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gdg
2005-07-31, 15:58
I just got the SB2. I noticed that I can't audition a song and then create, or add it to, a playlist from the remote. The problem is that as soon as one plays a song the entire album is added to "now playing/playlist". Of course if the song is not playing it can be added but then one has to know all the songs ahead of time in order to create a playlist from the listening position. That's in addition to the fact that one can't modify and then overwrite an existing playlist. It must be renamed and the previous one deleted.
BUMMER!!!

Jacob Potter
2005-07-31, 16:05
On 7/31/05, gdg <gdg.1t23m0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> I just got the SB2. I noticed that I can't audition a song and then add
> too or create a playlist from the remote. The problem is that as soon
> as one plays a song the entire album is added to "now
> playing/playlist".

Server Settings -> Behavior -> "Play other songs in album".

- Jacob

seanadams
2005-07-31, 16:09
That is by design, but you can change it.

Go to Server Settings -> Behavior

change "Play other songs in album" to "play only selected song"

seanadams
2005-07-31, 16:12
I think I misunderstood your question.

You want to play a song without changing the current playlist (that is, alas, the whole notion of "Now Playing" as designed)

So no, you can't do that... But if you can think of a reasonable user interface for doing this (that wouldn't be confusing to beginners) we could consider adding it.

gdg
2005-07-31, 16:32
Let me clarify. I want to be able to audition a song and then place in on a playlist (from the remote). I want to be able to go through this process with successive songs and make a playlist from the listening chair. It doesn't appear that can be done.

Ps Changing the server setting as described above doesn't help because as soon as you play a song it goes on the now playing/playlist. I want to be able to decide to put it there.

seanadams
2005-07-31, 16:42
OK - so we're on the same page now.

Our UI has a notion of:

- Your music collection
- "Now Playing" - whats, uh, now playing.
- Saved playlists

It does not have a way to play something without changing "now playing".

What you _can_ do though is add a single song to the "now playing" queue, listen to it, and then remove it if you don't like it. The system does actually do what you want, just maybe not at first glance. :)

The task you're asking the UI to provide seems reasonable enough, but I think it would be extremely confusing if there were essentially another layer on top of "now playing" for what's "now NOW playing". Can you think of a better way to express this operation than the "add/remove" interface provided?

gdg
2005-07-31, 16:44
"playlist" and "now playing" are one and the same.
One would need a "now playing" and a separate memory location for the building of a playlist.

gdg
2005-07-31, 16:48
A delete button would also work. That way one could listen then add or subtract it from the playlist. (that's what you do in the computer interface).

MrC
2005-07-31, 16:50
Try the fishbone skin - it has delete track / album buttons.

JJZolx
2005-07-31, 16:55
The task you're asking the UI to provide seems reasonable enough, but I think it would be extremely confusing if there were essentially another layer on top of "now playing" for what's "now NOW playing". Can you think of a better way to express this operation than the "add/remove" interface provided?
Seems like Now Playing should (or could) only represent what is actively being played, while the song queue/playlist could be something completely different. Then a 'preview' function would bump the Now Playing track while leaving the queue undisturbed.

I've never use another digital music player that offers a preview function, so why this is a big shortcoming of the SB, I can't understand.

seanadams
2005-07-31, 17:00
A delete button would also work. That way one could listen then add or subtract it from the playlist. (that's what you do in the computer interface).

In the context of "Now Playing", "add" removes songs from the queue. add=remove, retarded, I know. Just think of it as "un-add" since it's the only action that makes sense for the context - i.e. "add" toggles it in and out of the playlist. Other ways we could have done it:

- label it "add/subtract" - okay so which is it going to do?

- have a separate subtract/delete button - okay now what does that button do when you're in "Browse Music"?

In the web interface, we have the ability attach appropriate UI actions to a song depending on context (ie on the left side of the screen you have "Add" and "play", and on the right side you have "move" and "remove"). On the remote, however, there are a limited number of buttons that need to do something reasonable in a given context. Adding more buttons does not always make it easier.

gdg
2005-07-31, 17:07
Seems like Now Playing should (or could) only represent what is actively being played, while the song queue/playlist could be something completely different. Then a 'preview' function would bump the Now Playing track while leaving the queue undisturbed.
.

You've nailed it.

I want to be able to create a playback list on a whim and depending on the mood I'm in at that excact moment(probably for one timie only). It seems to me that's a fairly basic expectation.
Why would you NOT want a preview function. You'd have to have every song in your CD collection commited to memory? I certainly don't.

gdg
2005-07-31, 17:19
In the context of "Now Playing", "add" removes songs from the queue. add=remove, retarded, I know. Just think of it as "un-add" since it's the only action that makes sense for the context - i.e. "add" toggles it in and out of the playlist. Other ways we could have done it:

- label it "add/subtract" - okay so which is it going to do?

- have a separate subtract/delete button - okay now what does that button do when you're in "Browse Music"?

In the web interface, we have the ability attach appropriate UI actions to a song depending on context (ie on the left side of the screen you have "Add" and "play", and on the right side you have "move" and "remove"). On the remote, however, there are a limited number of buttons that need to do something reasonable in a given context. Adding more buttons does not always make it easier.

Maybe I'm missing something. If one is in the "play other songs in album" mode the "add" button does in fact delete. The problem is that one would have to delete ALL the songs one "doesn't want" instead of adding the occasional one that one does want. Not very practical.
On the other hand in "play only selected song" mode the "add" button does indeed add and now there are 2 off the same thing in the "now playing/playlist". Worse. As soon as one goes to another song the current list disappears. In this case not workable at all.

Back to my original comment. Another memory location is neccessary for this application. I'm surprised that this is not an issue. The very first things I've tried to do with the SB2 have been impossible. ie.
1) modify and add to a playlist on the fly (from the listening chair) as I discover new things I'd like in the list.
2) create a short term playlist from scratch from the listening chair
If these 2 things were possible this thing would be TOTALLY IT.

JJZolx
2005-07-31, 17:21
Why would you NOT want a preview function?
I'll give you several reasons why I wouln't use it. The first being the most important.

--- I find the remote interface to be incredibly tedious for all but the simplest of SB operations.

--- If I want a spur of the moment playlist, I'll do it at my computer.

--- If I'm not familiar with a tune, I might preview it in Winamp first, then add it through the web UI to the SlimServer Now Playing queue. But it's not likely I'd even bother. It's a little like a jukebox in a bar - people don't usually play tunes they're not familiar with.

I can't evan fathom how time-consuming and frustrating putting together playlists using the SB remote UI would be, especially if you're going to start previewing tracks before adding them.

seanadams
2005-07-31, 17:33
Seriously - how EXACTLY do you want this to work?

A "preview" button?
A "delete" button?
Different functionality for the "add" button?

Describe what button(s) you want, and what they should do in every context, what should be shown on the screen when you press them, and what should happen to the playlist. If you have a better idea than the way we've done it, we're all ears.

What you're asking for is "syntactic sugar" - a better way to express something that can already be done. That's great, we love that - what do you propose?

Consider also what a new user would expect - beginners are making the transition from CD players, which just play a dozen or so tracks, and do not let you play some other CD in the middle of the one you're listening to! I'm not saying we're tied to the status quo, but it has to be "intuitive".

(Yes this is meant to come off as a "challenge", but I'm also trying to be constructive - you have a fine idea but I'm not able to visualize a workable interface on my own).

gdg
2005-07-31, 17:59
Doing it at the computer is not a problem. The interface is flexible enough. I don't want to have to think ahead, otherwise I'd still have a CDP and just get up every time I want to listen to a CD.
And why should I have to think ahead? The whole point of this is to be able play music as flexably and easily a possible. More to the point, what I'm asking has been a basic feature on virtually any CDP since they were invented. While I suspect that many people don't use it have always found it very usefull to be able to quickly list a selection of tracks I want to listen to at that given moment. What's more is it is ridiculously simple. I don't NEED to preview if I don't want to.
I either just list the track number and press add or...
if I can't remember which ones I like, I give a quick listen to each tune and then press the "add" button before moving on.
What's so confusing and why is it a problem to have this feature if you don't use it? I can tell you one thing. I do use the feature and will sorely miss it.

gdg
2005-07-31, 19:06
I just realized that I can't even do what I'm proposing from the computer. When creating a playlist, as soon as I attemp to play a song (because I need to preview it), the list is deleted. Unfortuneatly I suspect there are fundamental technical issues with the creation of an additional "que" where one could store song selections (that are previewed in the playlist)

You want a suggestion? Here's a simple halfway measure that I would find VERY usefull.

THE CURRENT ISSUE:
How do you create playlists?

THE PROBLEM:
You have to have already decided what you want to put in the list BEFORE it's created. How do you do that?
You can keep a pen and paper at the listening position and jot down interesting songs as they are "discovered" or you can try and build the list from memory.
Neither of these techniques is very "efficient" nor particularly "intuitive".

THE SOLUTION:
As a halfway measure one thing I would find VERY usefull (and easy to implement) would a "flag" button (on the remote)so that one could keep track of tunes that one wants to put in a playlist at a later time (other than when SB2 is actually playing).
At the computer interface this "flag" could show up as a check mark beside the song track. One could then visually search for the flagged songs or better yet, use a search feature to locate the "flagged" tunes . It would then be easy(er) to mix and match songs in playlists.
*In terms of needing a new button on the remote I believe that would also be an easy problem to solve:
Just use the current "add" button and give it 2 user defined functions "flag" or "add" (which could be toggled in the server settings menu).

PS
I have done something like my own version of a "flag" technique for years. On the back of the CD box I would simply "check" or circle (with permanent marker) the songs that I liked. That would facilitate the quick creation of a "selected tracks" playback list on my CDP whenever I cued up that CD.

Phillip Kerman
2005-07-31, 20:06
>You'd have to have every
> song in your CD collection commited to memory? I certainly don't.

An interesting side effect of having the SB is that I am way closer to
really having everything memorized. That is, before I could tell you from
which album every song was because I had just stuck in the CD. But, now I
can tell you the track, album, and probably the year.

Sorry if this distracts from the original thread but it's one of the first
thing I noticed happening once I really started to use my SB.

Thanks,
Phillip

Josef Shvejk
2005-07-31, 20:45
It sounds similar to the gmail starred feature:

*Starred - Messages or conversations to which you've given a special status
so you can follow up on them later.
*
Interesting concept....

On 7/31/05, gdg <gdg.1t2cen (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> THE SOLUTION:
> As a halfway measure one thing I would find VERY usefull (and easy to
> implement) would a "flag" button (on the remote)so that one could keep
> track of tunes that one wants to put in a playlist at a later time
> (other than when SB2 is actually playing).
> At the computer interface this "flag" could show up as a check mark
> beside the song track. One could then visually search for the flagged
> songs or better yet, use a search feature to locate the "flagged" tunes

fcm4711
2005-08-01, 01:43
Is it correct that you would like to have something like this: Play a song for a couple of seconds and then move on to the next song (without actually adding them already to a playlist) to see which ones you like to hear and pressing a button (add?) while playing would add them to the now playing playlist?

The other idea I had when reading about your preselection tags on your CD covers. Why not separate your music library in two different directories. One labeled 'Songs I like' and the other 'Songs I do not like so much'. Then using 'Browse playlist' would allow you to only 'see' the song you like and choosing from them. But you still had access to all songs.

BTW: Since using MP3 players like SB2 I started to listen to music in my collection I didn't for years since I also had my 'favorites' on each CD. I also found that my music taste changed over time and not having fix 'favorites' anymore helped me uncovering that.

Felix

Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 01:50
Also sounds a bit like the "rating" function available through both
WinAmp and MusicMagic.

But having said that, I wonder if gdg was talking about intro-scan (as
follows):

1. Select "intro-scan" functionality on a given
album/artist/genre/existing playlist etc - this creates a new playlist
2. A few seconds (e.g. 10) of the first song are played
3. If track is approved by listener, listener presses some button (e.g.
"play") to continue to the end of the track and keep the track in the
playlist
4. If track is rejected by listener, listener presses some button (e.g.
"fwd") which removes the track from the playlist and goes to next track
5. If listener leaves SB running (with no intervention from remote)
then you just get 10 second bursts of each track (and a huge playlist)

So in the context of "intro-scan" the "fwd" button would have different
functionality; it would, in fact, have 2 functions combined (in this
context) - (1) "skip track" instead of the current "fast forward" and
also (2) delete currently playing track from playlist.

Does that sound about right?

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It sounds similar to the gmail starred feature:

Starred - Messages or conversations to which you've given a special
status so you can follow up on them later.

Interesting concept....

gdg
2005-08-01, 02:51
Felix,
That's essentially what one has to do now. In theory it sounds fine. The problem is that building custom playlists (or folders) is not an instantaneous task (unless of course you have your entire music collectiom memorized). Otherwise it is an ongoing process.


Dan,
I guess the "intro scan" function solves the problem of building a quick playlist. The flip side of the issue is that I would like to put together playlists at my own pace, sometimes quickly and sometimes as an ongoing process. In a perfect world I would have an empty playlist available that I could build on my own timeline and (if I choose)using songs that are currently playing (in the "now playing" list). The fundamental problem is that the "playlist" (before it is saved) and "now playing" are one and the same. In order to do what I want it must be recognized that they serve different functions and would need to be separated. I'm not sure that can be done.
On the other hand I do believe that my "suggestion" to Sean about a simple "flag" would be the most efficient way to address the issue. Let's face it, it's unlikely that I or anyone is going to get "perfect" functionality. I'll settle for having usefull functions that help get me there. I would be more than satisfied with the abitity to flag (and maybe search to retrieve these flags).

Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 03:06
Perhaps something along the lines of a "Favourites" list? I'm thinking
along the lines of the "flag" or "mark" idea:

1. Listening to whatever is on the current playlist, and hear a song
that stands out above the rest;
2. Use some functionality on the remote to add the currently playing
track to an ad-hoc "Favourites" playlist;
3. Meantime, the current playlist continues;
4. At some point in the future, navigate to "Favourites" (which would
require a new menu item under the "Browse Music" hierarchy) to play back
your selected favourites.

For the additional functionality in the remote, how about something like
"press and hold <x>"

e.g. "press and hold play" or "press and hold "repeat" to add to
"Favourites" playlist.

This would require a new functionality for one of the remote buttons,
plus an addition to the current "Browse Music" menu tree.

I have no idea about this sort of thing, so don't know how feasible it
would be to implement. But having thought about it, it would be quite a
cool feature and one that I would probably use.

>From a PC, it would then be possible to sae the "Favourites" as a
"normal" playlist

Craig, James (IT)
2005-08-01, 03:10
Isn't this pretty much what the 'zapped' playlist does?
You press and hold the 'add' key to move the currently playing song to
it, rather than just delete it.

I haven't used it for a while but I assume it still works?

James
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gdg
2005-08-01, 03:13
Having thought it through some more the issue is clearly that the playlist (before it is saved) and "now playing" are the one and same. To get the functionality I'm talking about they need to be separated. (I don't think any new buttons on the remote are required) That's all that would be required though I suspect that's not so easily implemented.

Barring that I would be MORE than happy with the abitity to "flag" songs as described earlier.

Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes
2005-08-01, 03:13
gdg

On Monday 01 August 2005 10:51, gdg wrote:
> Dan,
> I guess the "intro scan" function solves the problem of building a
> quick playlist. The flip side of the issue is that I would like to put
> together playlists at my own pace, sometimes quickly and sometimes as
> an ongoing process. In a perfect world I would have an empty playlist
> available that I could build on my own timeline and using songs that
> are currently playing (in the "now playing" list). The fundamental
> problem is that the "playlist" (before it is saved) and "now playing"
> are one and the same. In order to do what I want it must be recognized
> that they serve different functions and would need to be separated. I'm
> not sure that can be done.
> On the other hand I do believe that my "suggestion" to Sean about a
> simple "flag" would be the most efficient way to address the issue.
> Let's face it, it's unlikely that I or anyone is going to get "perfect"
> functionality. I'll settle for having usefull functions that help get me
> there. I would be more than satisfied with the abitity to flag (and
> maybe search to retrieve these flags).

how does this sound:-

1. we maintain the current "playlist == now playing" model as for most people
this is exactly what is required and changing this would be very troublesome
and confusing for the vast majority of people. We refer to this as the "now
playing playlist" for now...

2. we create a space that holds a "secondary playlist" which can be assigned
to any existing playlist in the playlist folder, or a new empty playlist.

3. we create a function which adds the currently playing song from the "now
playing playlist" to the "secondary playlist", but which does not change
anything else, ie the "now playing playlist" continues to function as per
normal and the song continues playing.

4. we create a function that makes the "secondary playlist" into the "now
playing playlist", thereby making it possible to use the existing editing
functions on the web interface for re-ordering and deleting items on the "now
playing playlist".

5. we create a final function that makes the "now playing playlist" into the
"secondary playlist" to perform the opposite of point 4, thereby enabling you
to continue browsing for new tracks after editing your "secondary playlist"
without buggering up your playlist.

I'm not familiar with the internal structure of the slim server code
architecture, but the above feels like it should not be a major refactoring
because it never needs to actual play anything from the "secondary playlist"
thereby keeping the core architecture pretty much identical. Obviously there
would have to be a little bit of thought about how to represent what was
going on when trying to perform the above through the squeeze box UI to avoid
it getting confusing, but I would imagine that this sort of thing might well
be done through the web interface rather than via the remote control.

Alex

Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 03:16
I've seen the zap button in the fishbone skin on the web panel - but how
do I call up the zapped playlist?

I always assumed it simply deleted the zapped tune from the playlist - I
don't know it send the tune somewhere else... Plus I always though
pressing/holding 'add' button just added a track to the end of the
current playlist (rather than creating a new playlist of 1 single track,
and clearing the current playlist)

Damn - this zap thing sounds pretty cool - how do I use it?

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Isn't this pretty much what the 'zapped' playlist does?
You press and hold the 'add' key to move the currently playing song to
it, rather than just delete it.

I haven't used it for a while but I assume it still works?

James
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Craig, James (IT)
2005-08-01, 03:23
As I recall, you need to be on the 'now playing' screen, where pressing
'add' removes the current track.
However holding it down moves the track to a playlist called 'Zapped
Songs'.

You should then be able to browse that playlist in the usual manner
(it won't exist if you've never zapped anything)

James
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Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 03:31
Cool - yep, I've just found it through the web panel. Excellent :)

Going to have a play with it to see how it works through the remote.

Cheers!
Dan.

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As I recall, you need to be on the 'now playing' screen, where pressing
'add' removes the current track.
However holding it down moves the track to a playlist called 'Zapped
Songs'.

You should then be able to browse that playlist in the usual manner
(it won't exist if you've never zapped anything)

James
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Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 03:33
Question for gdg though:

James - although I get the idea of the functionality you require, I've
never seen this functionality on any CD player. In one of your earlier
posts, you mentioned that this is a common feature of the standard CD
player...

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Cool - yep, I've just found it through the web panel. Excellent :)

Going to have a play with it to see how it works through the remote.

Cheers!
Dan.

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As I recall, you need to be on the 'now playing' screen, where pressing
'add' removes the current track.
However holding it down moves the track to a playlist called 'Zapped
Songs'.

You should then be able to browse that playlist in the usual manner
(it won't exist if you've never zapped anything)

James
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max.spicer
2005-08-01, 04:56
If you press Add on a song that is already in the playlist, it will be removed.

Max


A delete button would also work. That way one could listen then add or subtract it from the playlist. (that's what you do in the computer interface).

Dan Goodinson
2005-08-01, 05:08
Indeed it does. Damn. The "zap" thing sounds very cool, too. Any way
to access this functionality via the remote?

I have a hazy recollection of pressing/holding add button to add a
selected track to the end of the current playlist. So if you've sorted
out your playlist, and are browsing other tracks with the remote, then
you can append the playlist rather than overwriting it. I _think_
that's right, anyway.

Although would be quality to be able to "zap" track using the remote...

Anyone?

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If you press Add on a song that is already in the playlist, it will be
removed.

Max

gdg Wrote:
> A delete button would also work. That way one could listen then add or

> subtract it from the playlist. (that's what you do in the computer
> interface).


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Craig, James (IT)
2005-08-01, 05:13
Dan,
All these actions can be done from the remote.
You just need to be in the 'now playing' playlist.

(I didn't even know there was a 'zap' button on any of the skins)

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superbad
2005-08-01, 07:57
An interface proposal for the original question, a way of playing a song without adding it to the playlist:

1. Press and hold "Play" on the remote to pause the current playlist (if anything is playing) and play ("preview") the selected song without adding it to the Now Playing playlist.

2. Press "Add" to stop the previewed song and add it to the end of the Now Playing playlist. Press "Pause" on the remote during a preview to stop the song and jump back to whatever you were doing before the preview.

3. Add a "preview" button to the web interface to do the same thing as #1 above.

Reasonably intuitive, and not something you would happen upon without knowing it's there (avoiding new user confusion).

Gdg, is that what you are looking for? I actually think it's not a bad idea. I build all my playlists in itunes, but I might use SS instead if this feature were in there. In itunes, I play a song to decide if I want to use it, then drag it to the playlist if I do. This kind of does the same thing.

The bad news is that I have no idea whether this is even technically feasible in the software architecture, nor do I have the skills to implement it if it is.

Aaron Zinck
2005-08-01, 08:18
You can get pretty close to your flag idea if you take advantage of the
"zapped songs" functionality. When playing a song in "Now Playing", if you
press and hold the "add" button the song will be removed from "Now Playing"
and added to your "Zapped Songs" playlist. Once you've added all the tracks
you want to add to "Zapped Songs" then just load up the "Zapped Songs"
playlist and save it as a new playlist under any name.

The only drawback is that the next time you want to do this you'll need to
go to your computer and manually clear the "Zapped Songs" playlist. Or I'm
sure a plugin could be developed to accomplish that.


>
> I just realized that I can't even do what I'm proposing from the
> computer. When creating a playlist, as soon as I attemp to play a song
> (because I need to preview it), the list is deleted. Unfortuneatly I
> suspect there are fundamental technical issues with the creation of an
> additional "que" where one could store song selections (that are
> previewed in the playlist)
>
> You want a suggestion? Here's a simple halfway measure that I would
> find VERY usefull.
>
> THE CURRENT ISSUE:
> How do you create playlists?
>
> THE PROBLEM:
> You have to have already decided what you want to put in the list
> BEFORE it's created and how do you do that?
> Do you keep a pen and paper at your listening seat and note each song
> that you like while it's playing in order to create the list later? Do
> you memorize the stuff you want to "playlist"?
> These techniques are neither very "efficient" nor particularly
> "intuitive".
>
> THE SOLUTION:
> As a halfway measure one thing I would find VERY usefull (and easy to
> implement) would a "flag" button (on the remote)so that one could keep
> track of tunes that one wants to put in a playlist at a later time
> (other than when SB2 is actually playing).
> At the computer interface this "flag" could show up as a check mark
> beside the song track. One could then visually search for the flagged
> songs or better yet, use a search feature to locate the "flagged" tunes
> . It would then be easy(er) to mix and match songs in playlists.
> *In terms of needing a new button on the remote I believe that would
> also be an easy problem to solve:
> Just use the current "add" button and give it 2 user defined funtions
> "flag" or "add" (which could be toggled in the server settings menu).
>
> PS
> I have done something my own version of a "flag" technique for years.
> On the back of the CD box I would simply "check" or circle (with
> permanent marker) the songs that I liked. That would facilitate the
> quick creation of a "selected tracks" playback list on my CDP whenever
> I cued up that CD.
>
>
> --
> gdg

Aaron Zinck
2005-08-01, 08:20
Ha...sorry...I didn't see this branch before I posted this same idea to the
other branch...

> Isn't this pretty much what the 'zapped' playlist does?
> You press and hold the 'add' key to move the currently playing song to
> it, rather than just delete it.

> I haven't used it for a while but I assume it still works?

> James

MeSue
2005-08-01, 09:27
I'm still not sure I understand what gdg wants after reading this thread, but I wanted to say that I LOVE the two ideas posted by Dan Goodinson for intro-scan and a Favorites list. (Messages #21 and #23 for those reading from the Web board.)

dean
2005-08-01, 10:00
On Aug 1, 2005, at 7:57 AM, superbad wrote:

>
> An interface proposal for the original question, a way of playing a
> song
> without adding it to the playlist:
>
> 1. Press and hold "Play" on the remote to pause the current playlist
> (if anything is playing) and play ("preview") the selected song
> without
> adding it to the Now Playing playlist.
>
> 2. Press "Add" to stop the previewed song and add it to the end of the
> Now Playing playlist. Press "Pause" on the remote during a preview to
> stop the song and jump back to whatever you were doing before the
> preview.
>
> 3. Add a "preview" button to the web interface to do the same thing as
> #1 above.
>
> Reasonably intuitive, and not something you would happen upon without
> knowing it's there (avoiding new user confusion).
One issue with new users is that they often press and hold without
knowing it. We need to make sure that the press-and-hold behavior is
a superset of the press once behavior (or very similar) and doesn't
do anything scary or unexpected. (For example, pressing-and-holding
ADD when browsing Now Playing removes a track, the same as one quick
press, and then adds it to the zapped song list.)

MeSue
2005-08-01, 10:11
One issue with new users is that they often press and hold without knowing it.
As a new user myself, I can attest to this. In fact, after two weeks with the SB2, I am still getting used to it. Maybe I am heavy-handed or something but I keep doing a press-and-hold when I only meant to press. I was wondering if there was any way to adjust the amount of time it takes for a press-and-hold to register?

kdf
2005-08-01, 11:26
On 1-Aug-05, at 5:13 AM, Craig, James (IT) wrote:

> Indeed it does. Damn. The "zap" thing sounds very cool, too. Any way
> to access this functionality via the remote?
>
> I have a hazy recollection of pressing/holding add button to add a
> selected track to the end of the current playlist. So if you've sorted
> out your playlist, and are browsing other tracks with the remote, then
> you can append the playlist rather than overwriting it. I _think_
> that's right, anyway.
>
> Although would be quality to be able to "zap" track using the remote...
>
> Anyone?
>

yes, press and hold add will zap.


really, I'm failing to see what any of this thread has to do with
'serious flaws'

if you want a feature enhancement, please file at:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com

-kdf

mac
2005-08-01, 11:29
On 1-Aug-05, at 5:13 AM, Craig, James (IT) wrote:
I'm failing to see what any of this thread has to do with 'serious flaws'

if you want a feature enhancement, please file at:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com

-kdf
Agreed on both counts.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5735.html

fuzzyT
2005-08-01, 12:07
MeSue wrote:
> dean Wrote:
>
>>One issue with new users is that they often press and hold without
>>knowing it.

it's not just new users. i experience this fairly often, mostly due to
inconsistent UI responsiveness on the SB2.

Example:

i push a button once, nothing happens.

(this may be due to a bad button press, or the fact the the SS is taking
something more than the usual amount of time to respond)

my immediate response, and i think that of many people, is to press
again only harder and longer. voila, unintentional press-and-hold.
once the SB2 interface snaps back to life, various forms of hilarity can
ensue.

usually the slow response is on first use of the SB2 after some amount
of idle time. seems to be an issue of the server having to get back to
a more active state for this service. (VM swap, DB connection timeout, ???)

most notable lag: firing SB2 for the first time in a couple of hours and
going straight to 'Browse New'. it will often just get stuck there.

will post more on this as i am able to better characterize the problem.
didn't really mean to start a thread on this, just reacting to the
unintentional press-and-hold thought.

--rt

gdg
2005-08-01, 13:22
[QUOTE=Dan Goodinson]Question for gdg though:

James - although I get the idea of the functionality you require, I've
never seen this functionality on any CD player. In one of your earlier
posts, you mentioned that this is a common feature of the standard CD
player...


Dan,
That was me. I was referring to the favororite track feature. I'm sure most people never used it or even knew it was there. Sony had an interesting take on the feature. A few of their models at one point had a file system where you could program the favourite tracks from 200 cds (if I remember correctly). Everytime you played the cd it would remember your selections and only play those. Unfortuneatly this kind of functionality did not have priority over audio quality so Sony was not a candidate for me. Now with the SB2, one can have quality (with an external Dac) and functionality.

gdg
2005-08-01, 13:40
Refering to where I should be posting and what "tone" I should adopt to please you:


Agreed on both counts.

http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5735.html

Why don't you lighten up.
I wasn't originaly trying to get a feature change. I was fishing for other people's way of working around this issue. I still havn't found one. But I havn't explored what a "skin" is yet and maybe that's where the answer lies. I got that info here and that my friend is the purpose of the forum. As to whether this is a "flaw" or "lack of functionality" or whatever you want to call it... who cares?
I'm trying to find a way of fulfilling a basic requirement that I have as a user. Is that OK with you?

Mitch Harding
2005-08-01, 13:48
I haven't seen anyone reply to this part of the reported problem.

I routinely add tracks to playlists, and then save the playlist with
the same name. It prompts me to make sure I really want to overwrite
the previous playlist, but if I confirm that I do, it saves it with no
problem.

This is via the web interface -- I haven't tried it via remote
control. As other have stated, I far prefer to use the computer for
playlist creation.

On 7/31/05, gdg <gdg.1t23m0 (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> Ps That's in addition to the fact that one can't modify and then
> overwrite an existing playlist. It must be renamed and the previous one
> deleted. :(

gdg
2005-08-01, 13:56
Mitch,
Have you tried doing this with a song that is playing? That's where I run into a problem. Once again, you need to know what you are going to add to the playlist beforehand. You can't audition and add at the same time. It you try and do this there is a conflict between the playlist and "now playing".

Auchter, Richard
2005-08-01, 13:59
It's hard to your subject line "The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!"
as the work of anything other than a troll. If you want help you might try
being a little more diplomatic.

ra

-----Original Message-----
From: gdg [mailto:gdg.1t3rso (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com]
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 1:40 PM
To: discuss (AT) lists (DOT) slimdevices.com
Subject: [slim] Re: The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!


Refering to where I should be posting and what "tone" I should adopt to
please you:

mac Wrote:
> Agreed on both counts.
>
> http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5735.html

Why don't you lighten up.
I wasn't originaly trying to get a feature change. I was fishing for other
people's way of working around this issue. I still havn't found one. But I
havn't explored what a "skin" is yet and maybe that's where the answer lies.
I got that info here and that my friend is the purpose of the forum. As to
whether this is a "flaw" or "lack of functionslity"
or whatever you want to call it... who cares?
I'm trying to find a way of fulfilling a basic requirement that I have as a
user. Is that OK with you?


--
gdg

gdg
2005-08-01, 13:59
I have no idea what this is, what a skin is etc etc.
If I use it will it irreversably change my Slimserver UI? I guess the better question. Is there literature and a description of how this works somewhere.
Ps I'm not a hacker and have no software skills.

DrNic
2005-08-01, 14:12
I have no idea what this is, what a skin is etc etc.
If I use it will it irreversably change my Slimserver UI? I guess the better question. Is there literature and a description of how this works somewhere.
Ps I'm not a hacker and have no software skills.

Server Settings - Interface - Web Interface (drop down)
It doesn't irreversibly change anything, just put it back to default if you don't like the one you choose (there are many there).
Make sure you refresh the browser when you change or it won't look right.
Hope that helps.
I can appreciate that sometimes things are frustrating, and I can see your point with the thread, but I do echo some of the feelings shared by many long time users to you. Asking for help is fine, we all try to give it when possible, but sometimes (unintentional) tone can rile peoples feelings!!!

Hope we can get you someway to your goal, though there is not (AFAIK) a "fix" that will exactly match your request....

Nic

gdg
2005-08-01, 14:24
[QUOTE=Auchter, Richard]It's hard to your subject line "The SB2 appears to have some serious flaws!"
as the work of anything other than a troll. If you want help you might try
being a little more diplomatic.

It's a flaw to me and I call it as I see it. If I like something I say so (on other forums I have been quick to praise the audio superiority of the bit perfect streaming that the SB2 is capable of) and if I don't like something I say so. You can stick it if you have a problem with that pal.

Mitch Harding
2005-08-01, 14:37
No, I haven't done that.

I was just replying to your specific point that you "...can't modify
and then overwrite an existing playlist. It must be renamed and the
previous one deleted. :("

Which isn't true. You can load a playlist, add or remove songs, and
then save it under the same name (overwriting the old one). I do this
frequently.

This has nothing to do with your preview request. I admit there is no
way to do that currently (via the remote control, anyway). For me, I
know most of my songs well enough to not need a preview. When I am in
the mood to audition music, I usually do it from the PC. I have
Winamp open to preview, and then construct the playlist using the
Slimserver software.

On 8/1/05, gdg <gdg.1t3spz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> Mitch,
> Have you tried doing this with a song that is playing? That's where I
> run into a problem. Once again, you need to know what you are going to
> add to the playlist beforehand. You can't audition and add at the same
> time. It you try and do this there is a conflict between the playlist
> and "now playing".
>
>
> --
> gdg
>

DrNic
2005-08-01, 14:42
It's a flaw to me and I call it as I see it. If I like something I say so (on other forums I have been quick to praise the audio superiority of the bit perfect streaming that the SB2 is capable of) and if I don't like something I say so. You can stick it if you have a problem with that pal.

OK,lets be nice to each other.
All these comments only serve to create animosity between users.
This won't help you get the answers you need today, or tomorrow...

Nic

Marc Sherman
2005-08-01, 15:41
gdg wrote:
>
> Why don't you lighten up.
> I wasn't originaly trying to get a feature change. I was fishing for
> other people's way of working around this issue. I still havn't found
> one. But I havn't explored what a "skin" is yet and maybe that's where
> the answer lies. I got that info here and that my friend is the purpose
> of the forum. As to whether this is a "flaw" or "lack of functionslity"
> or whatever you want to call it... who cares?
> I'm trying to find a way of fulfilling a basic requirement that I have
> as a user. Is that OK with you?

GDG, this is an open source community. The people who are reading your
message are the people who donate their free time to work on this
software as a hobby. If you insult them like that, they're just as
likely to say, "screw it, I've got better things to do with my time" as
they are to actually implement the (perfectly legitimate, and quite
useful sounding) enhancement request you have.

It's frustrating to see people treat the slimserver hackers poorly;
doubly so when the people doing it have really good feature requests
that I'd like to see implemented, and I fear that the good idea will get
tarred with the bad attitude.

- Marc

MeSue
2005-08-01, 16:11
GDG: Would this achieve what you are after?

1. Add all songs you want to audition to "now playing."
2. Start playing
3. When you have heard enough of the song to make a determination, eitherů
-> A. Zap the song to remove the song and audition the next song.
-> B. Press Fwd to leave the song and audition the next song.
4. Continue to the end of the playlist.
5. When you have auditioned every song, you can eitherů
-> A. save the playlist for future enjoyment, or
-> B. begin playing the keepers from the beginning.

I guess I don't understand how this is radically different from what you want.

Yannzola
2005-08-01, 17:58
I'm sorry if I'm mistaken... but isn't there already a Favorites plugin available for streams? I use it all the time ( for shoutcast at least...). Would something similiar (applied universally) help to solve this problem?

What if this functionality was accessible from =any= track "now playing", using the current "Favorites" plugin interface convention (right arrow to toggle add/remove)?. No extra buttons would be needed on the remote, the extra functionality would be contextually tied to the song currently playing via the directional arrows. Once you've got all your Favorites picked, a playlist is created which you could rename (via remote, if possible???) and save.

However, my =favorite= idea mentioned so far involves implementing some form of ratings system... This would be great!

The ratings info could be written to a tracks ID metadata... in fact I think "RATING" is already an unofficial tag. Perhaps "Ratings" could even replace "zapped" and "favorites" all together... songs you =really= don't like are rated "*", your favorites "****", etc. All of these ratings create their own playlists, each containing the songs of that particular rating.... an instance of any of these lists could be "Saved as" a renamed playlist (similiar to how the current Zapped list behaves )

Perhaps "actions" could then be performed on these playlists... for instance "Never play songs rated "*" or Only play songs rated "****"


y.

wr420
2005-08-01, 18:11
I'm sure this kitchen can use another cook..

How about a "send to" plugin
During the playback of any song, playlist item ect..
Hold down some button on the remote. A send to dialog would appear on
the screen allowing you to choose an existing playlist to add that song
to or option to create a new one.

Although there is probably a feature request or a plugin already created
for this I just felt like the topic deserved another post;)
Matt

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2005-08-01, 18:46
On Tuesday 02 August 2005 02:11, Matt Alioto wrote:
> How about a "send to" plugin
> During the playback of any song, playlist item ect..
> Hold down some button on the remote. A send to dialog would appear on
> the screen allowing you to choose an existing playlist to add that song
> to or option to create a new one.

This is basically what I was suggesting in my earlier post. However, I think
that prompting you for the target playlist each time that you want to save a
song would get time consuming. Much better to define your secondary playlist
once and then this be the target until you next change it.

Alex

wr420
2005-08-01, 19:05
Sorry Alex, I didn't see your post cause of the prepended subject line.
The serious flaws part was cut off.
The reason I suggested to select a playlist was I never plan on making
the playlist ahead of time. I've got over 40,000 songs in almost every
part of the spectrum and I forget what's in there sometimes. I just put
random tracks on sometimes not knowing what's going to come out. I hear
a song and want to add it to a particular list.
I do agree that a selection option would get annoying if I were adding
to the same list or building a particular list for a party or something
to that extent.

Matt

>
> This is basically what I was suggesting in my earlier post. However,
I
> think
> that prompting you for the target playlist each time that you want to
save
> a
> song would get time consuming. Much better to define your secondary
> playlist
> once and then this be the target until you next change it.
>


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2005-08-01, 19:18
Mat

On Tuesday 02 August 2005 03:05, Matt Alioto wrote:
> Sorry Alex, I didn't see your post cause of the prepended subject line.
> The serious flaws part was cut off.

sorry - thought that I would try and make it more accurate and relevant to the
discussion... ;-)

> The reason I suggested to select a playlist was I never plan on making
> the playlist ahead of time. I've got over 40,000 songs in almost every
> part of the spectrum and I forget what's in there sometimes. I just put
> random tracks on sometimes not knowing what's going to come out. I hear
> a song and want to add it to a particular list.

> I do agree that a selection option would get annoying if I were adding
> to the same list or building a particular list for a party or something
> to that extent.

Well if this was the case then in an ideal world I would have something like
(always assuming that the button definitions aren't already defined):-

press and hold 1..9: add current playing tune to the selected playlist in
slots 1..9.
press and hold 0: prompt for a playlist to save current playing tune to.

Then you could set up your most common 9 playlists and rapidly classify things
as you went along, or just drop it into your obscure playlist as and when the
obscure track came up.

I think that these key combinations are currently handled by the Quick Access
plugin, but there may be another combination that was appropriate (is it
possible to detect combinations of key presses?) or run it relatively easily
from the web interface.

<snip>

Alex

wr420
2005-08-01, 19:23
Alex
How about using my selection option and have the selection default to
the last Playlist you "sent to", Or to a predefined configurable default
"send to" playlist? Would that be more acceptable?
Maybe a dual function key?
Press once fast and it automatically adds to a predefined default "send
to" playlist or the last you "sent to".
Press and hold brings up a selection option.
Perhaps a plugin to disable the +/zapped function and replace it with
the "send to" function so it's a bit intuitive.

Matt


>
> Sorry Alex, I didn't see your post cause of the prepended subject
line.
> The serious flaws part was cut off.
> The reason I suggested to select a playlist was I never plan on making
> the playlist ahead of time. I've got over 40,000 songs in almost
every
> part of the spectrum and I forget what's in there sometimes. I just
put
> random tracks on sometimes not knowing what's going to come out. I
hear
> a song and want to add it to a particular list.
> I do agree that a selection option would get annoying if I were adding
> to the same list or building a particular list for a party or
something
> to that extent.
>
> Matt
>
> >
> > This is basically what I was suggesting in my earlier post.
However,
> I
> > think
> > that prompting you for the target playlist each time that you want
to
> save
> > a
> > song would get time consuming. Much better to define your secondary
> > playlist
> > once and then this be the target until you next change it.
> >


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Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes
2005-08-01, 19:41
Matt

On Tuesday 02 August 2005 03:23, Matt Alioto wrote:
> How about using my selection option and have the selection default to
> the last Playlist you "sent to", Or to a predefined configurable default
> "send to" playlist? Would that be more acceptable?

that would make more sense.

> Maybe a dual function key?
> Press once fast and it automatically adds to a predefined default "send
> to" playlist or the last you "sent to".
> Press and hold brings up a selection option.

this would work if there was a button on the remote that wasn't currently
being used (as you need both the single click and the press + hold
functionality).

> Perhaps a plugin to disable the +/zapped function and replace it with
> the "send to" function so it's a bit intuitive.

that would also make sense.

Q. the zapped functionality currently removes the track from the current
playlist. would you envisage the plugin moving the track or copying it to
the new playlist?

You could have something like:-

- press and hold ADD brings up list of playlists defaulting to last selected
playlist (which would be zapped playlist on first invocation).

- use up and down to select saved playlists + zapped playlist + create new
playlist.

- press ADD again to copy the track to the selected playlist. If the selected
playlist was zapped then move instead of copy.

Would it then jump to the end of the currently auditioned track or would it
continue playing it? My gut reaction is to continue playing because it is
easy to jump forwards with the FF button if you need to, but you might want
to add it to several playlists (by repeating the above steps) or you may be
building playlists in a situation when other people are listening to the now
playing tunes and having it jumping around automatically would get annoying.

Alex

wr420
2005-08-02, 07:39
> Matt
>
> On Tuesday 02 August 2005 03:23, Matt Alioto wrote:
> > How about using my selection option and have the selection default
to
> > the last Playlist you "sent to", Or to a predefined configurable
default
> > "send to" playlist? Would that be more acceptable?
>
> that would make more sense.
>
> > Maybe a dual function key?
> > Press once fast and it automatically adds to a predefined default
"send
> > to" playlist or the last you "sent to".
> > Press and hold brings up a selection option.
>
> this would work if there was a button on the remote that wasn't
currently
> being used (as you need both the single click and the press + hold
> functionality).
>
> > Perhaps a plugin to disable the +/zapped function and replace it
with
> > the "send to" function so it's a bit intuitive.
>
> that would also make sense.
>
> Q. the zapped functionality currently removes the track from the
current
> playlist. would you envisage the plugin moving the track or copying
it to
> the new playlist?
>
> You could have something like:-
>
> - press and hold ADD brings up list of playlists defaulting to last
> selected
> playlist (which would be zapped playlist on first invocation).
>
> - use up and down to select saved playlists + zapped playlist + create
new
> playlist.
>
> - press ADD again to copy the track to the selected playlist. If the
> selected
> playlist was zapped then move instead of copy.
>
> Would it then jump to the end of the currently auditioned track or
would
> it
> continue playing it? My gut reaction is to continue playing because
it is
> easy to jump forwards with the FF button if you need to, but you might
> want
> to add it to several playlists (by repeating the above steps) or you
may
> be
> building playlists in a situation when other people are listening to
the
> now
> playing tunes and having it jumping around automatically would get
> annoying.
>
> Alex
>
>

wr420
2005-08-02, 08:02
> Would it then jump to the end of the currently auditioned track or
would
> it
> continue playing it? My gut reaction is to continue playing because
it is
> easy to jump forwards with the FF button if you need to, but you might
> want
> to add it to several playlists (by repeating the above steps) or you
may
> be
> building playlists in a situation when other people are listening to
the
> now
> playing tunes and having it jumping around automatically would get
> annoying.

Alex

Send slipped.
What I meant to say...

Yes I agree the song should continue playing and I like including the
zapped playlist as an option so not to sacrifice functionality. Agreed
on move to zapped and copy to all others.

I think we might have the beginning of something here.
I'm new to asking for plugins/enhancments so I'm not sure what to do
from here. File an enhancment request? not sure if this qualifies as an
enhancment. Send specs and a gift basket to kdf? Secret ballot?
I sure don't have the skills to do this.

Also very much in agreement that this thread needs a new name.
Matt






> Matt
>
> On Tuesday 02 August 2005 03:23, Matt Alioto wrote:
> > How about using my selection option and have the selection default
to
> > the last Playlist you "sent to", Or to a predefined configurable
default
> > "send to" playlist? Would that be more acceptable?
>
> that would make more sense.
>
> > Maybe a dual function key?
> > Press once fast and it automatically adds to a predefined default
"send
> > to" playlist or the last you "sent to".
> > Press and hold brings up a selection option.
>
> this would work if there was a button on the remote that wasn't
currently
> being used (as you need both the single click and the press + hold
> functionality).
>
> > Perhaps a plugin to disable the +/zapped function and replace it
with
> > the "send to" function so it's a bit intuitive.
>
> that would also make sense.
>
> Q. the zapped functionality currently removes the track from the
current
> playlist. would you envisage the plugin moving the track or copying
it to
> the new playlist?
>
> You could have something like:-
>
> - press and hold ADD brings up list of playlists defaulting to last
> selected
> playlist (which would be zapped playlist on first invocation).
>
> - use up and down to select saved playlists + zapped playlist + create
new
> playlist.
>
> - press ADD again to copy the track to the selected playlist. If the
> selected
> playlist was zapped then move instead of copy.
>
> Would it then jump to the end of the currently auditioned track or
would
> it
> continue playing it? My gut reaction is to continue playing because
it is
> easy to jump forwards with the FF button if you need to, but you might
> want
> to add it to several playlists (by repeating the above steps) or you
may
> be
> building playlists in a situation when other people are listening to
the
> now
> playing tunes and having it jumping around automatically would get
> annoying.
>
> Alex


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Alex Twisleton-Wykeham-Fiennes
2005-08-02, 08:37
Matt

On Tuesday 02 August 2005 16:02, Matt Alioto wrote:
> > Would it then jump to the end of the currently auditioned track or
> would
> > it
> > continue playing it? My gut reaction is to continue playing because
> it is
> > easy to jump forwards with the FF button if you need to, but you might
> > want
> > to add it to several playlists (by repeating the above steps) or you
> may
> > be
> > building playlists in a situation when other people are listening to
> the
> > now
> > playing tunes and having it jumping around automatically would get
> > annoying.
>
> Alex

> Send slipped.
> What I meant to say...
>
> Yes I agree the song should continue playing and I like including the
> zapped playlist as an option so not to sacrifice functionality. Agreed
> on move to zapped and copy to all others.
>
> I think we might have the beginning of something here.
> I'm new to asking for plugins/enhancments so I'm not sure what to do
> from here. File an enhancment request? not sure if this qualifies as an
> enhancment. Send specs and a gift basket to kdf? Secret ballot?
> I sure don't have the skills to do this.

I think that the first thing to find out from someone with architectural
knowledge of slim server is whether or not the point at which we want to bind
in functionality is an existing plugin point or if it would need to be an
extension to the core functionality.

If it is a plugin point then we can look at playing around with implementing
it ourselves without stepping on anyone's toes - if people don't like it then
they don't have to use it. However, if it requires changes to the core
structure then I would imagine that people would need to bounce around the
ideas a bit more before anyone dived in and got their hands dirty.

I don't have a lot of perl experience, but have worked as a java developer for
the last 6 years so would be willing to have a play around with the codebase,
but am very busy for at least the next week (in a fashion that involves the
scottish highlands and no computers) so I wouldn't be able to look at
anything in the immediate future.

> Also very much in agreement that this thread needs a new name.

ditto. have tried to change it again... :-)

<snip>

Alex

Darren Cole
2005-08-02, 14:05
I like a lot of ideas coming out. Being able to build a playlist
from what you're currently playing would be great. I like Alex's
idea of using 1..9 buttons and 0 to move current songs to a given
playlist. Would very be nice.

That still doesn't allow you audition while browsing. What I would l
really like to see is a way to audition a song while browsing before
putting it in a play list.

I would see it working like this:

Add another menu item called Audition (under browse and available to
the top level, or where ever it makes sense)
1. -> into Audition and you are faced with a list just like Browse Music
2. -> press play on a song and it plays the song directly without
adding to now playing.
2a. '+' would add it to the end of now playing. hold '+; and
it adds it to the top of now playing. (and maybe incorporate the
1..9 idea from Alex)
2b. press play or pause and the audition of that song stops
3. <- browse to next song repeat (2-5)
4. press play on an album starts songs directly in order without
regard to random setting and without adding them to now playing.
4a. '+' add current song to the end of now playing. hold '+'
and it adds it to the top of now playing.
4b. 'fwd' skips to next song if there is one, else stops
4c. press play or pause and stops the audition of that album

5. after you finish go to now playing and press play, or save the
list as a specific playlist as normal.


I would imagine this would be very doable in the current
architecture, maybe it could implemented in the plugin (I don't know
cause I haven't tried writting one yet). Should this be filed as a
feature request?

Darren Cole

jmpage2
2005-08-03, 13:24
Interesting that this has come up (I'm late to the party). I've often thought that something like this would be handy, the ability to quickly modify the now playing list after auditioning a track.

elo
2005-08-09, 09:27
Can you think of a better way to express this operation than the "add/remove" interface provided?

How about something like the ipod, with it's "now playing" seperate from it's "on the go" playlist.

The usual way I use my ipod is, find a song, hit play, then start building a on-the-go-playlist of 10-15 songs (depending on the duration of my listening session) while grooving to the "now-playing" song. Once complete, play the on-the-go-playlist.

...Seems ipod-style functionality can lend it's self to the reverse scenario, and accomplish the desired affect... previewing songs, with out adding them to a playlist. It would however change the entire "now playing" heirarchy of the ui.

dannyg
2005-08-11, 22:10
Here's my 2 cents on the ZAP function.


Current ZAP function:
==============
Hold down the "+" key, and the current song stops playing and is added to the ZAPPED playlist, then then next song plays.


Wishlist for the ZAP function:
===================
Hold down the "+" key, and a little icon on the SB2 would appear in front of the song name, indicating that the current song is added to the ZAPPED playlist. Or, if the current song being played is already in the ZAPPED playlist, then the little icon would also appear.

Holding down the "+" key again would remove the icon on the SB2, indicating that the song currently being played is no longer in the ZAPPED playlist. However, the ZAPPED playlist wouldn't really have to be updated until after the song has finished or you skip to another song.

It would be nice to be able to select the standard ZAP function or the above modified ZAP function from a pulldown list associated with the "+" key (somewhere inside SlimServer).

Khuli
2005-08-12, 01:32
I'm sure this kitchen can use another cook..

How about a "send to" plugin
During the playback of any song, playlist item ect..
Hold down some button on the remote. A send to dialog would appear on the screen allowing you to choose an existing playlist to add that song to or option to create a new one.


As a new SB user, I'm astounded that this isn't standard behaviour. One of the reasons for buying it was to make it easy to create a 'Party playlist', a 'romantic playlist', a 'background music' playlist... etc etc

JJZolx
2005-08-12, 01:47
As a new SB user, I'm astounded that this isn't standard behaviour. One of the reasons for buying it was to make it easy to create a 'Party playlist', a 'romantic playlist', a 'background music' playlist... etc etc
If you want easy you won't be using the remote to make and save large playlists. Use the web interface.

Howard Darwen
2005-08-12, 08:22
why not just get Music Magic and create the playlists dynamically from one
song. it's way easier and you may even find some hidden gems in your
collection.

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wr420 Wrote:
> I'm sure this kitchen can use another cook..
>
> How about a "send to" plugin
> During the playback of any song, playlist item ect..
> Hold down some button on the remote. A send to dialog would appear on
> the screen allowing you to choose an existing playlist to add that song
> to or option to create a new one.
>

As a new SB user, I'm astounded that this isn't standard behaviour. One
of the reasons for buying it was to make it easy to create a 'Party
playlist', a 'romantic playlist', a 'background music' playlist... etc
etc


--
Khuli