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Dan Goodinson
2005-07-31, 13:24
Recently got MusicMagic plugin up and running, and wondering if anyone
can share some MM experiences with me?

On the whole, I'm finding it pretty cool: it's generating some decent
mixes for "middle of the road" stuff, but it seems to generate some
unusual mixes for "on the edge" sort of stuff.

e.g. if I go for a mix around some mainstream indie music (think Oasis,
Coldplay, Travis - and you've got the general idea), it works like a
charm. But if I go for a mix around some metal (think Helmet, Quarashi,
Pantera etc) then it throws in a fair bit of techno-dance, and some
embarrassing pop. Similarly, if I go for a hard-house type mix it
throws in quite a lot of embarrassing pop.

When I say "embarrassing pop" I mean that I've got a "Best Chart Hits in
the world... Ever!!!!!!!!!!" album that I bought in a moment of madness.
Among a couple of half decent tracks, there's some absolute dirge -
including a kind half-hearted-attempt-at-reggae track by Boy George
which is just shameful. Particularly shameful when it turns up in a mix
of hard-house/trace. In fact, MM seems to love this Boy George track
and keeps trying to sneak it in to almost any mix I request which is a
bit irritating. I dare say it would fit quite well with something like
UB40, for example. But I can't understand why MM tries to stick it in
the middle of a punk-metal mix or a dangerously hard house mix.

I've played with a few of the settings on the SB web panel (e.g.
"MusicMagic mix style" at the max value of 200) but there seems to be
only a marginal improvement.

Also, MM application was running for nearly 2 days and has complete
analysis - all tracks are apparently verified, and I rebooted the server
and got slimserver to rescan the music library. As far as I can tell,
everything is as it should be on the slimserver side - any settings I
can play with in the MM application? I kind of loathe to delete stuff
from my music library just for this purpose. Even if I don't like a
some of the music, it goes against the whole idea of squeezebox to
delete tracks here and there.

Cheers!
Dan.

MeSue
2005-07-31, 14:29
The latest beta of MMM (1.1.6) has an Exclude option where you can designate exclusions for the library, analysis, and/or mixes. This should do what you want. As far as I can tell, even though the excluded songs show the 'MM' in SlimServer's Web interface, they are not included in any mixes.

If you don't have access to the beta, for now you can generate your mixes in the MMM GUI and send them to your SB as a playlist. There are a lot more options for refining the mix in the MMM interface (with trial key or paid version). Hopefully more of these options (ratings, filters) will make it into the SlimServer plugin eventually. You also might want to check your Genre tags — it seems to weight that more than anything else.

I seem to have the opposite problem. Mixes I generate from the SlimServer web panel are limited to the seed song genre, even with a setting of 0 for mix style. In the MMM GUI I get a much more diverse mix for the same seed song. Go figure…

Dan Goodinson
2005-07-31, 15:11
Thanks Sue.

I think I have the latest version, buy will see if I can download a beta
version. I bought a 1-year subscription, does that allow me access to
the beta download?

Damn - I was kind of hoping that MM would bypass my messed up genres.
I've been chipping away at it for ages, but lots of the genres are still
not right. The ID3v2 tags are pretty good, but the ID3v1.1 are in a bit
of a state. Do you know whether MM works off v1.1 or v2 tags?

I'll check out the options in the application - that sound like the best
way forward. Thanks for the tip!

Dan.

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The latest beta of MMM (1.1.6) has an Exclude option where you can
designate exclusions for the library, analysis, and/or mixes. This
should do what you want. As far as I can tell, even though the excluded
songs show the 'MM' in SlimServer's Web interface, they are not included
in any mixes.

If you don't have access to the beta, for now you can generate your
mixes in the MMM GUI and send them to your SB as a playlist. There are a
lot more options for refining the mix in the MMM interface (with trial
key or paid version). Hopefully more of these options (ratings,
filters) will make it into the SlimServer plugin eventually. You also
might want to check your Genre tags - it seems to weight that more than
anything else.

I seem to have the opposite problem. Mixes I generate from the
SlimServer web panel are limited to the seed song genre, even with a
setting of 0 for mix style. In the MMM GUI I get a much more diverse mix
for the same seed song. Go figure...


--
MeSue

Sue

Howard Darwen
2005-07-31, 15:13
most of the mixes i get out are pretty spot on ... there are occasional
tracks that are missplaced, but i just live with it.

one thing i have done is put stuff i don't want included in MMM mixes in a
separate folder so that they don't get picked up by MMM - but slim can still
see them. i do this mainly on mix albums where i don't want individual mixed
tracks popping up in a play list, but you could handle embarassing stuff in
that way too.

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Subject: [slim] MusicMagic - bizarre mixes..


Recently got MusicMagic plugin up and running, and wondering if anyone
can share some MM experiences with me?

On the whole, I'm finding it pretty cool: it's generating some decent
mixes for "middle of the road" stuff, but it seems to generate some
unusual mixes for "on the edge" sort of stuff.

e.g. if I go for a mix around some mainstream indie music (think Oasis,
Coldplay, Travis - and you've got the general idea), it works like a
charm. But if I go for a mix around some metal (think Helmet, Quarashi,
Pantera etc) then it throws in a fair bit of techno-dance, and some
embarrassing pop. Similarly, if I go for a hard-house type mix it
throws in quite a lot of embarrassing pop.

When I say "embarrassing pop" I mean that I've got a "Best Chart Hits in
the world... Ever!!!!!!!!!!" album that I bought in a moment of madness.
Among a couple of half decent tracks, there's some absolute dirge -
including a kind half-hearted-attempt-at-reggae track by Boy George
which is just shameful. Particularly shameful when it turns up in a mix
of hard-house/trace. In fact, MM seems to love this Boy George track
and keeps trying to sneak it in to almost any mix I request which is a
bit irritating. I dare say it would fit quite well with something like
UB40, for example. But I can't understand why MM tries to stick it in
the middle of a punk-metal mix or a dangerously hard house mix.

I've played with a few of the settings on the SB web panel (e.g.
"MusicMagic mix style" at the max value of 200) but there seems to be
only a marginal improvement.

Also, MM application was running for nearly 2 days and has complete
analysis - all tracks are apparently verified, and I rebooted the server
and got slimserver to rescan the music library. As far as I can tell,
everything is as it should be on the slimserver side - any settings I
can play with in the MM application? I kind of loathe to delete stuff
from my music library just for this purpose. Even if I don't like a
some of the music, it goes against the whole idea of squeezebox to
delete tracks here and there.

Cheers!
Dan.

MeSue
2005-07-31, 15:49
I bought a 1-year subscription, does that allow me access to the beta download?

No, you have to ask to join the beta program. See http://forums.predixis.com/index.php?showtopic=646


The ID3v2 tags are pretty good, but the ID3v1.1 are in a bit of a state. Do you know whether MM works off v1.1 or v2 tags?

I don't know, but I know a lot of taggers offer an option to copy from ID3v2 to ID3v1.1 and vice versa. I use Music Library (from wensoftware.com) which hasn't been updated in ages, and may be abandonware, but it is still better then most other taggers I have looked at.

You might need to add -slim to the commandline when you launch MMM if you want to be able to send mixes directly to SlimServer from MMM. (see http://forums.predixis.com/index.php?act=ST&f=4&t=734)