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camelx
2005-07-30, 12:41
I have complained about my signal dropping and going in to find "cannot connect to server", etc. My strength WAS about65 % max. The problem was my totally CRAP Dlink DI-774 router! I got fed up, did some checking around and picked up a Belkin Pre-N router, and Oh My God......

My strength is up to 97-100% consistantly, my other wireless clients are flying now and I have finally been able to configure and get WPA working. The Dlink totally sucked at that - constant problems and never worked.

This has been a huge frustration with my Squeezebox for a long while now and it was not it's fault.

Just an FYI for the community.

MrC
2005-07-30, 13:41
The Belkin Pre-n is an outstanding piece of hardware. Nice choice.

kdf
2005-07-30, 14:59
On 30-Jul-05, at 1:41 PM, MrC wrote:

>
> The Belkin Pre-n is an outstanding piece of hardware. Nice choice.
>
except when you get one that insists on resetting itself every 15-30
minutes :(
it, well at least mine, also suffers from overheating, and electronic
interference (to the point of totally shutting off if it's nearer than
12" or so to cable tv line)

on the upside, the tech support isn't bad at all, once you get past
level 1. I'm expecting that after completing the full list of tests
that I've been given, my unit will be going back. All the hype seemed
to be well supported, and between problems it is certainly faster as
advertised (even with older hardware)

-kdf

MrC
2005-07-30, 15:03
Well, sure, no mfg has a 0% defect rate (even Slim!). Sounds like yours is defective (mine does not overheat in the least). Excessive heat could certainly cause all sorts of hardware problems.

Stick with the Pre-N, get a replacement, and i think you'll be very happy.

Damon Riley
2005-07-30, 19:10
Mr. C wrote:
> Stick with the Pre-N, get a replacement, and i think you'll be very
> happy.

My Belkin Pre-N bit the dust hard. I was on tech support doing all
their diagnostics and they finally gave up and sent me a new one. It
wouldn't talk to the internet at all, which was a problem, I felt.
Belkin wasn't aghast at my using Linux, either, like Comcast has been
when I've called them, but that's another story.

My SB1 started having too frequent drop-outs even with the new Pre-N. I
got a wireless g bridge (also Belkin) and socked that into the back of
the squeezbox1 and everything since has been swell. I still get a drop
when the cordless phone rings, and once in a while at random, but things
are fine now that I've moved to wireless G.

I'm now playing a lot of kids' music-- Laurie Berkner, Wiggles, Dan
Zanes. My kids are taking over my life-- even the squeezebox.

-- Damon

kdf
2005-07-30, 20:47
On 30-Jul-05, at 7:10 PM, Damon Riley wrote:

>
>
> Mr. C wrote:
>> Stick with the Pre-N, get a replacement, and i think you'll be very
>> happy.
>
> My Belkin Pre-N bit the dust hard. I was on tech support doing all
> their diagnostics and they finally gave up and sent me a new one. It
> wouldn't talk to the internet at all, which was a problem, I felt.
> Belkin wasn't aghast at my using Linux, either, like Comcast has been
> when I've called them, but that's another story.

no, they were very good with that. Though, there was a bit of a pause
when I started listing off my network: winxp, win2k, osx, mandrake
linux, debian linux and squeezeboxen :) However, it did convince them
that my case wasn't just a setup problem with one type of hardware. It
is encouraging to hear they are good with reeplacements.

>
> My SB1 started having too frequent drop-outs even with the new Pre-N.
> I got a wireless g bridge (also Belkin) and socked that into the back
> of the squeezbox1 and everything since has been swell. I still get a
> drop when the cordless phone rings, and once in a while at random, but
> things are fine now that I've moved to wireless G.
>

I've got a 5.8GHz phone, and that rarely affects the squeeezebox. In
theory, it shouldn't affect it at all, but some channels do tend to
cause the display to twitch a bit in scrolling. I haven't had it long
enough to see what happens with audio. I'm expecting the SB2 buffer to
be more than capable.

> I'm now playing a lot of kids' music-- Laurie Berkner, Wiggles, Dan
> Zanes. My kids are taking over my life-- even the squeezebox.
>
kids are always the real tech market :)

-kdf

kdf
2005-07-30, 21:37
On 30-Jul-05, at 3:03 PM, MrC wrote:

>
> Well, sure, no mfg has a 0% defect rate (even Slim!). Sounds like
> yours
> is defective (mine does not overheat in the least). Excessive heat
> could certainly cause all sorts of hardware problems.

its not overheating in any obvious sense, but it does sit at
temperatures that I would never want to rely on in anything I design.
It's performance has certainly suffered recently as my area has finally
seen the full heat of summer. However, its not nearly as hot as many
other locations that would operate this device.

>
> Stick with the Pre-N, get a replacement, and i think you'll be very
> happy.
>
I plan to. I certainly have every confidence that Belkin will respond
well.

my original comments server to suggest that if you see such effects,
take it back quickly while your retail outlet supports it. Far less
effort under those circs.

-k

Philip Meyer
2005-07-31, 04:51
>except when you get one that insists on resetting itself every 15-30
>minutes :(
>it, well at least mine, also suffers from overheating
I have had similar problems with my Belkin ADSL Router(s).

My original 7630 was great for the first year. Then I had nothing but problems. I think it didn't discipate heat very well - the metal heatsink was on the bottom of the unit, so heat would rise up through it. I found it slightly more stable when I ran the unit upside down! It got to a point where my ADSL downspeed was running at 40% of maximum, if I had wireless enabled.

>on the upside, the tech support isn't bad at all, once you get past
>level 1.
>
After lots of calls and chats on their instant messaging web component, they agreed to replace the unit. This was good service - they don't make the 7630 any more, so they gave me the newest equivalent, a 7633. They even agreed to send me the new one, before I sent the old one back, and then paid for return delivery.

However, the 7633 is giving me more grief than the 7630. DHCP doesn't seem to work too well, Port Forwarding doesn't seem to work if I redirect to different ports, Web Management allows anyone to see details about the router, such as SSID, encryption type, etc, before they are requested to enter a password. The firmware is much worse than the model from 2 years ago (in fact, the help pages in the firmware are still for the previous model!).

Phil

Kevin O. Lepard
2005-07-31, 12:57
I know we've wandered really off-topic here, but does anyone have any
experience comparing the Belkin pre-n router with the Netgear
RangeMax? I'm thinking about upgrading my wireless router. It would
have to function in a mixed b/g environment preferably without
degrading the g clients to b speeds.

Thanks for your thoughts.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
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Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

MrC
2005-07-31, 16:48
In your mixed environment, check out results here:

http://cnet.nytimes.com/Netgear_WPN824_RangeMax/4505-3319_7-31312124-2.html

and this excellent review site gives many reviews and a summary for the two routers in question:

http://www.consumersearch.com/www/computers/wireless-router-reviews/fullstory.html

Kevin O. Lepard
2005-07-31, 18:36
>In your mixed environment, check out results here:
>
>http://cnet.nytimes.com/Netgear_WPN824_RangeMax/4505-3319_7-31312124-2.html
>
>and this excellent review site gives many reviews and a summary for the
>two routers in question:
>
>http://www.consumersearch.com/www/computers/wireless-router-reviews/fullstory.html

Thanks for the pointers.

Kevin
--
Kevin O. Lepard
kolepard (AT) charter (DOT) net

Happiness is being 100% Microsoft free.

Josef Shvejk
2005-07-31, 20:59
Netgear Pre-N WGM124 router sales for $40, after rebates, at CompUSA this
week.
Netgear is now advertising RangeMax models and it's Pre-N could be at dead
end.
But if all you need is to extend SB range and connection reliability, then
it works great.
And the router is build as a tank :)
On 7/30/05, camelx <camelx.1szzwz (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
>
> picked up a Belkin Pre-N router, and Oh My God......
>