details
can be found in
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=43590#post43590

--

Michael

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audiofi
2005-08-22, 14:09
I had forgotten about SlimCD, sorry about that, I have been playing with it all afternoon as well!!

Old Compaq and Dell PC's can be picked up on ebay for 10-20, add 60 for a 200Gb hard disk and then run slimcd.

Most of them only have one or two fans which could be swapped for larger quieter ones if necessary.

commike
2005-08-30, 19:04
It's pretty much there with Infrant's ReadyNAS (already mentioned on this thread). I've built my share of PC's, code for real-life 60 hours/week and wasn't about to build another one and spend hours/days configuring it. My time is more important now and the fun of tinkering wore off long ago.

Bought the ReadyNAS (actually the X6 box), and a new SB2. Plugged them both in, set IP addresses, cabled up to my amp, and that was it, about an hour. I now have RAID5 storage for my music and other stuff that's collected on various computers. SlimServer is *officially* supported by Infrant. I don't have to hack the box.

Yes, this is less flexible than building my own PC. I'm at the mercy of the plug-ins that Infrant decides to add and the embedded NAS processor is certainly not a 3Ghz P4. But, it works out of the box, I have RAID protected storage, and music is playing now without any tinkering.

I'd love to see SlimDevices OEM the Infrant development board (or for that matter anyone else's), wrap the SB2 and the NAS in the same sheetmetal,
and go compete with AudioRequest and Escient. That's where the higher margin dollars are. Even better, it's an industrial design and business effort, not a technical one.

...alan