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ultra238a
2005-05-20, 05:03
Hi,

The company I work for are in the final throws of testing our NAS drive that runs Slimserver out of the box.

I am looking for some feedback to the capacity sizes that we should offer the box in. We are thinking of 120Gb, 160Gb, 200Gb, 250Gb and 400Gb sizes starting at around 229.99 ($400 approx) for the 120Gb.

Any thoughts on this?

Thanks

Ultra238a

jimmy
2005-05-20, 06:01
Ultra238a

It is certainly a good idea and such a device would be welcomed by the user community I think.

However, can I suggest that it seems a little expensive. I guess it depends what other software the NAS could support. Would it run a version of linux and be freely adaptable by the user community?

120Gb hard drives can be had for 100 ish these days so 229.99 seems like quite a lot of extra cash!

Jimmy

Andy Hawkins
2005-05-20, 07:02
Hi,

In article <jimmy.1pc02b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com>,
jimmy<jimmy.1pc02b (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com> wrote:
> 120Gb hard drives can be had for 100 ish these days so 229.99 seems
> like quite a lot of extra cash!

250 gig disks can be had for about UKP these days...

I initially thought it was expensive, but because it's a network device, you
also have to factor in that the device will need a processor, memory,
network hardware etc.

When compared with a linkstation or similar, it probably isn't too bad.

Andy

ultra238a
2005-05-20, 08:47
Hi,

Hard drives are indeed very cheap at the moment but you need something to put them in and that something also needs to connect to your network.

The box we have based this on is very similar to the Linkstation but has better data transfer rates than the Linkstation.

Of course whilst the unit runs Slimserver, there is no reason why the device can't be used as a normal NAS drive as well. The unit also has a USB socket and a copy button on the front so most digital cameras can be just plugged in and the pictures copied straight over.

Whilst the box is Linux based it is going to have to be kept a closed system. The company who has developed the hardware for us wants to protect its IP but has worked with us on getting Slimserver working on it (and believe me it has been hard work). If you want a NAS device that you can run as a Linux application server either buy a Kuro Box or hack a Linkstation.

Price wise the Linkstation has lowered the price NAS devices this is true and it would be great if we could just Telnet into the root of Linkstation and install Slimserver - but we can't without spending time hacking box and you get no support for Slimserver. A 120Gb Linkstation costs about 160 > 180 delivered in the UK so we aren't going to be that much more expensive plus the hard drives that we are going to use have been designed for RAID servers and not only are they very quiet they run very cool.

Anyway all feedback is welcome.

Ultra238a

GregD
2005-05-20, 09:24
Hi,
I am looking for some feedback to the capacity sizes that we should offer the box in. We are thinking of 120Gb, 160Gb, 200Gb, 250Gb and 400Gb sizes starting at around 229.99 ($400 approx) for the 120Gb.
Ultra238a

I bought a Hush PC (for a lot more) to do this job after it looked like none of the NAS boxes supported Slimserver officially. Your box sounds great - as long as it is quiet!

I'd like to see more than 400G - I need a little more than 300G for my music plus backup files. I bought dual 400G disks so I could have a backup online.

Maditude
2005-05-20, 09:55
> The company I work for are in the final throws of testing our
> NAS drive that runs Slimserver out of the box.
>
> I am looking for some feedback to the capacity sizes that we
> should offer the box in. We are thinking of 120Gb, 160Gb,
> 200Gb, 250Gb and 400Gb sizes starting at around 229.99 ($400
> approx) for the 120Gb.
>
> Any thoughts on this?

For me, it's too expensive, considering it won't be "open" (ie, I can't install anything I like on it, like say courier-imap, apache, etc).

While it's pretty cool that you persuaded your company to make it run SlimServer, is your company going to keep current with the SlimServer software?

ModelCitizen
2005-05-20, 10:47
This is just the solution I was looking for. Unfortunately earlier today I went out and bought a 300gb Maxtor One Touch as all the existing NAS products did not suffice.

Thoughts:

Obviously I'd prefer it if it was cheaper.
For me the 400gb drive would be the one, and I would expect to be able to back up the content to a PC across my wireless network at night (I am Windows based and currently use MirrorFolder for backups). However if I couldn'd install software on the NAS then it looks as if I might have a problem. Does it come installed with Samba? If not... how am I to see it on my Windows network and back it up?
I'd also be interested to know what the projected price of the 400gb device is... I imagine it would not be too much more than the 120gb price (here's hoping)?
The other thing is... for my requirements it would have to be very quiet. Currently I would be forced to situate it in my lounge.... :-(
And, as has been mentioned, how would I upgrade Slimserver (bearing in mind I do not eat, breathe and dream Linux)?

MC

ultra238a
2005-05-20, 12:38
God you lot are hard to please!! :)

@GregD
I would love to see more than 400Gb as well mate - dunno where I am going to fit the drives though :) The box can take an external HDD on a USB port on the back of the box but I don't think that would be any good for you. Potentially if we could get the case re-engineered to take two drives we could do what you want and it would give greater flexibility - especially with Squeezebox 2 being so good at playing uncompressed audio. Trust me though, the box is quiet - no fans what so ever and very quiet drives.

@Maditude
You've got to remember that this isn't just an external HDD in a USB or firewire case and it does cost extra for the hardware to make it work as a NAS drive. To be honest you wouldn't get much software working on the box because it uses a strange CPU variant (couldn't have made it harder for us if we tried!) that only runs a very strange version of Linux. Don't worry about updates, this is one product I am passionate about and it is going to get updates every time Slimdevices release one.

@ModelCitizen
At the end of the day this product is going to be based on a standard NAS product that is going to allow you to map it in as a network drive on your XP PC or Mac - so no problems with backup. Projected price for the 400Gb is going to be around 350 > 380 depending on the drive price - remember our drives cost more because of the spec of the drive (quieter, cooler and designed to be on 24x7). Don't worry about the installation of the upgrade it is going to be as easy as copy the file over to the box, telnet in to the box and type in one command to run the installation file, really easy.

Any more for any more???? :)

Ultra238a

stinkingpig
2005-05-20, 13:54
ultra238a wrote:
> God you lot are hard to please!! :)
....
> Any more for any more???? :)
>
> Ultra238a
>
>

I'll bite... can you get an rsync binary on it? Doing full backups over
and over is no fun. Will it have a shell? Could it be shipped ready to
do something like this: http://www.monkeynoodle.org/comp/tools/backups

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Riding the Emergency Third Rail Power Trip since 1996!

Mark Bennett
2005-05-20, 14:31
Any chance this box will be powerful enough to do the alienBBC
transcoding?

I'd love a nice quiet low-power box to run SServer, but it also
has to run AlienBBC.

Again the 400GB version would be mandatory for me.

On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 12:38 -0700, ultra238a wrote:
> God you lot are hard to please!! :)
>
> @GregD
> I would love to see more than 400Gb as well mate - dunno where I am
> going to fit the drives though :) The box can take an external HDD on a
> USB port on the back of the box but I don't think that would be any good
> for you. Potentially if we could get the case re-engineered to take two
> drives we could do what you want and it would give greater flexibility
> - especially with Squeezebox 2 being so good at playing uncompressed
> audio. Trust me though, the box is quiet - no fans what so ever and
> very quiet drives.
>
> @Maditude
> You've got to remember that this isn't just an external HDD in a USB or
> firewire case and it does cost extra for the hardware to make it work as
> a NAS drive. To be honest you wouldn't get much software working on the
> box because it uses a strange CPU variant (couldn't have made it harder
> for us if we tried!) that only runs a very strange version of Linux.
> Don't worry about updates, this is one product I am passionate about
> and it is going to get updates every time Slimdevices release one.
>
> @ModelCitizen
> At the end of the day this product is going to be based on a standard
> NAS product that is going to allow you to map it in as a network drive
> on your XP PC or Mac - so no problems with backup. Projected price for
> the 400Gb is going to be around 350 > 380 depending on the drive
> price - remember our drives cost more because of the spec of the drive
> (quieter, cooler and designed to be on 24x7). Don't worry about the
> installation of the upgrade it is going to be as easy as copy the file
> over to the box, telnet in to the box and type in one command to run
> the installation file, really easy.
>
> Any more for any more???? :)
>
> Ultra238a
>
>
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ultra238a
2005-05-23, 09:26
Hi,

Running LAME and AlienBBC are the next priority. We should be able to test this week.

I have had 5x Slimdevices boxes running off this box all playing different MP3 (192VBR) files without any problems. Playing with FLAC files this week.

Ultra238a

dSw
2005-05-23, 09:56
A couple of comments:

1. a low-power, streamlined server dedicated to running SlimServer is a great idea but quite a niche market

2. If you assume that the target market would be technically-competent people (like many of us on here) then I would say that the prices you are quoting would mean that many people would just build their own server

3. If I were you I would consider offering no more than 3 sizes of drive i.e. 200GB, 300GB 400GB. No point in offering anything less than 200GB in my opinion.

ultra238a
2005-05-25, 13:28
Ok well we feel that due to the amount of SB2's that we are now selling each month and the developments coming from Slimdevices that the product is now filtering down into the general populus. People don't want their PC's or Mac's on all the time just so they can get access to their music collection.

Anyway, this may all become old news soon :)

How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!

Tell me, am I feeling some love now or what?

Ultra238a

dijon
2005-05-25, 13:51
make it a 200gig drive and you've got your first usa customer.


>
> How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
> faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
> own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
> 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!
>

mherger
2005-05-25, 13:58
> How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
> faster CPU,

Much faster than what? Could you already give some idea about the
machine's specs (cpu, ram)?

> runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
> own software on it?

Linux?

> Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
> 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!

And in european non-EU Switzerland :-)? Will you only sell directly?

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MMay
2005-05-25, 14:00
Make it a 200gig drive and you've got your second usa customer.

> How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
> faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
> own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
> 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!

Tyler Johnson
2005-05-25, 16:42
This device you're working on is very interesting. Thanks for actually
looking into building/selling something along these lines. And even bigger
thanks for looking for input before hand!

Ok, that being said, here's my input (for whatever it's worth):

How about selling a configuration where the operating software & apps is
running off a compact flash or some solid state card (via IDE for example)
and then selling it diskless for the customer to plug-in their own drive(s)?
That would allow customers to use drives they already own, or purchase
drives that fit their exact needs or whatever drives the marketplace has
available).

Even though a configuration like this would leave you out of any margin you
might add to the drive itself, you may be able to mark up the bare-box a bit
higher to make it up the difference (or more!). doh! Did I just say
that?!?!? :) lol

Another big win would be that you wouldn't have to listen to your customer
complain that they think you're overcharging for disk storage space that is
too expensive because they can take advantage of some special offer you
can't.

And you can always sell the same box with disk(s) 'preinstalled'.

Anywho, just a thought...

Oh yeah, have you thought about raid options too? :) hehe I could go on and
on, wait I already have! Doh!

Thanks again, and good luck!

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Subject: [slim] Re: NAS Drive Running Slimserver Solution


Ok well we feel that due to the amount of SB2's that we are now selling
each month and the developments coming from Slimdevices that the
product is now filtering down into the general populus. People don't
want their PC's or Mac's on all the time just so they can get access to
their music collection.

Anyway, this may all become old news soon :)

How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!

Tell me, am I feeling some love now or what?

Ultra238a


--
ultra238a

Darren
2005-05-25, 21:25
When will it make its debut? When should we expect this to ship to the US? Very anxious, as I've been shopping around for a NAS.

Maditude
2005-05-25, 21:52
> How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet,
> much faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can
> run your own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of
> 199.99 with a 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our
> American friends)!

Now it's getting interesting. ;-)

dSw
2005-05-26, 00:45
A similar, harddrive-less, solution already exists in the shape of the Buffalo KuroBox - http://kurobox.com/

I would be interested to see how the specs compare with it.

ultra238a
2005-05-26, 03:10
Hi,

Yes we know about the Kuro box but it is limited supply I believe and def. isn't available in Europe.

As for the spec. our box is def. going to be higher than the Kuro box. I can't confirm the exact specification as I write this but I should be able to later today. It will def. be more powerful than the Kuro box though.

The box is going to go into production at the start of June so we hope to be able to start worldwide shipping 3rd or 4th week in June.

Regards

Ultra238a

bubba
2005-05-26, 05:14
> Yes we know about the Kuro box but it is limited supply I
> believe and def. isn't available in Europe.

You can get them in the UK from ebay.co.uk for a not-too-unreasonable price.

Darren
2005-05-26, 07:24
Will it have print server functionality like the linkstation?

Is there a website? Where we can drool over.

Thanks

ultra238a
2005-05-26, 14:55
Re: Kuro Box in the UK - 165 for the HG version is not exactly cheap. The spec. of our box is about the same as the HG Kuro but with extra functionality out of the box.

Re: Printer server functionality - yes plus lots more out of the box.

Re: Website - a week or so away.

Ultra238a

Darren
2005-06-01, 21:13
Is there an email list I can put myself on for the announcement?

CouchPotatoe
2005-06-02, 04:31
>How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
>faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
>own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
>120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!
>
>Tell me, am I feeling some love now or what?
>
>Ultra238a
>
>
>
>
Would really like a 400Gb option still....... or at least 300GB. The
performance of the CPU will be key here too to cover any transcoding
/large library issues. My current Windows version (v6.1) 3.2Ghz P4 1GB
still struggles on searches and blanks SB displays / stalls playback. If
this went away with your box, I'm very interested.

K

Robin Bowes
2005-06-02, 11:45
ultra238a wrote:
> How would you guys like the sound of a box with Gigabit Ethernet, much
> faster CPU, runs Slimserver out of the box and...... you can run your
> own software on it? Oh and a projected retail price of 199.99 with a
> 120Gb (maybe a 160Gb) price point ($320 for our American friends)!

I'd be very interested if it also had some way of plugging in lots of
external storage, e.g. 8 x 400GB drives, configured as RAID5. Most
external storage boxes seem to have an external SCSI interface. Would
that be an option?

R.
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http://robinbowes.com

kronos
2005-06-03, 19:31
VERY interesting !

...yes, you might want to consider the KURO BOX as an alternative, but i've been reading about NOISE issues, and i'm totally digging this project for the FANLESS specs...

=)

bouton
2005-06-04, 08:26
count me in as interested if quiet, 300GB, expandable ie ability to add/change add, printerserver and run within winxp home network -and you guarantee and support the hardware and software - I'm still having a heck of a time keeping slimserver up more that 48hrs in a row :(

sounds pretty perfect

katherine (london)




Re: Printer server functionality - yes plus lots more out of the box.

Re: Website - a week or so away.

Ultra238a

ultra238a
2005-06-04, 14:31
How does an external sATA interface grab you?

400Gb internally - no problem (though it might not be quite a quiet as some of the lesser capacities).

The website for this product will go live at the end of next week - we are that close.

I'll keep you updated on here.

Ultra238a

kronos
2005-06-04, 15:08
external SATA is just FINE !!!

...better yet, couple it to the already present USB2 and you got a winner...

what about FIREWIRE ?
...definitely better than USB2 ( less stress on the CPU )

cheers
;)

ultra238a
2005-06-04, 15:11
USB2 & sATA external drives no problem, no firewire though.

Ultra238a

kronos
2005-06-07, 17:07
cool, QUIET is the operative word for me; FANLESS is the secret...

...i guess it will have an ethernet port, CPU and :

RAM ?
how many SATA ports are possible ?
what kind of OS can i run on it ?
is there a video out port of some kind ?

waiting for the website...

=)

dSw
2005-06-07, 23:39
The only problem with fanless is that the hard drive is more susceptible to failure due to the heat generated - especially in such a confined space.

I find the Linkstation pretty quiet and it has a fan.

Simon McKay-Mills
2005-06-08, 06:34
C'mon, where is the website for this? It is almost Fathers Day, I need to
start laying hints (with printouts aplenty) so as to avoid socks, jumpers
and f***ing aftershave from the memsahib!

Sorry 'bout the language!

Simon

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Subject: [slim] Re: NAS Drive Running Slimserver Solution


cool, QUIET is the operative word for me; FANLESS is the secret...

....i guess it will have an ethernet port, CPU and :

RAM ?
how many SATA ports are possible ?
what kind of OS can i run on it ?
is there a video out port of some kind ?

waiting for the website...

=)


--
kronos

kronos
2005-06-08, 10:57
The only problem with fanless is that the hard drive is more susceptible to failure due to the heat generated - especially in such a confined space.

I find the Linkstation pretty quiet and it has a fan.

thanks for the LINKSTATION tip; nonetheless, i would rather have a lower capacity FANLESS server where to connect one ( hopefully more ) other SATA external drive ( fanless obviously ), than have a quiet fan humming even if in the background only.

maybe some kind of cutting edge alu/fins ( see CPU cooling blocks ) enclosure could be another PLUS to boost sales of such a compact solution !

=)

dSw
2005-06-08, 14:06
thanks for the LINKSTATION tip; nonetheless, i would rather have a lower capacity FANLESS server where to connect one ( hopefully more ) other SATA external drive ( fanless obviously ), than have a quiet fan humming even if in the background only.


Yeah, I reckon that NAS is the way to go for a flexible and expandable storage solution - but the advantage of NAS is that it doesn't matter where it's physically sited. The only requirement is a network connection.

In terms of what actually runs the SlimServer.. all you really need is a low-power device with enough oomph to comfortably cope with SlimServer with a bit of room left over.

If your server doesn't need to be in your living room then you could easily build a cheap PIII / VIA / AMD server with network access and stick it in a cupboard somewhere.

If, however, you want the server to sit in your living room then you have two additional requirements - low-noise and good looks. However, there's still no need for your NAS devices to sit in your living room - do you really want a couple of NAS devices sitting in your living room?

I'm building a VIA EPIA server in a Hiper Media case. 512MB RAM and smallish HDD to run the OS and that's it. Total cost to me for that is 230 (but only because I had the RAM and HDD lying about).

I would personally only look at a NAS-based SlimServer solution if I thought that my music collection wasn't going to grow significantly.. but that's just my opinion and this NAS-based product will be perfect for some.

kronos
2005-06-08, 14:58
my problem is that i live in a 2 rooms apartment; livingroom is where EVERYTHING apart from my bed is ( and i keep the bedroom tech free, sort of a feng shui thing for relax and peace ).

i guess i could figure out some way to hide a low power PC in some closet, but it would get hotter then...

=/

...i don't care about ugly; it's not going to stand out that much on my multimedia wall with the hi-fi/2VCRS/DVD pleyer/LD player/...

...and i'd have the luxury of running my digital source without having to bear the noise of the PC.

corwin
2005-06-09, 07:13
Eagerly awaiting the website, as well. Here is what I have been looking at:

Either the ReadyNAS or Terastation (prefer ReadyNAS) to get about 750 GB of usefull RAID5 storage (1TB raw). Hotswap drives a plus, but not required. I was then either going to a) hack the NAS to put in slimserver, or stand up an external box (Soekris 4801, probably) to run slimserver.

What I am looking for, is the same, in one box. The ability to do snapshots is a big plus, as well.

If your device will host external SATA drives, will it support RAID (hard or soft), which RAID levels, and how many external SATA drives.

I will hold out, but only can for another week or so.

Chris

Simon McKay-Mills
2005-06-09, 13:46
Chris,

That ReadyNAS is a sweet looking box. The no UK distributor is the usual
kick in the groin to smart technology! I'm curious as to whether the box
itself is hackable (I'll be having a look at the "embedded OS" with a couple
of friends to see if it can be reversed -
h**p://www.infrant.com/download/RAIDiator-1.00c1-p18 although somehow doubt
it) it would be good to be able to get the slimserver actually running on
the NAS... I'm looking at a "roll your own solution" (read Shuttle case and
micro ITX) as per h**p://www.mashie.org/casemods/ or if I'm feeling lazy,
then the linkstation seems to be popular and is even available over here to
boot!

I assume you're stateside, and am jealous!

Can't hold out for much longer. I've heard talk 'bout aftershave and
sweaters...

Simon

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Subject: [slim] Re: NAS Drive Running Slimserver Solution


Eagerly awaiting the website, as well. Here is what I have been looking
at:

Either the ReadyNAS or Terastation (prefer ReadyNAS) to get about 750 GB of
usefull RAID5 storage (1TB raw). Hotswap drives a plus, but not required. I
was then either going to a) hack the NAS to put in slimserver, or stand up
an external box (Soekris 4801, probably) to run slimserver.

What I am looking for, is the same, in one box. The ability to do snapshots
is a big plus, as well.

If your device will host external SATA drives, will it support RAID (hard or
soft), which RAID levels, and how many external SATA drives.

I will hold out, but only can for another week or so.

Chris


--
corwin

kronos
2005-06-11, 07:21
hey ULTRA, you still around ?

pliz give us some updates even if the website is not ready; we're drooling here...

;)

kronos
2005-06-15, 23:35
still no news ?

=P

John Hernandez
2005-06-17, 13:53
ultra238a wrote:
> How does an external sATA interface grab you?
>
> 400Gb internally - no problem (though it might not be quite a quiet as
> some of the lesser capacities).
>
> The website for this product will go live at the end of next week - we
> are that close.

Any word on this product yet?

kronos
2005-06-21, 15:14
i'm beginning to think this was a prank; didn't hear from ULTRA even on private message...

=/

ultra238a
2005-08-17, 13:16
Don't worry it wasn't a prank.

Sorry about the delay and not being round but I have been busy with this and other projects I am working on.

All being well we should be going into production in September if all goes well.

More as I have it.

Ultra238a

kronos
2005-09-24, 20:46
hey ULTRA, still game ?

what's the update on our cherished project ?

=)

corwin
2005-09-25, 05:02
Not to take any wind from Ultra's sails (no pun intended) - The Infrant 600 NAS server (up to 1.6 TB, hardware RAID) will run slimserver. I needed something sooner than was coming from Ultra, and the Infrant fit the bill.

Chris

hifijames
2005-09-25, 11:44
Will it be terribly difficult for SlimDevices to integrate a HDD in SB2 and make it SB3? Just curious.

PAUL WILLIAMSON
2005-09-25, 12:37
>>> hifijames.1vxh4z (AT) no-mx (DOT) forums.slimdevices.com 09/25/05 2:44 PM >>>
>
> Will it be terribly difficult for SlimDevices to integrate a HDD
> in SB2 and make it SB3? Just curious.

Ugh, I'd hate that. Go get a ReadyNAS and make a new
case. I'd rather see the SB3 have a larger VFD, like 2x
as big as the current one, or have video output, or
something else. Adding a HDD should be a different
product in the Slim Devices cabinet.

Paul

pfarrell
2005-09-25, 12:43
On Sun, 2005-09-25 at 11:44 -0700, hifijames wrote:
> Will it be terribly difficult for SlimDevices to integrate a HDD in SB2
> and make it SB3? Just curious.

Hard? probably not.
Desirable? not to me. First, it wouldn't be "slim" anymore.
and I don't want noisey stuff like disks and computers
in my living room. They go in the basement. Out of sight,
out of mind, out of hearing. All it takes is, a SqueezeBox
and an old crock computer.


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mherger
2005-09-25, 12:53
> Will it be terribly difficult for SlimDevices to integrate a HDD in SB2
> and make it SB3? Just curious.

This would not only need a HD, but a fast processer, RAM, an OS - a PC
inside the SB2. And the OS would have to be supported, too. Not something
I'd expect to become reality.

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corwin
2005-09-25, 23:45
I think that is not the best idea (add an HD to an SB2). The whole idea is that I don't HAVE to have all of the infrastructure (and costs - silent PCs are expensive) of a media PC to stream high-quality audio from SOMEWHERE on the net to my audio system. Given that my server solution has about 1TB of disk spinning (250 GB of audio), I doubt that you could call an SB3 slim.

Stuart Cooper
2005-09-26, 04:55
You've also got the option of the new Nexon NAS 1Tb:
http://www.multitask-computing.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=37
0

It's SATA and can also be purchased as an empty box to populate with your
own hard drives. I have liased with the manufacturer, and they have tested
SlimServer on it and is supported.

Stuart.
www.multitask-computing.co.uk


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Subject: [slim] Re: NAS Drive Running Slimserver Solution


I think that is not the best idea (add an HD to an SB2). The whole idea
is that I don't HAVE to have all of the infrastructure (and costs -
silent PCs are expensive) of a media PC to stream high-quality audio
from SOMEWHERE on the net to my audio system. Given that my server
solution has about 1TB of disk spinning (250 GB of audio), I doubt that
you could call an SB3 slim.


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corwin

ultra238a
2005-09-26, 05:28
Ok here are the final specifications of the product:

266Mhz PPC CPU
64Mb RAM
sATA internal drive interface
esATA external drive interface
USB2.0 front port with copy button
2x USB2.0 rear ports
10/100/1000 Ethernet Interface
Optional internal WiFi 802.11b/g Interface
Fanless - ultra quiet
Full Debian Linux installtion
160Gb/300Gb/400Gb versions (500Gb version available as soon as somebody releases a 500Gb sATA drive)

Prices are still to be confirmed.

As soon as we have an available website for you to pre-order from I will publish it on here. We have our final hardware samples and our first shipment of stock will be with us mid-October. Slimdevices will need to have a look at the box as well to give it their stamp of approval though this shouldn't hold things up. I will take some product shots this afternoon and post them on here later - sexy looking box.

Hope you like the sound of this!

Regards

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

Update:
160Gb RRP 229.99 inc VAT (US$350)
300Gb RRP 269.99 inc VAT (US$415)
400Gb RRP 359.99 inc VAT (US$550)

These prices are subject to change.

Dan Sully
2005-09-26, 10:33
* ultra238a shaped the electrons to say...

>64Mb RAM

It needs more RAM. Is this upgradable, or surface mounted?

-D
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They're techno trousers, ex-NASA, fantastic for walkies!

ultra238a
2005-09-26, 10:51
Unf. memory is surface mounted and not upgradable.

I have asked the question to the manufacturer though about upping the memory and if the initial units sell well then we can get the memory upgraded to 256Mb or maybe even 512Mb.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

corwin
2005-09-27, 02:03
Actually, that is a re-badged Infrant ReadyNAS. Same box, different clothes.

ultra238a
2005-09-27, 03:01
Actually, that is a re-badged Infrant ReadyNAS. Same box, different clothes.

I'd just like to point out that this is the one from Multitask, not ours.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

kronos
2005-09-27, 10:14
what's the MoBo model ?

ultra238a
2005-09-28, 04:34
Another new product!

We will have a 4 bay hot swap NAS and running Slimserver by the end of October. The box has the following spec:

800Mhz CPU (x86)
256Mb RAM
Full Linux Debian Install
4x Hot Swap sATA Drive Bays
Upgradable to Hot Swap 2nd PSU
2x 10/100/1000 Ethernet Interfaces

We are probably looking at 949.99 for a 1Tb version.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

earthbased
2005-12-12, 10:46
VERY interesting !

...yes, you might want to consider the KURO BOX as an alternative, but i've been reading about NOISE issues, and i'm totally digging this project for the FANLESS specs...

=)


I run a KuroBox HG with 400GB drive and it is VERY quiet.

earthbased
2005-12-12, 10:56
Another new product!

We will have a 4 bay hot swap NAS and running Slimserver by the end of October. The box has the following spec:

800Mhz CPU (x86)
256Mb RAM
Full Linux Debian Install
4x Hot Swap sATA Drive Bays
Upgradable to Hot Swap 2nd PSU
2x 10/100/1000 Ethernet Interfaces

We are probably looking at 949.99 for a 1Tb version.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd

What is the website for this product? http://www.dcsplc.co.uk times out.

earthbased
2005-12-15, 20:21
Another new product!

We will have a 4 bay hot swap NAS and running Slimserver by the end of October. The box has the following spec:

800Mhz CPU (x86)
256Mb RAM
Full Linux Debian Install
4x Hot Swap sATA Drive Bays
Upgradable to Hot Swap 2nd PSU
2x 10/100/1000 Ethernet Interfaces

We are probably looking at 949.99 for a 1Tb version.

Paul
Progressive Consumer Electronics Ltd


What is your website? Or are these products dead on arrival?

Earthbased