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lilolee
2005-07-06, 15:12
I have an SB1 used wirelessly with my hifi into a goo quality DAC.

So would I gain any benefit soundwise by getting a SB2?

Cheers

Lee

mkozlows
2005-07-06, 16:14
Assuming you're streaming PCM and not getting dropouts: No.

lilolee
2005-07-06, 23:27
I'm getting 60% signal strength, but am also just about to buy a repeater. The only time I've had drop out's was when my virus scanner kicked in to do a full disk scan and a large attachmentcame in an email.

So maybe just upgrade the PSU.

Cheers

Lee

julian2002
2005-07-07, 00:17
lee,
ime the sb2 is better suited to use with an external dac than the sb1. the clock / jitter performance of the 2 is miles ahead of the 1 and this seems to be a big determining factor. you could try reclocking the 1 but tbh the cost / effort may not be worth it.
so on the whole as someone who's tried both in a similar situation i'd say yes the sb2 is a worthwhile step.
cheers


julian.

netim3
2005-07-07, 05:00
I upgraded from SB1 to SB2 using the digital coax out into a Linn DAC - notcied a very significant performance improvement.

lilolee
2005-07-07, 14:04
You swines, I hate you (well except mkozlows). Now I suppose I had better get one :) Just don't tell the wife. Well at least they look similar so she will never notice ;)

Mike Hanson
2005-07-07, 14:17
Just don't tell the wife. Well at least they look similar so she will never notice ;)
I used the same approach as I climbed the Naim ladder, except that we were talking tens-of-thousands of dollars, rather than a couple hundred. :) Eventually she suspected something, but she also understood how important it was to me, so it was no big deal. (I have a good wife that way.) It's just too bad that she doesn't share my taste in music. :(

-=> Mike Hanson <=-

NealG
2005-07-07, 15:11
Lee, as your not a million miles from me I could bring over my re-clocked and re-housed SB1 and standard SB2 for you to hear the differences. I won't hint at which I feel is best, I'll let your ears decide! Drop me an email if interested or PM me over at the WAD BB

lilolee
2005-07-07, 15:30
Neal, would love to. It'll have to be a couple of weeks, maybe 16 or 17th.

Hey Julian, fancy popping down or anyone in the Maidenhead area?

Damn, now it means I'll have to get my tagging right.

julian2002
2005-07-08, 02:29
i could make the 16th or 17th - would prefer the 17th though.
cheers


julian

lilolee
2005-07-08, 05:29
17th sounds good to me. About midday? I'll make some food.

julian2002
2005-07-08, 05:46
sounds good - not to carby though ;)

lilolee
2005-07-10, 23:48
Guys

I have double booked myself Sunday, so will have to delay it

Sorry for the confusion

julian2002
2005-07-10, 23:50
no problem.

Harry G
2005-07-31, 21:33
Lee, as your not a million miles from me I could bring over my re-clocked and re-housed SB1 and standard SB2 for you to hear the differences. I won't hint at which I feel is best, I'll let your ears decide!...

Found this thread while trying to decide if I should upgrade to SB2s.

My house is littered with SB1s, all but one wired. While most are in areas where the sonics are irrelivant, two are connected to high quality DACs in rooms where we do seriously listen. I'm wondering if the dig output is meaningfully better on the SB2. Also curious how your moded unit fares.

Have you done the shootout? How did it go?

FYI: For years I've used the "looks the same to wife" method of trading up and upgrading my equipment too.

A chance chat with an older audiophile who used similar methods will always stick with me. He had for years used Audio Research, Theta and Wilson, in part because the look barely changed from year to year. He told me that his wife had died a few years previous to our conversation. That now he could buy whatever component he wanted regardless of matching esthetics but that without her, the new equipment seldom brought him joy.

julian2002
2005-08-01, 15:30
the digital output is definately improved on the sb2 compared to the sb1. this isn't a subjective judgement as my dac locks on to the incomming signal in a different manner according to the level of jitter - the sb2 causes the dac to lock on using the 'high quality' lock (the dac is an audio synthesis dax decade).
i guess this points to the real question - how fussy are your dacs about the incomming signal?
cheers


julian.

Harry G
2005-08-01, 21:13
....i guess this points to the real question - how fussy are your dacs about the incomming signal?
cheers

julian.

Thank you Julian. I guess I need to buy a Two to try for myself.

You pose a good question. At my house, the SB1 works very well into a Theta Gen 8. Not as well as my dedicated transport but so much better than it should for the price. With my Stello DAC it sounds a little better than what I get from the digital stream of a cheap DVD player. This surprised me.

The Stello is a gutsy inexpensive overachiever that sounds great with a decent CD player. I expected it to obscure differences the more expensive DAC revealed.

I've done these sort of tests with a small number of friends who have an Audio Alchemy, a Wadia and a DCS stack. There appears to be a consistency. The DACs from the high priced companies that brag about their jitter control make the SB1 sound like a champ. The more moderate priced DACs fair poorly. Doesn't seem fair and runs counter to the usual experience. The AA DAC did so poorly, we all felt the SB1 was better by itself, Not as revealing but more musical. Maybe this will turn around with the SB2?

I wish I knew something of the Audio Synthesis. I gather you are in England. Even in big cities in the US, we don't see much British equipment other than the obvious like B&W. I visited a few shops when I was in your country in the 90s. Heard great sound from systems made up of products I can only read about here in Stereophile.

Reminds me, I really wish someone would write a "Dummy's Guide to the Squeezebox". I know I'm not the only person to talk his audiophile friends into buying these clock-radios. I've gotten sick of having to teach the basics of ripping to flac, tagging and network setup to guys who should be able to figure it out themselves. I finally drew the line at mirroring my HDs. Between the legality and the time.....