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Lars Chr. Hausmann
2005-08-06, 09:25
Hey,

I have a squeezebox2 which I am quite happy about. I was wondering,
however, if there is any chances that the sb2 will be able to play
ogg/vorbis files in the same manner as it can flac and mp3.

I have all my music encoded in ogg/vorbis to avoid the licensing
issues with mp3, and I dont quite want to use all the space of flac. I
would, however, like to avoid having to recode from ogg/vorbis to
flac.

So is there any chance that the sb2 firmware will be able to handle
ogg/vorbis as well?

Best,

Lars Chr.
--
"I don't mind if you sleep in class. Only, please do not snore. You
are disturbing others who are trying to sleep."
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kdf
2005-08-06, 12:13
On 6-Aug-05, at 9:25 AM, Lars Chr. Hausmann wrote:

> Hey,
>
> I have a squeezebox2 which I am quite happy about. I was wondering,
> however, if there is any chances that the sb2 will be able to play
> ogg/vorbis files in the same manner as it can flac and mp3.
>
> I have all my music encoded in ogg/vorbis to avoid the licensing
> issues with mp3, and I dont quite want to use all the space of flac. I
> would, however, like to avoid having to recode from ogg/vorbis to
> flac.
>
> So is there any chance that the sb2 firmware will be able to handle
> ogg/vorbis as well?
>
Slim Devices has a goal to include as many formats as possible,
especially now since SqueezeNetwork would require native playback for
ogg radio stations. There is an open feature request for this:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1061

you can add your email addy to the cc list if you wish to be notified
of any changes in status on that request. Otherwise, SD tend to stay
away from predicting timelines. if there is demand, then it is a goal.
The only limit is thee ability of the hardware. Given that ogg is
rather processor intensive, it wasn't really likely with the original
Squeezebox, but SB2 ddoes have a lot more power in the box, so the
chance is definitely there.

-kdf

Lars Chr. Hausmann
2005-08-06, 12:39
>>>>> "kdf" == kdf <slim-mail (AT) deane-freeman (DOT) com> writes:

kdf> On 6-Aug-05, at 9:25 AM, Lars Chr. Hausmann wrote:

>> Hey,
>>
>> I have a squeezebox2 which I am quite happy about. I was wondering,
>> however, if there is any chances that the sb2 will be able to play
>> ogg/vorbis files in the same manner as it can flac and mp3.
>>
>> I have all my music encoded in ogg/vorbis to avoid the licensing
>> issues with mp3, and I dont quite want to use all the space of flac. I
>> would, however, like to avoid having to recode from ogg/vorbis to
>> flac.
>>
>> So is there any chance that the sb2 firmware will be able to handle
>> ogg/vorbis as well?
>>

kdf> Slim Devices has a goal to include as many formats as possible,
kdf> especially now since SqueezeNetwork would require native
kdf> playback for ogg radio stations. There is an open feature
kdf> request for this:
kdf> http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1061

I have added my self to the cc list.

kdf> you can add your email addy to the cc list if you wish to be
kdf> notified of any changes in status on that request. Otherwise,
kdf> SD tend to stay away from predicting timelines. if there is
kdf> demand, then it is a goal. The only limit is thee ability of the
kdf> hardware. Given that ogg is rather processor intensive, it
kdf> wasn't really likely with the original Squeezebox, but SB2 ddoes
kdf> have a lot more power in the box, so the chance is definitely
kdf> there.

Well +1 for ogg/vorbis support from me then - and propably from some
of the other people on the CC list.

I was puzzled since I had the understanding that flac was even less
used that ogg/vorbis was - I could of course be mistaken on that
account.

I will wait and hope to see it in the future.

Keep up the good work!

Best,

Lars Chr.

kdf
2005-08-06, 13:26
On 6-Aug-05, at 12:39 PM, Lars Chr. Hausmann wrote:
>
> I was puzzled since I had the understanding that flac was even less
> used that ogg/vorbis was - I could of course be mistaken on that
> account.
>
Well, I suspect you are right. I've known about ogg for far longer
than flac. However, the benefits of FLAC for native format in SB2
makes it a more desirable first option:

1) lossless - its clear from the design of the SB2 that at least
partial consideration was taken for the audiophile crowd. A lossless
playback format would be needed to make the most of the output quality
both digital and via the burr-brown 24-bit DAC.

2) 1/2 bandwidth of WAV - very important for wireless

3) low overhead - from what I understand, the decompression of flac is
very lightweight and completely open source. I think possibly that the
flac libraries may have already been available in a form easily dropped
into the cpu used in the SB2 as well. A ready-made ogg module would
probably go a long way to speeding up its implementation as well :)

-kdf

Grotus
2005-08-06, 13:32
Lars Chr. Hausmann blurted out:
> I was puzzled since I had the understanding that flac was even less
> used that ogg/vorbis was - I could of course be mistaken on that
> account.

Less used, but an easier format to decode. Plus the lossless aspect of
it makes it a nice format to transcode to when you want to save a little
bandwidth over raw PCM.